Apple Vision Pro
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It’s no longer on my buy list. My quest 3 is gathering dust. I don’t think there has been a single app or game released in past 2 years of any interest. Development seems dead.
I might go and demo the AVP but its current iteration is not going be enough I don’t think. It’s not clear if there will be a gen 2.
I might go and demo the AVP but its current iteration is not going be enough I don’t think. It’s not clear if there will be a gen 2.
Edited by lizardbrain on Saturday 13th July 10:02
I find I'm using my quest for 1-2 hours every day. So much so that I had to buy the extended battery strap to increase the runtime.
A mixture of watching YouTube on a 100 inch mixed reality screen hanging on the wall, plus Amazon prime in a virtual cinema, etc. You can also watch Apple TV+ on it through the quest browser.
I replaced an xbox with VR games, although you can still play actual xbox games on a 100 inch virtual screen with the quest if you have game pass ultimate and pair a controller.
VR games are interesting, something like red matter 2 is really impressive with the physical interactions to puzzle solving rather than just watching it on a screen. Plus warplanes air corp is a good flying game where you feel you are actually in the plane/helicopter.
A mixture of watching YouTube on a 100 inch mixed reality screen hanging on the wall, plus Amazon prime in a virtual cinema, etc. You can also watch Apple TV+ on it through the quest browser.
I replaced an xbox with VR games, although you can still play actual xbox games on a 100 inch virtual screen with the quest if you have game pass ultimate and pair a controller.
VR games are interesting, something like red matter 2 is really impressive with the physical interactions to puzzle solving rather than just watching it on a screen. Plus warplanes air corp is a good flying game where you feel you are actually in the plane/helicopter.
Edited by Whataguy on Saturday 13th July 16:04
NDA said:
I don't have a PC - MacBook only - is it possible to play VR games without a PC?
I'm a bit out of touch with the latest tech, I know nothing about 'Steam' for example!
Yes, that’s one of the great advantages of the new headsets like Vision Pro and meta quest 3, you can have good quality games without connecting them to a computer. I'm a bit out of touch with the latest tech, I know nothing about 'Steam' for example!
Many don’t require an internet connection, so you can sit anywhere flying a plane/spaceship/etc in VR with just a headset.
(If you want more advanced games you can connect the meta quest 3 to a PC or Mac wirelessly or by a cable)
NDA said:
I don't follow these things closely, so it's old news - but I see Vision Pro is now available in the UK.
DESPITE not using my Quest thing, there's a temptation.
I like apple, and will most likely get a vision SE but there are issues with the pro and glasses wearers.DESPITE not using my Quest thing, there's a temptation.
You need a unique light shield for you and prescription lenses fitted before you can use it.
Whereas the quest you can just put on while wearing glasses as the light shield adjusts to fit different sizes.
Vision Pro is nearer £4k, as the base model doesn't have enough storage unfortunately. With the quest you can just plug a usb memory stick into it to expand the storage for movies/photos/music/etc.
Files are large when you are downloading YouTube videos at 8k/60FPS. They have recently increased the resolution on the app, and travel videos with the new resolution really look great.
mmm-five said:
There's no way I'd wear one of these outside the house/office, so I'm waiting until most of the processing/power comes from the Mac it's connected to (either desktop Mini/Studio or mobile Macbook).
Think the current Vision Pro runs an M2 chip, so not sure plugging into something else will really help. Then the connection potentially becomes a bottleneck. Unless we are talking Macs that cost. 5k+ I suppose. But then they’d be limiting their market even further.
I’ve bought a lot of Apple stuff over the years, but this just doesn’t seem worth the cash and until there is a significant user base the game developers will remain cautious about developing content for it.
thebraketester said:
mmm-five said:
There's no way I'd wear one of these outside the house/office, so I'm waiting until most of the processing/power comes from the Mac it's connected to (either desktop Mini/Studio or mobile Macbook).
I am not sure that will ever be the case. Could be wrong. The mixed reality glasses look just like a pair of sunglasses so can be worn in public easily. One I’ve seen recently has floating screens in your view and you can change the tint level of the sunglasses. With these, if the power fails you still have glass to look through, whereas the full VR headsets you are looking at a screen of a camera feed.
This one was reviewed this week:
https://youtu.be/qEmO-OBjo5Y?si=HujgXTj1716dxmqD
Meta is supposed to be working on a pair as well.
survivalist said:
Think the current Vision Pro runs an M2 chip, so not sure plugging into something else will really help. Then the connection potentially becomes a bottleneck.
Unless we are talking Macs that cost. 5k+ I suppose. But then they’d be limiting their market even further.
I’ve bought a lot of Apple stuff over the years, but this just doesn’t seem worth the cash and until there is a significant user base the game developers will remain cautious about developing content for it.
I just meant that as I already have powerful enough hardware (12 CPU / 30 GPU core Mac Studio M2 Max with 32GB RAM), that I can't envision spending £4k on another computer when I only want the AR/MR goggles.Unless we are talking Macs that cost. 5k+ I suppose. But then they’d be limiting their market even further.
