Stolen 1M CCTV footage
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GC8 said:
You are presuming that a dealer needs to programme a replacement key in the same way. Id expect them to be able to supply a new key from the vehicles VIN.
The still need to 'pair' the key and lock system, despite having the VIN, in my case anyway. They'll also charge for half an hours labour as well - which is odd considering it'd take a thief 3 minutes max...
redtwin said:
I keep saying it in the hopes someone will listen. A £2 switch wired into the fuel pump or ignition loom and no OBD key programmer will start the car. Sure they could probably take the time to search for the switch, but that sort tend to not like lingering more than a few minutes assuming they even have a clue what they are looking for.
Another tactic would be disabling the OBD port. It is only used for diagnostics and servicing so no need to have it enabled on a daily basis. Crim sticks his programmer in, gets no joy with new key, gives up and goes away.
Any competent auto electrician could carry out either or both of those measures, though it is well within the realm of anyone who can cut and crimp wires.
It is a known problem, why sit back and hope someone else does something to fix the problem before it strikes you?.
simple trick from the days of rs turbo, cosworth, and astra gte. Switch in the boot for fuel pump or as a friend did up under the dash. If you have the money for motors like this a personalised immobiliser is pennies.Another tactic would be disabling the OBD port. It is only used for diagnostics and servicing so no need to have it enabled on a daily basis. Crim sticks his programmer in, gets no joy with new key, gives up and goes away.
Any competent auto electrician could carry out either or both of those measures, though it is well within the realm of anyone who can cut and crimp wires.
It is a known problem, why sit back and hope someone else does something to fix the problem before it strikes you?.
Olf said:
Can someone answer this please? I'm confused...
There is a 'void' in the alarm. Almost like an area that isn't covered by it. This runs along the door from top to bottom and front to back and extends into the car by 4 inches (just enough to get your hand in and down to the OBD port) BMW won't admit it. And if you haven't seen how easy it is to reprogram a key.Here's a nice foreign chap teaching us all how to do it. The device costs a few thousand Euros, and is available on the internet. Not a bad investment for a £43k car.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N70Z9Z5hY8A
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N70Z9Z5hY8A
You really want to live in a country cutting off bodyparts or worse - death - for stealing a car?
Trouble is how do you differ professional car thieves from your son in uni who was pissed when he and a few mates drove off in an unlocked old mondeo?
Crime is the same - now he has lost his hand.
If you want to judge a society look at its prisons...
Trouble is how do you differ professional car thieves from your son in uni who was pissed when he and a few mates drove off in an unlocked old mondeo?
Crime is the same - now he has lost his hand.
If you want to judge a society look at its prisons...
Alnassma said:
You really want to live in a country cutting off bodyparts or worse - death - for stealing a car?
Trouble is how do you differ professional car thieves from your son in uni who was pissed when he and a few mates drove off in an unlocked old mondeo?
Crime is the same - now he has lost his hand.
If you want to judge a society look at its prisons...
I don't care how pissed I was, if I thought somebody was going to cut my hand off I wouldn't steal it...Trouble is how do you differ professional car thieves from your son in uni who was pissed when he and a few mates drove off in an unlocked old mondeo?
Crime is the same - now he has lost his hand.
If you want to judge a society look at its prisons...
Biggest problem here is the lack of appropriate punishment. Many times I've seen "Oik's" arrested on the police
docu's where they're well known to the arresting officers for similar crimes. To me this says one thing... The punishments are not severe enough...
In certain african countries the punishment for robbery and murder are very similar - guess how that pans out for the unlucky tourist sods who find themselves on the wrong end of a gun or knife...
Dead victims cant point you out as the robber..
There are often unintended consequences...
Dead victims cant point you out as the robber..
There are often unintended consequences...
mrloudly said:
I don't care how pissed I was, if I thought somebody was going to cut my hand off I wouldn't steal it...
Biggest problem here is the lack of appropriate punishment. Many times I've seen "Oik's" arrested on the police
docu's where they're well known to the arresting officers for similar crimes. To me this says one thing... The punishments are not severe enough...
So what is the appropriate punishment in this case?Biggest problem here is the lack of appropriate punishment. Many times I've seen "Oik's" arrested on the police
docu's where they're well known to the arresting officers for similar crimes. To me this says one thing... The punishments are not severe enough...
Afraid to say I would be in favour of more harsh punishment for people who perpetrate this kind of crime. The current legal system doesn't appear to be any kind of deterrent for them, so maybe it's time there was something that did put them off?
I can say without doubt that until this is resolved, it'd put me off owning any kind of modern BMW!
I can say without doubt that until this is resolved, it'd put me off owning any kind of modern BMW!
BFG TERRANO said:
redtwin said:
I keep saying it in the hopes someone will listen. A £2 switch wired into the fuel pump or ignition loom and no OBD key programmer will start the car. Sure they could probably take the time to search for the switch, but that sort tend to not like lingering more than a few minutes assuming they even have a clue what they are looking for.
Another tactic would be disabling the OBD port. It is only used for diagnostics and servicing so no need to have it enabled on a daily basis. Crim sticks his programmer in, gets no joy with new key, gives up and goes away.
Any competent auto electrician could carry out either or both of those measures, though it is well within the realm of anyone who can cut and crimp wires.
It is a known problem, why sit back and hope someone else does something to fix the problem before it strikes you?.
simple trick from the days of rs turbo, cosworth, and astra gte. Switch in the boot for fuel pump or as a friend did up under the dash. If you have the money for motors like this a personalised immobiliser is pennies.Another tactic would be disabling the OBD port. It is only used for diagnostics and servicing so no need to have it enabled on a daily basis. Crim sticks his programmer in, gets no joy with new key, gives up and goes away.
Any competent auto electrician could carry out either or both of those measures, though it is well within the realm of anyone who can cut and crimp wires.
It is a known problem, why sit back and hope someone else does something to fix the problem before it strikes you?.
Unless they pushed it around the corner then tried to start it, but if they've gone that far surely they wouldn't abandon it?
Stuart said:
Absolutely, we're on it. This only went up yesterday, so Riggers is on the case this morning. A call will be going into BMW shortly, if it hasn't already.
Stuart, the other thread was up for ages. And prominently on the top of it as well. I am cynical - do you blame me - if BMW think this is a serious problem, they will be leaning on every single outlet they can to NOT run stories about this - and a finance department will be extremely keen not to lose all that advertising wedge from BMW and MINI as much as the roadtest team will be to lose new BMWs to roadtest.... (or at least find it more difficult to get what you want to test...).Call it tin hat, but it's how people do it - minimise publicity by calling in favours/leaning on people...... I presume your response means that PH/Haymarket is not currently being leant on as far as you are aware..... which is good and hopefully means that you will be prepared to put something together that ISN'T just some rubbish corporate doublespeak that is as inept as us owners received from BMW Customer Services (which has actually made things worse as we now feel like they don't give two shtis)
Edited by tonker on Monday 2nd July 10:49
The Crack Fox said:
Stuart said:
Absolutely, we're on it. This only went up yesterday, so Riggers is on the case this morning. A call will be going into BMW shortly, if it hasn't already.
As petrolheads, you'll have been aware of this for Months, like the rest of us have. Do the right thing and publish a decent story on it, some publicity should shame BMW into action, there are plenty of BMW owning PHers fretting over this I imagine. Go on, be brave, we're all behind you
My worry is that it's affecting more than just BMWs. Mercs and various other cars have this system of not having a physical key as such, relying on a software token method. As such, I can't believe they won't have a similar issue
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