Brakes on a Jaguar xf 2019 diesel
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Hi a friend of mine it's being ripped off by his Main dealer... He's brought a Xf 2 years ago with 19000 miles on , the car had brand new brakes at 19000 now after 2 years and the car has 50000miles the main dealer told him he needs new discs and pads again 😂 I've looked at his brakes and they are a bit rusty but like new in terms of wear... Garage told him that it will be around 1000£ for replacing discs and pads ... My work car (seat Toledo 2012 1.6tdi I've been using it as a van since new at 16000 miles/3years seat garage told me the brakes are done and they need replacing asp as they are not safe 🙈 bombarded me with a quote over 1000£ to replace them... So I've took my car to next garage down the road from them to check my brakes, they said they are in perfect condition and it's nothing unsafe about them... My seat is 11 years old now 96000miles with original brake discs on the front , rear discs and pads plus front pads have been replaced at 60000 miles... Every year when I service my car I clean my brakes there for they are in perfect condition after 11 years
I know we live in a throw away society now but this is a joke main dealer replacing pads and discs more often than tires
I know we live in a throw away society now but this is a joke main dealer replacing pads and discs more often than tires
If they brake well, and are thick enough, they are fine. However, deeply pitted ones can cause brake judder. For that reason, I had my rears changed at a BMW main dealer, for just under £500. That’s on a 335d at 47k miles. My fronts were changed in the summer (also pitted but getting close to the limit)
The cause of the pitting was corrosion from salt and not being driven after the first signs of corrosion. Regular use will remove corrosion before pitting causes judder issues.
£1k sounds quite steep to me.
The cause of the pitting was corrosion from salt and not being driven after the first signs of corrosion. Regular use will remove corrosion before pitting causes judder issues.
£1k sounds quite steep to me.
I could believe it.
These were the rear brakes from the dealer on my XF Sportbrake:
About £400 later (If I remember correctly) for some EBC Yellowstuff, MTEC Grooved discs and a lick of red paint all round:
Easy enough job; the EPB Isn't "particular" so you can just release the parking brake and wind it back in as usual.
These were the rear brakes from the dealer on my XF Sportbrake:
About £400 later (If I remember correctly) for some EBC Yellowstuff, MTEC Grooved discs and a lick of red paint all round:
Easy enough job; the EPB Isn't "particular" so you can just release the parking brake and wind it back in as usual.
It just seems to be a thing with garages and main dealers, they are more interested in changing pads and discs than anything else.
Probably because its the most profit for the easiest job and even the apprentice can do it.
I also hate that they want to change brake fluid after 2 years and dont even test it. I service a few cars and test the brake fluid every year and its usually 4 years before the smallest amount of moisture is detected, I then empty the reservoir and vacuum pull through plenty of fresh fluid rather than the garages half arsed pull a bit of new fluid on top of the old because we can do it again in another 2 years.
Probably because its the most profit for the easiest job and even the apprentice can do it.
I also hate that they want to change brake fluid after 2 years and dont even test it. I service a few cars and test the brake fluid every year and its usually 4 years before the smallest amount of moisture is detected, I then empty the reservoir and vacuum pull through plenty of fresh fluid rather than the garages half arsed pull a bit of new fluid on top of the old because we can do it again in another 2 years.
Jaz2000 said:
It just seems to be a thing with garages and main dealers, they are more interested in changing pads and discs than anything else.
Probably because its the most profit for the easiest job and even the apprentice can do it.
I also hate that they want to change brake fluid after 2 years and dont even test it. I service a few cars and test the brake fluid every year and its usually 4 years before the smallest amount of moisture is detected, I then empty the reservoir and vacuum pull through plenty of fresh fluid rather than the garages half arsed pull a bit of new fluid on top of the old because we can do it again in another 2 years.
I can assure you we test brake fluid and only advise if it fails the test.Probably because its the most profit for the easiest job and even the apprentice can do it.
I also hate that they want to change brake fluid after 2 years and dont even test it. I service a few cars and test the brake fluid every year and its usually 4 years before the smallest amount of moisture is detected, I then empty the reservoir and vacuum pull through plenty of fresh fluid rather than the garages half arsed pull a bit of new fluid on top of the old because we can do it again in another 2 years.