I’ve bought a lot of Apple stuff over the years, but this just doesn’t seem worth the cash and until there is a significant user base the game developers will remain cautious about developing content for it.
Even my Studio Display has the processing power of an iPad (A13 Bionic CPU and 64GB of storage)...but I can't see why it needs it (obviously Apple had lots of spare parts and it was cheaper to cannibalise those for the Studio Display audio/video capabilities than produce something .
https://www.ifixit.com/News/58242/studio-display-t...
lizardbrain said:
It’s no longer on my buy list. My quest 3 is gathering dust. I don’t think there has been a single app or game released in past 2 years of any interest. Development seems dead.
I might go and demo the AVP but its current iteration is not going be enough I don’t think. It’s not clear if there will be a gen 2.
DM me if you fancy selling I might go and demo the AVP but its current iteration is not going be enough I don’t think. It’s not clear if there will be a gen 2.
Edited by lizardbrain on Saturday 13th July 10:02
Whataguy said:
NDA said:
I don't have a PC - MacBook only - is it possible to play VR games without a PC?
I'm a bit out of touch with the latest tech, I know nothing about 'Steam' for example!
Yes, that’s one of the great advantages of the new headsets like Vision Pro and meta quest 3, you can have good quality games without connecting them to a computer. I'm a bit out of touch with the latest tech, I know nothing about 'Steam' for example!
Many don’t require an internet connection, so you can sit anywhere flying a plane/spaceship/etc in VR with just a headset.
(If you want more advanced games you can connect the meta quest 3 to a PC or Mac wirelessly or by a cable)
The Oculus Rift, HTC Vive and so on were the last of the "this is just a big display device that goes on your head, you need a PC to drive it" VR headsets. Quest 1 allowed for self-contained use. Quest 2 doubled the processing capability and increased the resolution.
I use my Quest 2 entirely wirelessly, the latency is low enough over WiFi that I certainly haven't noticed any issues when using it as the display when playing MSFS, for example.
Presumably the Quest3/ACP generation has much more processing power with a corresponding increase in visual fidelity, but Quest 2 certainly has the onboard capability to simulate a rollercoaster and make me feel sick (accurate to real life experience) without a PC to drive it.
Zoon said:
MrBogSmith said:
Got mine today. It does some incredible things.
Such as?We have four so I've been sitting with virtual avatars on FaceTime with my business partners, who are augmented on top of the real world (well, the rendering of it I see). The avatar can be set so they are spatial, which creates 3D version of the person you're face timing and places them in your space.
The blending of the real world (which even allows me to type this reply without issue) with the virtual elements on top is incredible, but it's the immersive aspect which wins it. You can be in the 'real world' one second, then the next all be together on top of a mountain all watching a film on a giant screen together.
It really takes you out of the normal world when used like this. I can imagine using one on something like a flight would be perfect. The spatial audio is really impressive, too.
Even if you're not in the market for one, I'd suggest doing a demo at the store. The 3D recordings they have (which can be recorded on an iPhone 15 or the device itself) remind me of the Minority Report (if my memory serves me right when the protagonist is watching recordings of his family).
Brilliant marketing by Apple. I've not been amazed by something for a long time (the demo at the store).
Is it now essential for work? No, but I think we'll likely do some of the weekly meetings from now on given we're around the country and it's better than Google meetings.
Quite an expensive gadget, but one I am happy I have.
MrBogSmith said:
Quite an expensive gadget, but one I am happy I have.
Please do keep this thread occasionally updated if you can. I, for one, am very interested in whether the 'novelty factor' wears off after a while, as it has done for me with the Quest. It might be the case that AVP is so good in terms of image quality, that it continues to be an experience users keep wanting to repeat.MrBogSmith said:
Zoon said:
MrBogSmith said:
Got mine today. It does some incredible things.
Such as?We have four so I've been sitting with virtual avatars on FaceTime with my business partners, who are augmented on top of the real world (well, the rendering of it I see). The avatar can be set so they are spatial, which creates 3D version of the person you're face timing and places them in your space.
The blending of the real world (which even allows me to type this reply without issue) with the virtual elements on top is incredible, but it's the immersive aspect which wins it. You can be in the 'real world' one second, then the next all be together on top of a mountain all watching a film on a giant screen together.
It really takes you out of the normal world when used like this. I can imagine using one on something like a flight would be perfect. The spatial audio is really impressive, too.
Even if you're not in the market for one, I'd suggest doing a demo at the store. The 3D recordings they have (which can be recorded on an iPhone 15 or the device itself) remind me of the Minority Report (if my memory serves me right when the protagonist is watching recordings of his family).
Brilliant marketing by Apple. I've not been amazed by something for a long time (the demo at the store).
Is it now essential for work? No, but I think we'll likely do some of the weekly meetings from now on given we're around the country and it's better than Google meetings.
Quite an expensive gadget, but one I am happy I have.
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