Let's see your Alfa Romeos!

Let's see your Alfa Romeos!

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P5BNij

9,273 posts

74 months

Thursday 20th May
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Olivers dad said:
Here pics of my ‘78 Alfetta GTV.
Unfortunately I hardly use it as it’s too good and worry about damage.
For purist the I do have original Momo Vega wheels with the car. I just prefer these (No haters please).



|https://thumbsnap.com/vd9zg9Hu[/url]

|https://thumbsnap.com/e5fMbJ3Z[/url]
Only just spotted this - that is gorgeous, makes a nice change to see one that isn't red (not that there's anything wrong with that of course). Would be interested to see some shots of the interior and engine bay.

Use it!! wink

kiseca

9,292 posts

187 months

Thursday 20th May
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P5BNij said:
Olivers dad said:
Here pics of my ‘78 Alfetta GTV.
Unfortunately I hardly use it as it’s too good and worry about damage.
For purist the I do have original Momo Vega wheels with the car. I just prefer these (No haters please).



|https://thumbsnap.com/vd9zg9Hu[/url]

|https://thumbsnap.com/e5fMbJ3Z[/url]
Only just spotted this - that is gorgeous, makes a nice change to see one that isn't red (not that there's anything wrong with that of course). Would be interested to see some shots of the interior and engine bay.

Use it!! wink
I missed out on a white one when I was shopping and eventually got a red one. I have to say, when in good condition, they look fantastic in white.

Olivers dad

33 posts

126 months

Saturday 22nd May
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P5BNij said:
Olivers dad said:
Here pics of my ‘78 Alfetta GTV.
Unfortunately I hardly use it as it’s too good and worry about damage.
For purist the I do have original Momo Vega wheels with the car. I just prefer these (No haters please).



|https://thumbsnap.com/vd9zg9Hu[/url]

|https://thumbsnap.com/e5fMbJ3Z[/url]
Only just spotted this - that is gorgeous, makes a nice change to see one that isn't red (not that there's anything wrong with that of course). Would be interested to see some shots of the interior and engine bay.

Use it!! wink

Olivers dad

33 posts

126 months

Saturday 22nd May
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kiseca said:
P5BNij said:
Olivers dad said:
Here pics of my ‘78 Alfetta GTV.
Unfortunately I hardly use it as it’s too good and worry about damage.
For purist the I do have original Momo Vega wheels with the car. I just prefer these (No haters please).



|https://thumbsnap.com/vd9zg9Hu[/url]

|https://thumbsnap.com/e5fMbJ3Z[/url]
Only just spotted this - that is gorgeous, makes a nice change to see one that isn't red (not that there's anything wrong with that of course). Would be interested to see some shots of the interior and engine bay.

Use it!! wink
I missed out on a white one when I was shopping and eventually got a red one. I have to say, when in good condition, they look fantastic in white.
Thank guys, no engine pics they’re on my dead Mac book.
They are a lovely and underrated car which looks good in any colour. I love it in white but dark blue is my favourite.
I should use it more but currently using my Scimitar GTE and Fulvia Zagato (I’m spoilt).

P5BNij

9,273 posts

74 months

Saturday 22nd May
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One of Giugiaro's underated designs I think, when he'd finished it the in house chaps at Alfa fiddled with the details and Giugiaro didn't want anything to do with it from then on.

kiseca

9,292 posts

187 months

Monday 24th May
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P5BNij said:
One of Giugiaro's underated designs I think, when he'd finished it the in house chaps at Alfa fiddled with the details and Giugiaro didn't want anything to do with it from then on.
Yes indeed, they changed it enough that he didn't want his name on it. I've seen some sketches that are supposedly the design as he had it... I think the final result is better!

AC43

9,175 posts

176 months

Monday 24th May
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Olivers dad said:
kiseca said:
P5BNij said:
Olivers dad said:
Here pics of my ‘78 Alfetta GTV.
Unfortunately I hardly use it as it’s too good and worry about damage.
For purist the I do have original Momo Vega wheels with the car. I just prefer these (No haters please).



|https://thumbsnap.com/vd9zg9Hu[/url]

|https://thumbsnap.com/e5fMbJ3Z[/url]
Only just spotted this - that is gorgeous, makes a nice change to see one that isn't red (not that there's anything wrong with that of course). Would be interested to see some shots of the interior and engine bay.

