RE: Lexus IS-F | Spotted

RE: Lexus IS-F | Spotted

Thursday 23rd May

Lexus IS F | Spotted

V8 power, beefy looks and no major reliability concerns sound almost too good to be true. It isn't


The odds were stacked against Lexus when it introduced the IS F to the UK in 2008. Not only did the Japanese brand have zero performance car credentials, but it also had the stones to charge more than the likes of the E90 BMW M3 and W204 Mercedes C 63 AMG. Despite adding to its performance portfolio with the LFA a couple of years later and the M5-rivalling GS F, Lexus struggled to win over buyers and only managed to sell a few hundred examples in the UK. Hardly a runaway success, then.

Naturally, this has made the IS F a bit of a cult classic because, aside from its initial premium, the Japanese sports saloon had a huge amount going for it. The obvious draw was the 5.0-litre naturally aspirated V8, developed in partnership with Yamaha and sending 423hp to the rear wheels. That may have only been a smidgen more than what the M3 delivered from a smaller capacity V8, but the IS F’s 371lb ft of torque monstered the BMW's 295lb ft. Granted, the C 63 trumped both of them, but the IS F could at least hold its own in a straight fight against the German old guard. 

Lexus engineers (or were they Toyota?) didn’t muck about with the IS F’s chassis, either. The suspension, for example, retained the same layout as the base IS saloon, only with components constructed from lighter materials to reduce unsprung mass. The spring and damper rates were considerably stiffer (perhaps a little too stiff, depending on who you ask), while beefier anti-roll bars were installed to keep the 1,700-odd kilo weight in check. In true Lexus fashion, the IS F was far better suited to a brisk cruise than being hustled around Cadwell Park on a busy track day, yet for early morning blasts along your preferred bit of tarmac, the IS F was more than up for the task.

Granted, there’s an argument to be had that it didn’t feel as plush as its German competitors, and while its cabin was solid there’s not a huge amount inside to separate it from a regular IS aside from some F badges and sportier seats. There’s no denying it looked the part on the outside, though, with pumped-up arches that were further enhanced by a blade-like vent behind the front wheels. And let’s not forget the double-stacked exhausts, which were a real curveball given that Lexus was well-known for very conservative designs (read: dull) up to that point.

Obviously, it wasn’t sufficiently stimulating to steal swarms of would-be M3 and C 63 buyers, but it was one heck of a statement of intent. It’s looked on far more favourably these days too because it was built to the same standards as every other Lexus or Toyota is, meaning it’s tough enough to survive a nuclear strike and won’t cost a fortune to service. Well, apart from fuel and tax, which, er, you might want to set aside a bit of your budget for.

Good thing you won’t have to fork out major money initially, then, and given their rarity you seldom see examples with dodgy body kits on and questionable engine mods. The car we have here is one of the early 2008 cars and, by the looks of it, is as stock as the day it was first registered. Only 81,300 miles have been covered, too, which by Lexus standards means it’s only just run-in. Probably. How does £19,950 sound? It’s the only one up for sale on PH at the time of writing (told you they were rare), but most pre-facelift IS Fs are hovering around the £20k mark, while a post-facelift (which softened the ride) will cost between £5k and £10k more. Yes, you’ll find a used C 63 and M3 for less, but there’s a good chance you’ll save more in the long run - just not on tax or fuel. 


SPECIFICATION | LEXUS IS F

Engine: 4,968cc V8
Transmission: eight-speed automatic, rear-wheel drive
Power (hp): 423@6,600rpm
Torque (lb ft): 372@5,200rpm
MPG: 24.8
CO2: 283g/km
Year registered: 2008
Recorded mileage: 81,300
Price new: £51,105
Yours for: £19,950

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GreatScott2016

Original Poster:

1,257 posts

90 months

Thursday 23rd May
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Bet that's lovely to cruise around in, and should sound good too smile

jim-k0nxx

7 posts

81 months

Thursday 23rd May
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20k though. I mean, I know stuff is expensive now but, it looks like maybe 5 or 6k to me, max.

Iron Jango

4 posts

9 months

Thursday 23rd May
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Intriguing car. But weren’t brakes notoriously expensive to replace on this?

stuart100

518 posts

59 months

Thursday 23rd May
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jim-k0nxx said:
20k though. I mean, I know stuff is expensive now but, it looks like maybe 5 or 6k to me, max.
5 or 6k? For a premium performance V8? You sound tighter than a drum.

