Non interference engines

Non interference engines

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BND1

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11 posts

52 months

Tuesday 24th January 2023
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Hi fellow pistonheads members.

In the event of a timing chain/belt breaking does anyone know of a UK/European list of cars that are of this engine type. I have searched for this information online and found that any lists that exist are usually applicable to the American vehicle Market. Obviously little use to us here in the UK. Most cars theses days will likely be of the interference type therfore I guess the list of UK and European made cars that have non interference engines would be short. Anyone know of such a list? If you do would you be kind enough to send me a link. Thanks in advance for any replies.

blue_haddock

4,485 posts

82 months

Tuesday 24th January 2023
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I know the old Fiat FIRE engine was non interference.

HJG

532 posts

122 months

Tuesday 24th January 2023
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Are you planning on running an engine and never changing the timing belt?
Still leaves you stranded if interference or not.
MK1 MX5s were non interference, not sure about later ones.

Scootersp

3,659 posts

203 months

Tuesday 24th January 2023
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Toyota's of the late 90's (pre vvti) tended to be made like this

This list is quite comprehensive but doesn't always list specific engine codes eg 2JZ-GTE or 7AFE

http://yourcarangel.com/2014/07/interference-engin...

Scootersp

3,659 posts

203 months

Tuesday 24th January 2023
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HJG said:
Are you planning on running an engine and never changing the timing belt?
Still leaves you stranded if interference or not.
MK1 MX5s were non interference, not sure about later ones.
It's a good fail safe, loads of cambelts go from failures of aux belts or various tensioners, you can argue proper servicing will protect you but a slip up by a mechanic can also cost you and it often is a complete write off if you are unlucky enough to have a cambelt go in a interference engine.

BND1

Original Poster:

11 posts

52 months

Tuesday 24th January 2023
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Totally agree. I would rather pay a couple of hundred for break down recovery and a bit of inconvenience than ending up handing out thousands for labour charges and replacement engine.

Oh com back the days of the old v6 Ford engines were the camshafts were driven by cogs not belts or chains. There was the 2.3 2.8 and 3.0. The capri 2.8i was a truly wonderful engine. Bullet proof engine's, easy to work on.

Edited by BND1 on Tuesday 24th January 12:27

V8covin

8,543 posts

208 months

Tuesday 24th January 2023
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Ford pinto engine

geeks

10,490 posts

154 months

Tuesday 24th January 2023
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Many earlier Vauxhall engines were non interference (certainly the 1.2, through to the 2.0 8 valvers were, not sure about the 16v valvers)

gt40steve

1,066 posts

119 months

Tuesday 24th January 2023
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V8covin said:
Ford pinto engine
I believe the 1600 GT may be an exception,that isn't fail safe.

As above stated, 1600 non GT that I was driving at 50mph just safely coasted to a halt and I fitted a new belt on the side of the road.

American CVH had cut outs in the piston so was fail safe, ours didn't.

davek_964

10,175 posts

190 months

Tuesday 24th January 2023
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I had it happen to me a few years back - although to be fair, it wasn't the belt that snapped - it was the cam (variator). And it did indeed cost about £6k to rebuild that bank.....

On the other hand, I can't imagine looking for a non-interference engine given how much it would massively restrict all the other things that are important in my car choice.

HJG

532 posts

122 months

Tuesday 24th January 2023
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Non interference engine usually means low compression ratio, so look at early turbocharged cars.

HustleRussell

25,629 posts

175 months

Tuesday 24th January 2023
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Seems a very odd criteria to select a car / engine on. The maintenance cost upside (which is minimal) will be offset many times over by the fact that the car / engine will be 20+ years old now, with very few exceptions.

If you don't want to have to ever change a belt, buy a car / engine which has a chain drive instead (one which is known to be reliable, not one of the ones which has proven to be problematic!)

rigga

8,778 posts

216 months

Tuesday 24th January 2023
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geeks said:
Many earlier Vauxhall engines were non interference (certainly the 1.2, through to the 2.0 8 valvers were, not sure about the 16v valvers)
16v engines were interference, and would smack the pistons against the valve's, earlier 8v in various capacities were non interference.

Anything with inclined valves in order to get them to fit into the combustion chamber will result in damage should the belt fail.
8v were vertical , so had more space to clear.

BananaFama

4,799 posts

94 months

Tuesday 24th January 2023
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BND1 said:
Totally agree. I would rather pay a couple of hundred for break down recovery and a bit of inconvenience than ending up handing out thousands for labour charges and replacement engine.

Oh com back the days of the old v6 Ford engines were the camshafts were driven by cogs not belts or chains. There was the 2.3 2.8 and 3.0. The capri 2.8i was a truly wonderful engine. Bullet proof engine's, easy to work on.

Edited by BND1 on Tuesday 24th January 12:27
The fibre gear in the "Essex" V6 2.5 & 3.0 could strip all it's teeth off , I don't know if the Cologne V6s did the same .

The smaller V4 Ford engines had fibre gears too , I had experience with Saab V4s

dhutch

16,537 posts

212 months

Tuesday 24th January 2023
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HJG said:
Non interference engine usually means low compression ratio, so look at early turbocharged cars.
Perkins prima, in the Montego being one I believe.

Gary C

13,826 posts

194 months

Tuesday 24th January 2023
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BND1 said:
old v6 Ford engines were the camshafts were driven by cogs not belts or chains.

Bullet proof engine's, easy to work on.
Err, except of course the fibre timing gears in Essex and Cologne V6 engines.



dhutch

16,537 posts

212 months

Tuesday 24th January 2023
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gt40steve said:
... just safely coasted to a halt and I fitted a new belt on the side of the road. ...
Yarp. Outside my uncle house, on a family day out, drove home that evening.

Chris32345

2,137 posts

77 months

Tuesday 24th January 2023
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blue_haddock said:
I know the old Fiat FIRE engine was non interference.
Only the older 60hp ones Euro 4 and below

Euro 5 and above e.g the 69 hp engines are interference


I believe all 16v engines are interference as well

Sheepshanks

37,324 posts

134 months

Tuesday 24th January 2023
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rigga said:
geeks said:
Many earlier Vauxhall engines were non interference (certainly the 1.2, through to the 2.0 8 valvers were, not sure about the 16v valvers)
16v engines were interference, and would smack the pistons against the valve's, earlier 8v in various capacities were non interference.

Anything with inclined valves in order to get them to fit into the combustion chamber will result in damage should the belt fail.
8v were vertical , so had more space to clear.
My Cavalier rep-mobile in the late 80’s snapped its cambelt three times. So definitely non-interference! Think that was the 1.8i engine.

PaulKemp

979 posts

160 months

Wednesday 25th January 2023
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Buy a car with chain drive for cams