RE: First VW California hybrid on sale now

RE: First VW California hybrid on sale now

Thursday 24th April

First VW California hybrid on sale now

Planning a staycation with the family this summer? VW's first PHEV camper can be ordered from today


We all know VW Californias are big business; from April to September every year you’ll do well to avoid them within 50 miles of the sea. Old ones, new ones, middle aged ones - there are always plenty. The ID. Buzz may be the fun new electric thing, but with strong residuals and a great image, it’s easy to see why folk keep hold of the traditional buses. You might remember last year came a big change for the Cali, with hybrid power introduced. Now that PHEV model, the California eHybrid 4MOTION, is on sale in the UK. Nothing better, surely, for this year’s summer hols. 

As a reminder, the van boasts a 245hp combination of 1.5-litre four-cylinder and electric motor, the latter supplied by a 19.7kWh battery. Officially there’s an EV range of 54 miles, which should be more than enough for pottering around the campsite or the local lanes of chocolate box cottages. VW suggests that the towing capacity of up to 1,600kg is ‘perfect for those with motorbikes or boats in tow.’ For when the kids are staying with grandparents, perhaps. 

UK customers will be offered Beach Camper, Coast and range-topping Ocean models, with all getting sliding doors on both sides, a mini kitchen, an auxiliary heater and a host of in-car charging options. A Type 2 cable is included for replenishing the hybrid battery wherever some charge can be snuck in. 

We say that only because, in best California tradition, the new hybrid doesn’t come cheap. Prices kick off at £71,295 for the Beach Camper, £78,495 for the Coast, or £85,395 for the Ocean. So, uh, best really like staying in a van. And think of the residuals. To soften the blow, there are zero per cent finance offers, albeit only on the Beach Camper and with a £35k deposit. Still, you can bet on the seaside being flooded by them in due course. And if more than £70k seems too much for a new holiday home on wheels, don’t forget those Californias that have been pre-loved


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coop252

Original Poster:

28 posts

64 months

Thursday 24th April
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You can buy a lot of hotel rooms for that.

paulnb

15 posts

38 months

Thursday 24th April
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Exactly my first thought.

pb8g09

2,797 posts

83 months

Thursday 24th April
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£35k deposit and I'm guessing £600+ a month for a 'carefree' lifestyle. Not sure I'm on board with this those figures!

WPA

11,791 posts

128 months

Thursday 24th April
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coop252 said:
You can buy a lot of hotel rooms for that.
Agreed

Evercross

6,585 posts

78 months

Thursday 24th April
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That's fk'n mental. You need to be seriously married to the brand to want to pay those prices. You can get a proper motorhome conversion with a lot more creature comforts for that money.

Veblen goods need to have a market, and I think this one doesn't.

Edited by Evercross on Thursday 24th April 11:44

Richard-390a0

2,855 posts

105 months

Thursday 24th April
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EV range of 54 miles & the rest of the time it's a 1500cc engine, are they trying to recreate the experience of driving a wheezy old splitty / bay window camper!?!

Evercross

6,585 posts

78 months

Thursday 24th April
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Richard-390a0 said:
EV range of 54 miles & the rest of the time it's a 1500cc engine, are they trying to recreate the experience of driving a wheezy old splitty / bay window camper!?!
Wow, I hadn't even read those specs!

VW's hubris is vividly on display here. It is not as if the styling recaptures an earlier era. This is just a stupidly expensive van with an underspec'd factory camper adaptation.

No wonder they are in financial trouble.

I can see these ending up in rental fleets with VW offering massive incentives for AVIS and Hertz to take them off their hands.

georgeyboy12345

3,889 posts

49 months

Thursday 24th April
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I like the idea of PHEVs in the right usage scenario (I have one as my daily driver living in and commuting around central Manchester) but for this use case I still think a diesel makes the most sense.

GeniusOfLove

3,446 posts

26 months

Thursday 24th April
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Bellends everywhere rejoice! hehe

Water Fairy

6,106 posts

169 months

Thursday 24th April
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WPA said:
coop252 said:
You can buy a lot of hotel rooms for that.
Agreed
Yawn. Yes they are expensive but the residuals on these are mental. With a hotel room once your money's gone, it's gone.

It may be a shock to you but other types of holiday are still available to camper types so it's not like they're missing out.

Not a Cali but a few years ago we bought a Transporter camper, spent nearly 20k on it and when we sold got every single penny back.

These may not be your thing, but don't assume people are stupid because they love these things.

Each to their own?

Evercross

6,585 posts

78 months

Thursday 24th April
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Water Fairy said:
Not a Cali but a few years ago we bought a Transporter camper, spent nearly 20k on it and when we sold got every single penny back.
Not arguing with that at all. There's a massive market for campervans and residuals on them are very strong with some even appreciating (try buying a Mazda Bongo).

This misses that market IMO.

AmazingGrace

201 posts

18 months

Thursday 24th April
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Water Fairy said:
WPA said:
coop252 said:
You can buy a lot of hotel rooms for that.
Agreed
Yawn. Yes they are expensive but the residuals on these are mental. With a hotel room once your money's gone, it's gone.

It may be a shock to you but other types of holiday are still available to camper types so it's not like they're missing out.

Not a Cali but a few years ago we bought a Transporter camper, spent nearly 20k on it and when we sold got every single penny back.

These may not be your thing, but don't assume people are stupid because they love these things.

