Advice sought on clutchless up-changes

[huge_ego]

Hi everyone,

OK, who does clutchless up-changes?

So far, I've found my bike only pops into the higher gear at 5,000 revs. Is this right? Does a bike only have a spot in the rev range where the higher gear will engage without the clutch?

Also, I've found that I have to relax the throttle slightly for the new gear to engage smoothly. (Otherwise, the gear change is far from smooth.) Is this normal?

Any advice on getting this right would be much appreciated!

[pesty]

clutchless gear change is easy.

1)acelerate
2)put foot under gear lever and aply small presure(barely have to touch mine but all bikes diferent)
3)back off throttle for a split(again bikes will vary) second then acelerate again in the new gear.

Bike should have slipped into the higher gear when you backed off.

on my bike its asif it changes gear all by itself love suzuki gear boxes

[BliarOut]

I often do them subconsiously on the Hornet. Foot under the leaver, think about it, prepare to back off the throttle... Well feck me, it's done it

[pesty]

huge_ego said:

Hi everyone, Also, I've found that I have to relax the throttle slightly for the new gear to engage smoothly. (Otherwise, the gear change is far from smooth.) Is this normal? !

just noticed this. Yes you have to back off the throttle and with a small presure under the lever it should then drop into gear all by itself. you may have to apply more presure than I do but you should not have to force it.

But always back off the revs

[Steve_T]

I tend to use the clutch in the lower gears, with clutchless changes for 4th and up. Try with the higher gears to start with and don't rush it, let the bike sort itself out.

Steve.

[d3ano]

does this not knacker the gearbox in the long term?
Why do you want to change gear without the cluth (i can understand if its a duke)?

[BliarOut]

My up changes are smoother without the clutch. Some of the modern bike gearboxes are so well designed the dogs will engage just by unloading the power.

I would say if your up changes are smooth without the clutch then you aren't going to wear anything. If the change feels harsh, don't do it.

[rsvmille]

The principle is that if you don't use the clutch you don't unload and then load the crank therefore reducing wear on the drive system. Making your bike last longer.

use the clutch round town but when your getting a move on the comments earlier are spot on.

1st to 2nd can be a bit stiff but from then on you should be fine.

Why would you change up at 5000rpm? get on the gas!

[bennyboysvuk]

I thought everyone who was "making progress" shall we say, changed up without the clutch. Around town, when the revs are lower it's better to use the clutch but otherwise, nip up that gearbox.

This'll have to do since there's no toe-up on the gearlever type smilie.

[beanbag]

Clutchless up-shifts are brilliant if you need a quick bit of acceleration but I've found they are next to impossible to do with my V-twin. It is after all a Buell (Harley engine), but has anyone had the same problem.

My last bike was a Bandit 6 and upshifts melted from one to the other like butter.

[andy4200]

I found I was doing them on a Bandit 600, without even realising, while I was learning. They seemed so easy once I figured out what I was doing.

[BU5T4]

Well guy I just decided I would give that clutchless gear change thingy last night and today. What a doddle. I never relised it would be so easy.

Made a mess a couple of times when i tried to change upto 2nd and it slipped into neutral Doh!!!

Also I was in 3rd gear going up to 4th when it seemed to slip into neutral...is this even possible?

D-A

[Pigeon]

False neutral. Some boxes are worse than others for this.

[bennyboysvuk]

BU5T4 said:

Also I was in 3rd gear going up to 4th when it seemed to slip into neutral...is this even possible?

This sometimes occurs, however it's usually because of the way you changed gear. If you're really positive with the lever and using fairly high revs false neutrals should become pretty rare.

[Mad Dave]

I started doing this last night. Its making my life far easier as my clutch is a bit dodgy just now - the cable is so cacked up (new one on order) its not disengaging properly.

Anyway, clutchless up- changes are very handy. Made my changes much smoother, which my mate was glad of last night when I took him out for a spin. My first time taking passengers on the road actually, was actually quite good fun

[B19 JAE]

I tried em wen toring France n spain las year woz doin great then stuffed up on 5th gear sumhow n lost bottle !!!
It is sumthing I started doing again but its becomming subconshus now jus douch it n in she goes yep good old Busa's dont ya jus love em!!!

It meks for a smoother change when you got passanges 2

[Mad Dave]

Mate, please learn to spell - this is a Forum, not a Text Message.