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Maybe a stupid place to ask but;
I've been a offered a swap deal, my 2014 GT3 for a 2011 458, I've barely got to know my GT3 but I've always wanted a 458 but got fed up of waiting for them to fall to 100k...
I never intend to sell my old Porsche's & Alfasuds but my 'special' car is a toy & only comes out on high days & holidays...
Would I be nuts to do it???
I've been a offered a swap deal, my 2014 GT3 for a 2011 458, I've barely got to know my GT3 but I've always wanted a 458 but got fed up of waiting for them to fall to 100k...
I never intend to sell my old Porsche's & Alfasuds but my 'special' car is a toy & only comes out on high days & holidays...
Would I be nuts to do it???
Maybe not as 'up there' with some people's experiences but I was lucky enough to have 2 laps of the 'Ring' as a passenger in a 458 and I was blown away by the performance, handling and composure and the driver didn't hang around.
The cabin is also a nice place to sit,
If I had the finances and was offered a deal against my 997tt I wouldn't think twice
Good luck with your choice
The cabin is also a nice place to sit,
If I had the finances and was offered a deal against my 997tt I wouldn't think twice
Good luck with your choice
I ran a 2011 Italia over 1500 miles last summer prior to placing a 'convincing' order for a 991 GT3 in August which arrived 3 weeks ago. My perception is that the F is the only really viable alternative to the GT3 for the type of A and B road driving that interests me......I don t do track btw.
Both awesome road cars but totally different characters although performance in the 'restricted' real A and B road world very similar. Despite lift on the GT3, I find ground clearance (front and overall) is more restricted than the F, so trips to the Lakes, lanes and passes can be more problematic although the greater width of the F can be too much for some lanes and house garages. Notwithstanding this, the P is the more 'practical' of the two, has the greater luggage capacity and attracts less attention from 'mentalists' both when parked up and being driven.
The F perhaps has the more characterful engine (especially on tickover), is slightly more free revving to that magical 9k limit on both, steering setup, gearbox and brakes all very similar although the grip and turn in onthe GT3 is arguably quite a bit better as confirmed by recent quality motoring journalists.
If the P has some decent interior options (leather, carbon etc), it provides a similar sense of occasion to sit in as the F......very subjective I suppose.
In terms of value for money, you are getting a four year old F for essentially a new GT3 and for this reasoning alone I would keep the P bearing in mind how close they are in other respects. The other aspect to consider for me would be residuals......free motoring for some time plus future profit on the P whereas the 458 will undoubtedly be hit quite hard by the new model next year. If you have to sell the 458 in the short term, prepare for a kicking from trade bids unless you can move it on privately........although over the next five years this last F na screamer should do quite well despite the cab and Speciale......
Both awesome road cars but totally different characters although performance in the 'restricted' real A and B road world very similar. Despite lift on the GT3, I find ground clearance (front and overall) is more restricted than the F, so trips to the Lakes, lanes and passes can be more problematic although the greater width of the F can be too much for some lanes and house garages. Notwithstanding this, the P is the more 'practical' of the two, has the greater luggage capacity and attracts less attention from 'mentalists' both when parked up and being driven.
The F perhaps has the more characterful engine (especially on tickover), is slightly more free revving to that magical 9k limit on both, steering setup, gearbox and brakes all very similar although the grip and turn in onthe GT3 is arguably quite a bit better as confirmed by recent quality motoring journalists.
If the P has some decent interior options (leather, carbon etc), it provides a similar sense of occasion to sit in as the F......very subjective I suppose.
In terms of value for money, you are getting a four year old F for essentially a new GT3 and for this reasoning alone I would keep the P bearing in mind how close they are in other respects. The other aspect to consider for me would be residuals......free motoring for some time plus future profit on the P whereas the 458 will undoubtedly be hit quite hard by the new model next year. If you have to sell the 458 in the short term, prepare for a kicking from trade bids unless you can move it on privately........although over the next five years this last F na screamer should do quite well despite the cab and Speciale......
Ferdi. Not quite the same but I was in the same position a month ago with a 3.8RS and a mint low mileage high spec 458.
Here was my post on PH. It got some great balanced views which I really appreciated so I hope you find it helpful too:
http://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?h=0&a...
In the end I pulled the trigger and absolutely love the 458 so far. I delibrated very hard though because with the 3.8RS I'd be leaving behind one of the great, never to be made again, analogue, racing heritage cars. If I had been in a 991 GT3 I wouldn't have hesitated as, for me, there is far more in common between the 991 and 458 than the 997 and 458 with, in my personal view, using my criteria, the 458 being the far better choice.
