C63 Tuning Group Buy

C63 Tuning Group Buy

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ecain63

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9,984 posts

125 months

Friday 26th July 2013
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Ive spoken to Phil at Rebellion and he's agreed to do a group buy deal on C63 mapping. Standard price is £699 but he has agreed to £550 a head if we get a handful of names. If you want facts and figures I can find out but from memory I think 515bhp isnt unusual with their tune, bringing it up to almost DR520 figures with better drivability. Not sure when the tuning session will be done but we can work that out as we go. Add names below if youre keen.

1. ecain63 - 2010 PP+
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rubystone

11,252 posts

209 months

Sunday 28th July 2013
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Where are Rebellion based and does the tune cover all 6.3 engines? Also, does this remove the limiter too?

Thanks

ecain63

Original Poster:

9,984 posts

125 months

Sunday 28th July 2013
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Id imagine they can cater for all models. They are based in Waterlooville but I think he is also mobile.

PhantomAMG

997 posts

155 months

Sunday 28th July 2013
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Yes covers all 63 NA engines...

911C2S

363 posts

190 months

Sunday 28th July 2013
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What can they do to non pp cars?

PhantomAMG

997 posts

155 months

Sunday 28th July 2013
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Approx 60bhp gains, limiter removal, gearbox sharpened :-)

2 5HAN

690 posts

181 months

Sunday 28th July 2013
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Sorry Eddie is this for a straight map or one of their Eurobox Maps that you can upload and remove yourself?

Twincharge

221 posts

128 months

Monday 29th July 2013
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I have to admit that's a great price for a remap.

Will it affect warranty though?

ecain63

Original Poster:

9,984 posts

125 months

Monday 29th July 2013
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Twincharge said:
I have to admit that's a great price for a remap.

Will it affect warranty though?
If you tell them, yes.

ecain63

Original Poster:

9,984 posts

125 months

Monday 29th July 2013
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2 5HAN said:
Sorry Eddie is this for a straight map or one of their Eurobox Maps that you can upload and remove yourself?
Erm! Best wait for for Phil to answer that.

911C2S

363 posts

190 months

Monday 29th July 2013
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I've seen their crazy C63 on Facebook (although it does have the worst spoiler/wing you have ever seen). I find it hard to understand how 520bhp is done with just a tune on a NA engine? Do they rolling road you before and after? Just seems a lot of bhp for just a remap.

ghibbett

1,682 posts

135 months

Monday 29th July 2013
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C63s use the same engine as those in the earlier generation E63 and CLS63 whose power output was rated at 525bhp. The C63 does have a more restrictive exhaust, to the tune of around a 20bhp restriction, however it's still very much a 500bhp engine. This is then restricted through the throttle opening - push the throttle to the floor and the fly-by-wire throttle will not fully open at the throttle butterfly. At least that's what I've heard / read / understood.

The reality? I have a Eurocharged remap on my C63. My car was dyno'd, then had the 'map loaded, then dyno'd again, all in the space of 20 minutes. As standard my car was producing 455bhp and after the remap it showed as 507bhp. 57bhp gain at the flywheel there and then.

Could it be felt on the road? Yes absolutely, but only above 5000rpm. This is backed up by the dyno trace leading me to suggest that the artifical throttle restriction is only >5000rpm on standard cars.

Twincharge

221 posts

128 months

Monday 29th July 2013
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ecain63 said:
If you tell them, yes.
Erm...my lips are sealed.

PhantomAMG

997 posts

155 months

Monday 29th July 2013
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Ghibbet has pretty much hit the nail on the head with why these cars are so responsive to tuning alone.

Regarding Dyno figures the fluctuation and variation between days, temps, operators, and dyno manufacturers can vary results wildly. Actual gains and driver feeling are much more important than final figures, and the average gain is approx 60bhp in the C63 case..

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Edited by Big Al. on Tuesday 30th July 00:05

ecain63

Original Poster:

9,984 posts

125 months

Wednesday 31st July 2013
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Ok guys. Any more names for the list or am I taking all the power for myself?

Twincharge

221 posts

128 months

Wednesday 31st July 2013
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I may be but don't take delivery of my car until Oct.

HammyHamster

269 posts

122 months

Thursday 1st August 2013
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Genuine question - is it worth doing this on a PP+ car? If Mercedes is being conservative with the power numbers from the factory (most seem to dyno at 495 - 507), are you going to notice a bump to 515bhp?

However, if you combine a tune with headers & high flow primary cats, I understand you can get to 560-ish which could be interesting...

Zanderman

998 posts

162 months

Thursday 1st August 2013
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Be interesting to see how the traction of the car responds to an extra 60 bhp. It can already be a bit of a handful in anything other than dry roads!

Also with the warranty can MB not tell if it has been 'tampered' with?

MattySA

25 posts

79 months

Thursday 1st August 2013
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Hi Guys,

Here is a few Dyno Print outs for some of the Rebellion work.

First is the Rebellion Automotive RA550



Second is the RA550 vs a C63 PPP



Enjoy smile


PhantomAMG

997 posts

155 months

Thursday 1st August 2013
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On a pp car you will also notice the 20ftlbs of torque across 95% of the RPM range aswell as gearbox sharpening..