Jon_S_Rally

3,465 posts

90 months

Thursday 23rd May
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It's a bit more expensive than I would have expected, but 5 or 6k? Someone has been smoking something laugh

An intriguing car, but I think I would struggle to buy one over an M3 in reality. I don't understand why the article complains that the interior is dull to be honest. Is the interior of an M3 that thrilling? Just like this, it's basically the same as the bog standard models, just with different seats. That's the same with virtually every other performance variant of a normal car.

CountyAFC

798 posts

5 months

Thursday 23rd May
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jim-k0nxx said:
20k though. I mean, I know stuff is expensive now but, it looks like maybe 5 or 6k to me, max.
The mistake is yours not the markets.

£5k/£6k don't be silly.

Lexmaster

58 posts

36 months

Thursday 23rd May
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Iron Jango said:
Intriguing car. But weren’t brakes notoriously expensive to replace on this?
If you go to Lexus and order the brakes thru them, then yes they are expensive. But if you don't have two left hands, you can do it yourself and save quite a lot on parts prices. Iirc i paid ~600-700€ for OE brembo discs and pads front and rear.

They are worth every penny btw smile

fflump

1,461 posts

40 months

Thursday 23rd May
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CountyAFC said:
jim-k0nxx said:
20k though. I mean, I know stuff is expensive now but, it looks like maybe 5 or 6k to me, max.
The mistake is yours not the markets.

£5k/£6k don't be silly.
He is right that £20k is a bit punchy for a 16 year old Japanese saloon. You could get a similar age /mileage Bentley Continental for that


Edited by fflump on Thursday 23 May 08:02

mooseracer

1,957 posts

172 months

Thursday 23rd May
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fflump said:
CountyAFC said:
jim-k0nxx said:
20k though. I mean, I know stuff is expensive now but, it looks like maybe 5 or 6k to me, max.
The mistake is yours not the markets.

£5k/£6k don't be silly.
He is right that £20k is a bit punchy for a 16 year old Japanese saloon. You could get a similar age /mileage Bentley Continental for that


Edited by fflump on Thursday 23 May 08:02
lol I thought your post was a bit odd before you edited in the Bentley comparison, even more so now!

fflump

1,461 posts

40 months

Thursday 23rd May
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mooseracer said:
fflump said:
CountyAFC said:
jim-k0nxx said:
20k though. I mean, I know stuff is expensive now but, it looks like maybe 5 or 6k to me, max.
The mistake is yours not the markets.

£5k/£6k don't be silly.
He is right that £20k is a bit punchy for a 16 year old Japanese saloon. You could get a similar age /mileage Bentley Continental for that


Edited by fflump on Thursday 23 May 08:02
lol I thought your post was a bit odd before you edited in the Bentley comparison, even more so now!
I’d take a mark 1 Flying Spur over it, plus a handful of brave pills.

bobbycad

3 posts

101 months

Thursday 23rd May
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Had one for couple years , never put a foot wrong, although they are known for the "false" rear tail pipes for falling off and Lexus wanted a tidy sum to replace it.

Cups Renault

170 posts

203 months

Thursday 23rd May
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It's a 16 year old Japanese saloon closing in on six figures mileage.

It should be far nearer 5/6k than the delusional 20k
Wasn't special new, has never been acclaimed as a great of it's era. Comical pricing and defence of the price here.

CountyAFC

798 posts

5 months

Thursday 23rd May
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fflump said:
CountyAFC said:
jim-k0nxx said:
20k though. I mean, I know stuff is expensive now but, it looks like maybe 5 or 6k to me, max.
The mistake is yours not the markets.

£5k/£6k don't be silly.
He is right that £20k is a bit punchy for a 16 year old Japanese saloon. You could get a similar age /mileage Bentley Continental for that


Edited by fflump on Thursday 23 May 08:02
£20k Bentley? Go for it. Rather you than me.

People like cars that work.

The market sets the price. Lexus values, as the models get older, strengthen in comparison to its competitors, because Lexus are superbly reliable.

Maybe it should be nearer £15k but £5k is nonsense.

British Beef

2,255 posts

167 months

Thursday 23rd May
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Cups Renault said:
It's a 16 year old Japanese saloon closing in on six figures mileage.