They are both epic cars so you don't be disappointed whatever you end up doing.
Here was my post on PH. It got some great balanced views which I really appreciated so I hope you find it helpful too:
http://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?h=0&a...
In the end I pulled the trigger and absolutely love the 458 so far. I delibrated very hard though because with the 3.8RS I'd be leaving behind one of the great, never to be made again, analogue, racing heritage cars. If I had been in a 991 GT3 I wouldn't have hesitated as, for me, there is far more in common between the 991 and 458 than the 997 and 458 with, in my personal view, using my criteria, the 458 being the far better choice.
They are both epic cars so you don't be disappointed whatever you end up doing.
Edited by Skittles001 on Friday 14th November 07:59
I drove a 458 along with a Daytona and a 512BB for some filming last year. It was wet and the producer wanted the traction on the 458 turned off for a level playing field comparison between all cars. It took about 20 minutes and a phone call to the dealership to get the traction turned off and then the car was horrible to drive. An absolute handful. Its a car with a fantastic engine, quite a good gearbox but the limiting factor is the chassis. Understandibly, it cannot deploy that amount of power in low grip situations on road tyres. what was more worrying is that, there was poor chassis balance with the driving aids off. This is a car that designed to function properly with the aids on. The Daytona and - especially the 512 were lovely by comparison
If you like a car to fully communicate with you, the GT3 will be for you. If you value the kick of power more and a constant feeling of security, you will prefer the 458
If you like a car to fully communicate with you, the GT3 will be for you. If you value the kick of power more and a constant feeling of security, you will prefer the 458
As other posters have said, if you want the 458 in your heart of hearts, go for it.
Personally I think the GT3 is more than a match for the Speciale, certainly for road driving, never mind a standard 458. I had a Speciale for a weekend when I had my order in for one and had the chance to compare it to my GT3. The Ferrari is more of an event, it is more extrovert, but it rolls and understeers a little more. Getting into the Porsche, it is all about the driving and feels scalpel sharp in comparison. I preferred the gearbox which is fantastic, and the brakes.
Good luck in your deliberations, nice choice to make!
Personally I think the GT3 is more than a match for the Speciale, certainly for road driving, never mind a standard 458. I had a Speciale for a weekend when I had my order in for one and had the chance to compare it to my GT3. The Ferrari is more of an event, it is more extrovert, but it rolls and understeers a little more. Getting into the Porsche, it is all about the driving and feels scalpel sharp in comparison. I preferred the gearbox which is fantastic, and the brakes.
Good luck in your deliberations, nice choice to make!
ferdi p said:
Maybe a stupid place to ask but;
I've been a offered a swap deal, my 2014 GT3 for a 2011 458, I've barely got to know my GT3 but I've always wanted a 458 but got fed up of waiting for them to fall to 100k...
I never intend to sell my old Porsche's & Alfasuds but my 'special' car is a toy & only comes out on high days & holidays...
Would I be nuts to do it???
I'd live with the GT3 for at least a year and have the experience of that car. Youd be mad not to ... its all about experiences. Buying a car is a right old hassle and takes time and effort; now you're already in a 991 don't waste the vantage point.I've been a offered a swap deal, my 2014 GT3 for a 2011 458, I've barely got to know my GT3 but I've always wanted a 458 but got fed up of waiting for them to fall to 100k...
I never intend to sell my old Porsche's & Alfasuds but my 'special' car is a toy & only comes out on high days & holidays...
Would I be nuts to do it???
In late 2015/2016 you can do the 458 thing then, they are only going one way.
Two of the very best cars of this generation so 'do' them both IMO
Steve Rance said:
I drove a 458 along with a Daytona and a 512BB for some filming last year. It was wet and the producer wanted the traction on the 458 turned off for a level playing field comparison between all cars. It took about 20 minutes and a phone call to the dealership to get the traction turned off and then the car was horrible to drive. An absolute handful. Its a car with a fantastic engine, quite a good gearbox but the limiting factor is the chassis. Understandibly, it cannot deploy that amount of power in low grip situations on road tyres. what was more worrying is that, there was poor chassis balance with the driving aids off. This is a car that designed to function properly with the aids on. The Daytona and - especially the 512 were lovely by comparison
If you like a car to fully communicate with you, the GT3 will be for you. If you value the kick of power more and a constant feeling of security, you will prefer the 458
Interesting you reckon the 991 gt3 still communicates fully with the driver especially compared to the 458 as the 991 gt3 seems to depend as much if not more so on it's electronic systems as the Ferrari.If you like a car to fully communicate with you, the GT3 will be for you. If you value the kick of power more and a constant feeling of security, you will prefer the 458
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