Precise Ordnance Map Data via an App?

Precise Ordnance Map Data via an App?

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whatxd

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448 posts

114 months

Wednesday 19th March
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No sure if this is the correct place to post but here goes. I'm doing a job where a house has an exact floor height via ordnance maps/height above sea level. This has been marked on the site but upon looking at it, it seems high.

There's very little gravity to the manholes I'm tapping into so it must be right, but I was wondering if there's an easy way to check myself for peace of mind via an app?

OutInTheShed

10,774 posts

39 months

Wednesday 19th March
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Are you wanting to read the altitude from map data, or get a live height from the phone's GPS?

The county council's mapping on their rights of way (etc) portal may have some surveyed heights.

3D gps on phones can be a bit variable.

Antony Moxey

9,469 posts

232 months

Wednesday 19th March
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whatxd said:
No sure if this is the correct place to post but here goes. I'm doing a job where a house has an exact floor height via ordnance maps/height above sea level. This has been marked on the site but upon looking at it, it seems high.

There's very little gravity to the manholes I'm tapping into so it must be right, but I was wondering if there's an easy way to check myself for peace of mind via an app?
Not sure I understand what you’re asking, however surely you just need a normal dumpy level or equivalent if you’re just looking for the height difference between a floor level and manhole level? Apologies if I’ve got completely the wrong end of the stick.

DRichardson

37 posts

62 months

Wednesday 19th March
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OS Locate app any good for what you need?

whatxd

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Wednesday 19th March
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DRichardson said:
OS Locate app any good for what you need?
Couldn't install it because it was "made for an older version of android" apparently

DRichardson

37 posts

62 months

Wednesday 19th March
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ah - works on iOS fine - wasn't aware not available on android.

whatxd

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448 posts

114 months

Wednesday 19th March
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OutInTheShed said:
Are you wanting to read the altitude from map data, or get a live height from the phone's GPS?

The county council's mapping on their rights of way (etc) portal may have some surveyed heights.

3D gps on phones can be a bit variable.
Some sort of live GPS, or even a similar device that can be purchased from somewhere.

I basically want to sit it on the new house dpc level and see if it reads the same as the height that was with the planning application and is supposed to already have been marked up here on site (which is what I've set level to) just to make sure a mistake hasn't been made somewhere.

I've never seen these numbers myself, just been shown a line and told "that's the height you're going to"

whatxd

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448 posts

114 months

Wednesday 19th March
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DRichardson said:
ah - works on iOS fine - wasn't aware not available on android.
Just tried it on my wife's phone and it was swinging between 28m and 31m so not sure that it could give an accurate reading

OutInTheShed

10,774 posts

39 months

Wednesday 19th March
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Proper surveyors used to use DGPS systems, which could get to within a centimetre or so, comparing with a known point.
In about 1990, I had a lodger whose girlfriend was a surveyor.
I expect it's got cheaper and better since then?

DRichardson

37 posts

62 months

Wednesday 19th March
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whatxd said:
Just tried it on my wife's phone and it was swinging between 28m and 31m so not sure that it could give an accurate reading
definitely not what you need - didn't know was so variable!

OutInTheShed

10,774 posts

39 months

Wednesday 19th March
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DRichardson said:
whatxd said:
Just tried it on my wife's phone and it was swinging between 28m and 31m so not sure that it could give an accurate reading
definitely not what you need - didn't know was so variable!
If you leave the phone still for a while it may do some averaging?

roscopervis

369 posts

160 months

Wednesday 19th March
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OutInTheShed said:
Proper surveyors used to use DGPS systems, which could get to within a centimetre or so, comparing with a known point.
In about 1990, I had a lodger whose girlfriend was a surveyor.
I expect it's got cheaper and better since then?
Only if left for a very long time, like an hour or 4 hours for a properly accurate point using GNSS raw data then converted to Rinex.

osterbo

243 posts

133 months

Wednesday 19th March
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Uncorrected GPS is pretty terrible for altitude, you've no chance.

You might get lucky and find one of the OS Benchmarks is nearby: https://interactivemaps.uk/os-benchmark-archive/ - none of these are calibrated against the modern mapping, they use GPS surveying.

I think your best bet is to find a surveyor with the appropriate kit for a few hundred pounds.

Simpo Two

88,602 posts

278 months

Wednesday 19th March
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whatxd said:
There's very little gravity to the manholes...
I didn't know you could buy low gravity manholes. Are you in orbit?

Chrisgr31

13,989 posts

268 months

Thursday 20th March
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What’s the actual aim of getting this information and what are you hoping to achieve?

If it’s not the right height how does that actually help you?

It sounds as if the problem is the height difference to the manhole is insufficient and surely if that’s a fact that’s a fact. It doesn’t matter what else is wrong.


spitfire-ian

3,959 posts

241 months

Thursday 20th March
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If the levels are that critical and you obviously have some doubts about them then it would be definitely worth the money to get a surveyor in now to get some site levels done. Can’t remember what our last one charged but think it was around £600 but that was to do more than just check levels.

whatxd

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448 posts

114 months

Thursday 20th March
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Thanks everyone for your help. I found more topographical data from a neighbouring application with an exact point a could use to get a level from myself and subtract the difference. The mark on my site is in fact correct.