Use it!! wink
I missed out on a white one when I was shopping and eventually got a red one. I have to say, when in good condition, they look fantastic in white.
Thank guys, no engine pics they’re on my dead Mac book.
They are a lovely and underrated car which looks good in any colour. I love it in white but dark blue is my favourite.
I should use it more but currently using my Scimitar GTE and Fulvia Zagato (I’m spoilt).
Love that. Struggling to remember ever seeing one in white.

My mate's dad had a GT 1.8 in a light green metallic. And a mate had a GTV just like yours in a dark metallic brown which was tasty. I remember test driving a "fast road" one in silver (it was rubbish; he'd ruined it, but that's another story). Another mate had a facelift GTV in red and a mate had a GTV6 in black. So green/brown/silver/red/black are the colours I remember.

Looks great in white!

DrBrule

2,319 posts

99 months

Wednesday 26th May
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Olivers dad said:
Here pics of my ‘78 Alfetta GTV.
Unfortunately I hardly use it as it’s too good and worry about damage.
For purist the I do have original Momo Vega wheels with the car. I just prefer these (No haters please).

|https://thumbsnap.com/e5fMbJ3Z[/url]
I like how Alfa have a modern take on those alloys; you can see them on the newer Giulia's, especially the Velcoce models.




Edited by DrBrule on Thursday 27th May 12:34

P5BNij

9,273 posts

74 months

Wednesday 26th May
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kiseca said:
P5BNij said:
One of Giugiaro's underated designs I think, when he'd finished it the in house chaps at Alfa fiddled with the details and Giugiaro didn't want anything to do with it from then on.
Yes indeed, they changed it enough that he didn't want his name on it. I've seen some sketches that are supposedly the design as he had it... I think the final result is better!
Same here, I think the finished article is spot on. A lot of owners aren't afraid of modifying or customising them either, which I rather like. Original is nice but upgrades, particularly with the ride height can make all the difference.

Not mine sadly, but I saw these two at MITCAR at Rockingham back in 2014.... always liked the way the bonnet slopes right down at the front....





kiseca

9,292 posts

187 months

Wednesday 26th May
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P5BNij said:
kiseca said:
P5BNij said:
One of Giugiaro's underated designs I think, when he'd finished it the in house chaps at Alfa fiddled with the details and Giugiaro didn't want anything to do with it from then on.
Yes indeed, they changed it enough that he didn't want his name on it. I've seen some sketches that are supposedly the design as he had it... I think the final result is better!
Same here, I think the finished article is spot on. A lot of owners aren't afraid of modifying or customising them either, which I rather like. Original is nice but upgrades, particularly with the ride height can make all the difference.

Not mine sadly, but I saw these two at MITCAR at Rockingham back in 2014.... always liked the way the bonnet slopes right down at the front....




The top one looks like a standard 3 litre, even down to the badly fitting bonnet edges (they were all like that), but also the orange stripes on the bumper. They had Campagnolo split rim cross spoke wheels and a lower ride height out of the factory. they also had a different, slightly deeper front airdam to a 2.5. Only available in South Africa. It was an homologation special for local racing designed and produced by the the Alfa Romeo factory near Pretoria and using an engine block that if I recall came from Autodelta.

If I recall, there are two in the UK. I've seen one, which was red, and last time I saw photos of it, it was undergoing a rebuild. Alex Jupe has restored one too, there were photos of it on PH a month or two back in an Auto Italia article, probably on this very thread.

Lots of people made fibreglass replica 3.0 bonnets so that could be a modified car, but the bumper stripes are more of a giveaway I think. And if I recall the original bonnets were fibreglass too so probably hard to tell them apart.


EDIT: Actually it might not have been a different block, it might have just been a different crank, pistons and liners. I can't remember. I know it was popular in SA to drop a 3.0 crank into a 2.5 engine, which gave a longer stroke and made the engine a 2.8.... or it was 3.0 pistons and liners on a 2.5 crank or..... memory failure. All I know for sure is I've driven one and while the 2.5 still felt very sprightly back in 1993, the 2.8 was a lot more responsive and had a lot more poke at any revs.