It should be far nearer 5/6k than the delusional 20k
Wasn't special new, has never been acclaimed as a great of it's era. Comical pricing and defence of the price here.
I agree, throw into equation the £700 year a tax and I would not touch one.

For similar money (plus £3k) you can get a 10 year newer M3 with lower mileage...... no brainer.

Arsecati

2,351 posts

119 months

Thursday 23rd May
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Guys calling the poster who stated it was over-priced 'silly' and 'smoking something', should really go do a bit of research on pricing before making such 'silly' comments themselves.

Granted, £5/6k lower maybe stretching it a little bit, but considering there's one on AT for £12.5 (granted, with ASTRONOMICAL mileage.... but it's a Lexus isn't it - aren't they supposed to be good for a million?), and two on another well known auction site with mileage in the 50's asking £16k, his assertion isn't too 'silly' at all in my opinion.

Roger Irrelevant

2,992 posts

115 months

Thursday 23rd May
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Jon_S_Rally said:
I don't understand why the article complains that the interior is dull to be honest. Is the interior of an M3 that thrilling? Just like this, it's basically the same as the bog standard models, just with different seats. That's the same with virtually every other performance variant of a normal car.
It's just what car journos say whenever they're talking about a Japanese car. Just like American cars are always too big for UK roads (despite being the same size as all their European rivals). It is the law. Car interiors are apparently only acceptable when they're imitating a provincial nightclub, with quilted stitching, logos, mood lighting and gaudy chrome details everywhere.

stuart100

518 posts

59 months

Thursday 23rd May
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British Beef said:
Cups Renault said:
It's a 16 year old Japanese saloon closing in on six figures mileage.

It should be far nearer 5/6k than the delusional 20k
Wasn't special new, has never been acclaimed as a great of it's era. Comical pricing and defence of the price here.
I agree, throw into equation the £700 year a tax and I would not touch one.

For similar money (plus £3k) you can get a 10 year newer M3 with lower mileage...... no brainer.
It's about having the V8. Like the M3 of the same era. Not a six cylinder turbo. They are not the same. That's why you pay the £700+ tax.

Dr_Rick

1,601 posts

250 months

Thursday 23rd May
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My guess is that those people who are suggesting that the car should be £5k-£6k have never been near one let alone owned one.

I had one for a while, essentially triple black with no chrome, smoked wheels and black interior / exterior. It was a complete sleeper. Previous (friend) owner had a local guy put a switched valved exhaust on it, and when bypassing the rear silencers it sounded epic. It would hold it's own on a blast with much more exotic machinery (that cost a country mile more than your £6k).

Yes, the engine was fairly locked down without spending a fortune on something like a supercharger. You could change the coil overs for something better to improve the handling, but on an open road, not a track, it wasn't really necessary.

I agree that the price is a little toppy, but looking across the 11 on AT, there's one there that's gone completely off the reservation with an imported car (Japan, still in km) with a reported 107,400 miles on a 63plate for £27.5k.

However, these cars are very good and worth the money of you 'get it'.

But they're not £6k.

fflump

1,461 posts

40 months

Thursday 23rd May
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CountyAFC said:
fflump said:
CountyAFC said:
jim-k0nxx said:
20k though. I mean, I know stuff is expensive now but, it looks like maybe 5 or 6k to me, max.
The mistake is yours not the markets.

£5k/£6k don't be silly.
He is right that £20k is a bit punchy for a 16 year old Japanese saloon. You could get a similar age /mileage Bentley Continental for that


Edited by fflump on Thursday 23 May 08:02
£20k Bentley? Go for it. Rather you than me.

People like cars that work.

The market sets the price. Lexus values, as the models get older, strengthen in comparison to its competitors, because Lexus are superbly reliable.

Maybe it should be nearer £15k but £5k is nonsense.
I already have a Bentley but thanks for the advice. The market sets the sale price not the asking price. I still think it is too high.

Tabs

954 posts

274 months

Thursday 23rd May
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I have owned one of these, and as DrRick mentions, if you get it, you get it.
Being as there were only around 200 imported, I don't suppose many have seen one, let alone driven one.
In the time I had mine, I never saw another on the road, and still haven't seen one since I sold it.
Name another brand of high performance car, where you get it serviced once a year, and nothing goes wrong.
The only expenses, fuel, tyres and brakes. Admittedly the tax is expensive, but the reliability counters that.