Each to their own?
Agreed.
I would happily buy one of these, use it 4-5 times a year. On the times I’m on a “normal holiday “ in a hotel room, the California would be rented out.

Not done the manmaths on it (suspect they would be Clarksonesque Maths) but i would expect it would be fairly cost neutral.
End of 3-4-8 years i get rid, itch scratched, and the crazy residuals are in my favour.

It’s very much a lifestyle choice i would say.

hyperblue

2,832 posts

194 months

Thursday 24th April
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WPA said:
coop252 said:
You can buy a lot of hotel rooms for that.
Agreed
Ever thought that other people might not like spending their money staying in hotels?

GeniusOfLove

3,446 posts

26 months

Thursday 24th April
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Evercross said:
Water Fairy said:
Not a Cali but a few years ago we bought a Transporter camper, spent nearly 20k on it and when we sold got every single penny back.
Not arguing with that at all. There's a massive market for campervans and residuals on them are very strong with some even appreciating (try buying a Mazda Bongo).

This misses that market IMO.
The best bit of the market is buying absolutely clapped out 200k mile builders vans for next to nothing, giving them a £1,500 blow over, fitting an eBay conversion kit, then sticking it on a bombsite forecourt for £20k with a nice fat kick back from finance at 12.9% to the Barrats home bellends chasing the Instagram "lifestyle".

Then when they can't make the payments or afford to fix it when it's tired old engine gives up you buy it back off them for 50p in the pound and repeat.

A friend of mine is making an excellent living from that model, he thought he'd died and gone to heaven during COVID when you could get £30k for the same heaps.

VW Campervans appear to be the perfect mechanism to part people from money with a lifecycle starting when VAG charge this much for one with a Polo drivetrain to bottom feeders like my friend mlking people with Instagram dreams and Instant Mash budgets. He also sells other makes of van converted for literally half the price to capture the non bellend sector of the camper market who want the camper and holidays rather than the "imagine" of the VW.

Edited by GeniusOfLove on Thursday 24th April 12:33

Evercross

6,585 posts

78 months

Thursday 24th April
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GeniusOfLove said:
The best bit of the market is buying absolutely clapped out 200k mile builders vans for next to nothing, giving them a £1,500 blow over, fitting an eBay conversion kit, then sticking it on a bombsite forecourt for £20k with a nice fat kick back from finance at 12.9% to the Barrats home bellends chasing the Instagram "lifestyle".

Then when they can't make the payments or afford to fix it when it's tired old engine gives up you buy it back off them for 50p in the pound and repeat.

A friend of mine is making an excellent living from that model, he thought he'd died and gone to heaven during COVID when you could get £30k for the same heaps.
rofl

GeniusOfLove said:
VW Campervans appear to be the perfect mechanism to part bellends from money from VAG charging this much for one with a Polo drivetrain to bottom feeders like my friend. He also sells other makes of van converted for literally half the price to capture the small non bellend sector of the camper market.
Exactly that. Campervans are about function as well as brand. Buying this Californian is a bit like buying a 38mm Rolex Datejust when what you needed was a big stopwatch, then trying to time a race with it.

Craikeybaby

11,281 posts

239 months

Thursday 24th April
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I’ll stick to my 2014 Kombi.

AmazingGrace

201 posts

18 months

Thursday 24th April
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GeniusOfLove said:
Evercross said:
Water Fairy said:
Not a Cali but a few years ago we bought a Transporter camper, spent nearly 20k on it and when we sold got every single penny back.
Not arguing with that at all. There's a massive market for campervans and residuals on them are very strong with some even appreciating (try buying a Mazda Bongo).

This misses that market IMO.
The best bit of the market is buying absolutely clapped out 200k mile builders vans for next to nothing, giving them a £1,500 blow over, fitting an eBay conversion kit, then sticking it on a bombsite forecourt for £20k with a nice fat kick back from finance at 12.9% to the Barrats home bellends chasing the Instagram "lifestyle".

Then when they can't make the payments or afford to fix it when it's tired old engine gives up you buy it back off them for 50p in the pound and repeat.

A friend of mine is making an excellent living from that model, he thought he'd died and gone to heaven during COVID when you could get £30k for the same heaps.

VW Campervans appear to be the perfect mechanism to part people from money with a lifecycle starting when VAG charge this much for one with a Polo drivetrain to bottom feeders like my friend mlking people with Instagram dreams and Instant Mash budgets. He also sells other makes of van converted for literally half the price to capture the non bellend sector of the camper market who want the camper and holidays rather than the "imagine" of the VW.

Edited by GeniusOfLove on Thursday 24th April 12:33
A little harsh and generalising somewhat but funny as fk

JPOnstwedder

7 posts

135 months

Thursday 24th April
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Not my thing but the economics are not so bad. Financing £80k will cost maybe £8k per year; insurance and tax etc. add another £2k for a total of £10k per year. Nice hotel rooms are £250/night, plus in a camper you make your own meals so saving another £100/night. Savings of £350/night versus £10k annual costs says the break-even is less than 30 (relatively luxurious) nights a year. If you're retired or have a lot of holidays it may actually make sense financially.

Master Bean

4,404 posts

134 months

Thursday 24th April
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How fast can it go in EV mode?

fantheman80

1,942 posts

63 months

Thursday 24th April
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I think VW needs to do a 'scene' pack - black paint, slammed on some 20" wheels, big break kit red calliper conversion, more aggressive bumpers and a SUP board on top.