Edited by kiseca on Wednesday 26th May 15:05

arguti

1,433 posts

154 months

Wednesday 26th May
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This red one in top picture is an original genuine South African 3.0 and belongs to Rich H. it is a well known car.

The bonnet is indeed fibreglass and are not 100% straight even especially at the leading edge. The front bumper is different to the 2.5 and the bonnet bulge is to make room for the 6 individual Dellorto FRPAs under there. No other Busso V6 sounds quite the same. These are very special cars and are generally poo-poohed by the Italians because they weren't made there!.




This is my original South African 3.0 - only mods are upgrade aircon and RSR handling kit - the wheels are technically incorrect (split rim bolts are not flush as per original compomotive rims) but i have the right wheels



This is my modified South African 3.0 which can comfortably keep up with M3s and the like on track. Again a pretty well known and well sorted car....very analogue and very fast with a 156 GTA modified engine under the bonnet with aftermarket ECU, etc etc. Most of the mechanicals were sorted by Dawie de Villiers who was heavily involved in looking after the original Alfa factory race team in the mid 80s when they swept all before them in South Africa. Kevin R has an encyclopaedic knowledge of these cars and sourced the grey one for me a number of years ago.





This is my (even rarer) Alfetta GTV turbodelta - the sweetest drive of them all.





arguti

1,433 posts

154 months

Wednesday 26th May
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kiseca said:
EDIT: Actually it might not have been a different block, it might have just been a different crank, pistons and liners. I can't remember. I know it was popular in SA to drop a 3.0 crank into a 2.5 engine, which gave a longer stroke and made the engine a 2.8.... or it was 3.0 pistons and liners on a 2.5 crank or..... memory failure. All I know for sure is I've driven one and while the 2.5 still felt very sprightly back in 1993, the 2.8 was a lot more responsive and had a lot more poke at any revs.
if you are really bored, I can try dig up the letter from Alfa South Africa specifying the exact differences for the 3.0 - some parts were imported from Autlodelta in Italy, the rest manufactured in South Africa. as i said in previous post, Kevin R either knows or has interviewed most of the people involved in the design and manufacturer of these homologated cars.

The cylinder heads were from the Alfa Sei and are different in that the inlet (carb) manifolds are cast as part of the cylinder head and not separate like the 2.5 fuel injected GTV6.

kiseca

9,292 posts

187 months

Wednesday 26th May
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arguti said:
kiseca said:
EDIT: Actually it might not have been a different block, it might have just been a different crank, pistons and liners. I can't remember. I know it was popular in SA to drop a 3.0 crank into a 2.5 engine, which gave a longer stroke and made the engine a 2.8.... or it was 3.0 pistons and liners on a 2.5 crank or..... memory failure. All I know for sure is I've driven one and while the 2.5 still felt very sprightly back in 1993, the 2.8 was a lot more responsive and had a lot more poke at any revs.
if you are really bored, I can try dig up the letter from Alfa South Africa specifying the exact differences for the 3.0 - some parts were imported from Autlodelta in Italy, the rest manufactured in South Africa. as i said in previous post, Kevin R either knows or has interviewed most of the people involved in the design and manufacturer of these homologated cars.

The cylinder heads were from the Alfa Sei and are different in that the inlet (carb) manifolds are cast as part of the cylinder head and not separate like the 2.5 fuel injected GTV6.
thanks thumbup

I know it's out there somewhere on the internet. My local Alfa guy was Barry, who wasn't as well known as Dawie but he was very knowledgeable, and built quite a few modified cars from his workshop in Benoni. He made the 2.8 that I drove, dropped a Busso in a 159i (Alfetta Gold Cloverleaf in UK I think) and built quite a few Nord turbos. I know somewhere on an internet forum either he or some guy called Willie, who was with ARSA when the 3.0 was developed, added a long history of that car. I've read it, I just can't remember the details anymore hehe So don't worry about digging it up, I can refind it on the internet next time I need a good injection of nostalgia. I know it's out there.

Actually I think Barry also had a grey 3.0 at some point. I assumed it was repainted that colour because when I was in SA and the cars were current, I only ever saw red or white ones... and maybe one black one but I'm not sure if I dreamed that one! I never even knew they'd ever made them in grey.

