Statistics I just found
Discussion
sodslaw said:
Never understand why people take go-cart tests.
They should man up (or should I say woman up) and do it with a manual
Yes, all those old/frail people or people with disabilities should be made to use a manual car They should man up (or should I say woman up) and do it with a manual
.....though I have little sympathy for the daft bints who learn to drive for the sake of it, and prove to be hopelessly incompetent on the road whilst checking their hair in the mirror, or needing a tank-sized space to park a supermini, and therefore only have the intellectual capacity to handle a stop and go type car.
I can however see a benefit for someone who might perhaps prefer to gain complete confidence or actually driving, reading the road, traffic situations etc to prove they can drive, then once they have the experience at roadcraft will come back to learing to drive a manual being more relaxed at the wheel and able to devote more attention to gears and clutch.
mat777 said:
Yes, all those old/frail people or people with disabilities should be made to use a manual car
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How very interesting.....
- I never knew that so many people started learning to drive when they were old and frail.
- I must look really stupid now because most people who have begun using automatics due to health reasons weren't born that way.
There is only a very small percentage of people who take their test when they are old and frail or drive with disability they were born with. (I'm sure you know loads of people born with 1 arm/1 foot)
http://assets.dft.gov.uk/foi/dsa-ia0031112/dsa-ia0...
Edited by sodslaw on Wednesday 26th September 02:28
mat777 said:
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.....though I have little sympathy for the daft bints who learn to drive for the sake of it, and prove to be hopelessly incompetent on the road whilst checking their hair in the mirror, or needing a tank-sized space to park a supermini, and therefore only have the intellectual capacity to handle a stop and go type car.
I can however see a benefit for someone who might perhaps prefer to gain complete confidence or actually driving, reading the road, traffic situations etc to prove they can drive, then once they have the experience at roadcraft will come back to learing to drive a manual being more relaxed at the wheel and able to devote more attention to gears and clutch.
A family friend who (eventually) passed her test on the umpteenth attempt over a year ago still drives with her eyes on stalks and white-knuckling the steering wheel, as she desperately tries to see her headlights, turn a corner and look as attractive and non-chalant as possible. She fails miserably at all of them......though I have little sympathy for the daft bints who learn to drive for the sake of it, and prove to be hopelessly incompetent on the road whilst checking their hair in the mirror, or needing a tank-sized space to park a supermini, and therefore only have the intellectual capacity to handle a stop and go type car.
I can however see a benefit for someone who might perhaps prefer to gain complete confidence or actually driving, reading the road, traffic situations etc to prove they can drive, then once they have the experience at roadcraft will come back to learing to drive a manual being more relaxed at the wheel and able to devote more attention to gears and clutch.
If only she spent more effort perfecting her driving rather than her make-up, she might just pass as a competent driver.
Relaxed behind the wheel. she is not.
Dave Hedgehog said:
R300will said:
Dave Hedgehog said:
with modern duel clutch systems being so good i probably wouldn't bother with a manual exam now
But then you wouldn't be able to drive an MX-5 and therefore will have to leave PH for good 
Boydie88 said:
How is the auto pass rate so much lower?
I think the assumption is that people who are more incompetent take the auto test so they can focus on the road. That's what several dozy-brained blondes from college did while I was learning at least.Course, it could be that the auto test is slightly harder to fail on minor points (for example, letting the car creep at junctions?)
Dave Hedgehog said:
with modern duel clutch systems being so good i probably wouldn't bother with a manual exam now
I suspect this is increasingly going to be the case. I don't like autos of any kind much, personally, but they're getting so good these days that there is little logical reason (bar price, which will shift with economies of scale) to choose a manual.
Krikkit said:
I think the assumption is that people who are more incompetent take the auto test so they can focus on the road. That's what several dozy-brained blondes from college did while I was learning at least.
That's exactly what I'm suggesting.I'm also suggesting that there are far more awful women drivers than awful men drivers. The interesting thing about that is that you would expect the driving skills to follow a normal distribution and for men to have higher standard deviation. This means that there will be far more excellent male drivers than excellent female drivers.
Krikkit said:
I think the assumption is that people who are more incompetent take the auto test so they can focus on the road. That's what several dozy-brained blondes from college did while I was learning at least.
Course, it could be that the auto test is slightly harder to fail on minor points (for example, letting the car creep at junctions?)
My dad got me to learn the basics of getting a car around corners, using indicators, lane discipline, etc. using an auto before letting me loose in the manual. That way observation and the like came more naturally to me while I was coming to terms with clutch control and changing gears.Course, it could be that the auto test is slightly harder to fail on minor points (for example, letting the car creep at junctions?)
Good way to learn IME. Only passed using a manual though.
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