I very much doubt a car has done 96k on the front discs and they are like new
Most cars would be on there 2 second of pads at a minimum and likely to need 3rd set due to wear and the front discs would very likey be to the wear limit by then probably a while ago
Most modern cars have discs that have 2-3 mm of wear before 5hey are are the minim thickness
Most cars would be on there 2 second of pads at a minimum and likely to need 3rd set due to wear and the front discs would very likey be to the wear limit by then probably a while ago
Most modern cars have discs that have 2-3 mm of wear before 5hey are are the minim thickness
stevemcs said:
If it’s the rears then it’s probably true, most jlr rear brakes corrode really badly on the inside face. Lowest mileage car we have done is 6000 miles
6000 miles 😂 I bet you can do that with a bicycle and still have good brakes 🙂 
This is on my seat Toledo from 2012 original discs ATE 96000 miles pads replaced at 60000miles , Just had a MOT and the guy said that they are working perfectly... I've asked as I was planning to change them this year ... And I am not a snail on the road a lot of times I wonder how is this car still going as I've used it like a van since new and most of the times has a lot of tools in the back , loaded 500-600 kg many times... Still going strong never had to change a bulb on it but is not as good as a Jag people say
stevemcs said:
If it’s the rears then it’s probably true, most jlr rear brakes corrode really badly on the inside face. Lowest mileage car we have done is 6000 miles
6000 miles 😂 I bet you can do that with a bicycle and still have good brakes 🙂 This is on my seat Toledo from 2012 original discs ATE 96000 miles pads replaced at 60000miles , Just had a MOT and the guy said that they are working perfectly... I've asked as I was planning to change them this year ... And I am not a snail on the road a lot of times I wonder how is this car still going as I've used it like a van since new and most of the times has a lot of tools in the back , loaded 500-600 kg many times... Still going strong never had to change a bulb on it but is not as good as a Jag people say
Pica-Pica said:
If they brake well, and are thick enough, they are fine. However, deeply pitted ones can cause brake judder. For that reason, I had my rears changed at a BMW main dealer, for just under £500. That’s on a 335d at 47k miles. My fronts were changed in the summer (also pitted but getting close to the limit)
The cause of the pitting was corrosion from salt and not being driven after the first signs of corrosion. Regular use will remove corrosion before pitting causes judder issues.
£1k sounds quite steep to me.
He's been quoted £1k for front and back pads and discs... Decent band will cost under £300 , performance discs and ceramic pads £500 this are trade prices that any garage will put a markup plus labor The cause of the pitting was corrosion from salt and not being driven after the first signs of corrosion. Regular use will remove corrosion before pitting causes judder issues.
£1k sounds quite steep to me.
For main dealer prices £1k is not out of order at all, that is why most go elsewhere.
Main dealers will always recommend change well before worn out as they are working to JLR spec, not wear limits.
You still haven't checked the inside of the discs, the inside face is normally worse than the outside.
Main dealers will always recommend change well before worn out as they are working to JLR spec, not wear limits.
You still haven't checked the inside of the discs, the inside face is normally worse than the outside.
Chris32345 said:
I very much doubt a car has done 96k on the front discs and they are like new
Most cars would be on there 2 second of pads at a minimum and likely to need 3rd set due to wear and the front discs would very likey be to the wear limit by then probably a while ago
Most modern cars have discs that have 2-3 mm of wear before 5hey are are the minim thickness
My car did 96k in 11 years (ordered new discs and pads front and back for it , brakes still ok I just think that I got enough out of them) ... my friends Jag has 50k and main dealer wanted to change discs and pads second time in 3 years they are the ones looking like new (they replace them at 19k first now they told him that they need replacing again... I never cut corners on safety on our cars so everything that needs changing it's getting charged with best quality parts especially when it comes to brakes and tires but f me replacing brakes more often than tires can't be right (my wife's golf Mk6 98k when I sold it this year original discs on front had rear discs/pads and front pads but not discs ... Easy money for garages replacing brakes every 1/2 years not surprised the market is full of cheap brands that make them probably out of lead can't see why they are worn in 6000miles like someone said here Most cars would be on there 2 second of pads at a minimum and likely to need 3rd set due to wear and the front discs would very likey be to the wear limit by then probably a while ago
Most modern cars have discs that have 2-3 mm of wear before 5hey are are the minim thickness
AndreiStoe said:
replacing brakes more often than tires can't be right...
...can't see why they are worn in 6000miles like someone said here
It's not impossible, certainly on modern cars....can't see why they are worn in 6000miles like someone said here
With actuations for "agile handling assist" and similar, you can be using the brakes without even realising it, I've gone through rear pads in less than 10k, which you will easily get from a set of modern touring tyres.
Haltamer said:
AndreiStoe said:
replacing brakes more often than tires can't be right...
...can't see why they are worn in 6000miles like someone said here
It's not impossible, certainly on modern cars....can't see why they are worn in 6000miles like someone said here
With actuations for "agile handling assist" and similar, you can be using the brakes without even realising it, I've gone through rear pads in less than 10k, which you will easily get from a set of modern touring tyres.
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