I love those cars. I test drove a red 3.0 once but walked away because the engine felt hesitant. Could have been just those six Dellortos needed balancing but you never know. They had a reputation for needing an experienced hand to tune them properly. And the car preferred left hand corners to right hand ones. So I walked away. It looked absolutely lovely and was cheap, but was mechanicals from a crashed car transferred to a completely new shell. explains why it looks so good but also added to my reservations about what condition that example was under the skin.

Also thanks for correcting me on the wheels. I thought they were Campagnolo.

And that's an absolutely lovely collection you have! The Turbodelta included. I can never decide whether I prefer that original clean shape the most, or the fully Mad Max'd 3.0. Both very different characters from what is almost exactly the same body.


Edited by kiseca on Wednesday 26th May 16:17


Edited by kiseca on Wednesday 26th May 16:21

P5BNij

9,273 posts

74 months

Wednesday 26th May
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arguti said:
This is my (even rarer) Alfetta GTV turbodelta - the sweetest drive of them all.




I love the look of that - I'd be happy with one that looked just like it. I'm looking at various Masers at the moment but last year found myself drawn to a very tidy looking red South African built Alfetta with a few period extras, alas it sold pretty quickly so I moved on. The latest issue of Auto-Italia mag (#304 / June) has a ten car Alfetta shoot out wink

Another modified one from the archives....


DRFC1879

1,422 posts

125 months

Wednesday 26th May
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DrBrule said:
Olivers dad said:
Here pics of my ‘78 Alfetta GTV.
Unfortunately I hardly use it as it’s too good and worry about damage.
For purist the I do have original Momo Vega wheels with the car. I just prefer these (No haters please).

|https://thumbsnap.com/e5fMbJ3Z[/url]
I like how Alfa have a modern take on those alloys; you can see them on the newer Giulia's, especially the Velcoce models.
Seeing as you mention it, these ones. I had my Giulia detailed a couple of weeks ago so may as well share a snap. Eighteen months into ownership I'm still 100% in love with it. I normally get bored of cars really quickly but not this one.


EDIT: Dunno what it's like for anyone else but the picture quality has really degraded when I uploaded it.

Killer2005

18,120 posts

196 months

Wednesday 26th May
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WonkeyDonkey said:


Not the best picture of them both as the Mito is now gone.

Would love to have a classic Alfa or a Giulia but budget constraints limit me to the almost bottom of the market!

Still don't know where the unreliable clichés come from. We had a 147 jtd on 127k miles, the Mito was on 125k miles when we sold it and the Giulietta is currently on 107k miles. All be faultless (touch wood).

Yes, my other half does have a thing for yellow cars!
Need to see more of the Giulietta. Have never seen a yellow one.

velocemitch

3,274 posts

188 months

Wednesday 26th May
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DRFC1879 said:
DrBrule said:
Olivers dad said:
Here pics of my ‘78 Alfetta GTV.
Unfortunately I hardly use it as it’s too good and worry about damage.
For purist the I do have original Momo Vega wheels with the car. I just prefer these (No haters please).

|https://thumbsnap.com/e5fMbJ3Z[/url]
I like how Alfa have a modern take on those alloys; you can see them on the newer Giulia's, especially the Velcoce models.
Seeing as you mention it, these ones. I had my Giulia detailed a couple of weeks ago so may as well share a snap. Eighteen months into ownership I'm still 100% in love with it. I normally get bored of cars really quickly but not this one.


EDIT: Dunno what it's like for anyone else but the picture quality has really degraded when I uploaded it.
Thumbsnap is low resolution to keep it small. To get a proper resolution you need to upload it to a hosting site like Flickr. Then get a link to post it here. A bit of rigmarole, but if you pay a visit to the Photography section and have a look at the random photos thread, you will see how much better the images are.

coetzeeh

2,343 posts

204 months

Wednesday 26th May
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Humble 105 saloon but much loved.

arguti

1,433 posts

154 months

Thursday 27th May
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coetzeeh said:
Humble 105 saloon but much loved.
Beautiful car Meneer Coetzee!

DrBrule

2,319 posts

99 months

Thursday 27th May
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The Veloce which replaced an identically coloured Quadrifoglio...