Sacked Police officer
Discussion
I cant see any discussion on this.
Heard the interview with the copper on LBC this morning, its well worth a listen, he comes across very well, I find it incredible that he has lost his job, absolutely ridiculous.
10 years exemplary service he now finds himself at 46 years old and with 3 kids to support, unemployed. why would anyone want to be a copper if this is how they treat their own?
https://www.lbc.co.uk/crime/police-officer-sacked-...
I saw this story the other day, and then watched the video of the arrest.
The chap he was arresting was suspected of threatening people in a McDonald's. No, he had no idea the guy was carrying a knife (but he should have expected that he would have been) and given the scenario, I can see absolutely nothing wrong with how the arrest happened.
I, personally, don't want my local police officers to ask offenders to politely stand still and be arrested. It's a dangerous job, and these scrotes don't deserve any respect from either the police or normal people.
The chap he was arresting was suspected of threatening people in a McDonald's. No, he had no idea the guy was carrying a knife (but he should have expected that he would have been) and given the scenario, I can see absolutely nothing wrong with how the arrest happened.
I, personally, don't want my local police officers to ask offenders to politely stand still and be arrested. It's a dangerous job, and these scrotes don't deserve any respect from either the police or normal people.
Ascayman said:
I cant see any discussion on this.
Heard the interview with the copper on LBC this morning, its well worth a listen, he comes across very well, I find it incredible that he has lost his job, absolutely ridiculous.
10 years exemplary service he now finds himself at 46 years old and with 3 kids to support, unemployed. why would anyone want to be a copper if this is how they treat their own?
https://www.lbc.co.uk/crime/police-officer-sacked-...
Heard the interview with the copper on LBC this morning, its well worth a listen, he comes across very well, I find it incredible that he has lost his job, absolutely ridiculous.
10 years exemplary service he now finds himself at 46 years old and with 3 kids to support, unemployed. why would anyone want to be a copper if this is how they treat their own?
https://www.lbc.co.uk/crime/police-officer-sacked-...
independent panel said:
"His shouting, swearing, finger pointing, taking hold of the boy's face and throat and suggested use of leg restraints was not necessary, reasonable or proportionate."
Remember that the knife fell out of the 15-year old boy's pocket afterwards. PC Lorne Castle didn't know that the boy had a knife until after shouting, swearing at him, taking hold of him by the throat.A PC without appropriate self control shouldn't be a policeman, which in this case is why he isn't one any more. That's the system working.
Nezquick said:
I saw this story the other day, and then watched the video of the arrest.
The chap he was arresting was suspected of threatening people in a McDonald's. No, he had no idea the guy was carrying a knife (but he should have expected that he would have been) and given the scenario, I can see absolutely nothing wrong with how the arrest happened.
I, personally, don't want my local police officers to ask offenders to politely stand still and be arrested. It's a dangerous job, and these scrotes don't deserve any respect from either the police or normal people.
Redo your scenario and imagine how that the person he arrested wasn't the person that was actually threatening people in McDonalds and just happened to look like the suspect. (finding the knife after the arrest isn't justification either). The chap he was arresting was suspected of threatening people in a McDonald's. No, he had no idea the guy was carrying a knife (but he should have expected that he would have been) and given the scenario, I can see absolutely nothing wrong with how the arrest happened.
I, personally, don't want my local police officers to ask offenders to politely stand still and be arrested. It's a dangerous job, and these scrotes don't deserve any respect from either the police or normal people.
If you rough up everyone you arrest you are in the wrong job.
sugerbear said:
Nezquick said:
I saw this story the other day, and then watched the video of the arrest.
The chap he was arresting was suspected of threatening people in a McDonald's. No, he had no idea the guy was carrying a knife (but he should have expected that he would have been) and given the scenario, I can see absolutely nothing wrong with how the arrest happened.
I, personally, don't want my local police officers to ask offenders to politely stand still and be arrested. It's a dangerous job, and these scrotes don't deserve any respect from either the police or normal people.
Redo your scenario and imagine how that the person he arrested wasn't the person that was actually threatening people in McDonalds and just happened to look like the suspect. (finding the knife after the arrest isn't justification either). The chap he was arresting was suspected of threatening people in a McDonald's. No, he had no idea the guy was carrying a knife (but he should have expected that he would have been) and given the scenario, I can see absolutely nothing wrong with how the arrest happened.
I, personally, don't want my local police officers to ask offenders to politely stand still and be arrested. It's a dangerous job, and these scrotes don't deserve any respect from either the police or normal people.
If you rough up everyone you arrest you are in the wrong job.
sugerbear said:
If you rough up everyone you arrest you are in the wrong job.
Maybe but if the person resists arrest what are you supposed to do then?I've never been arrested but if I was and I felt I'd done nothing to warrant it, I wouldn't put up a fight - how is that ever going to help?
The cop should have politely asked him to sit down, did he need a drink of water, does he prefer he/she/them/they and do they have any allergies or special needs. At that point the officer should have said, would they like to have 5 minutes in their quiet space for self reflection and personal care.
The officer should have then said, listen, I know you are a promising young footballer with a heart of gold, but we are going to deduct half of one good boy point from you for your recent behaviour. We can offer you support and a just giving page for a couple of weeks in return? Sound good.... mmmkay you take care now!!
Such a good lad... such a good lad... <waves>
The officer should have then said, listen, I know you are a promising young footballer with a heart of gold, but we are going to deduct half of one good boy point from you for your recent behaviour. We can offer you support and a just giving page for a couple of weeks in return? Sound good.... mmmkay you take care now!!
Such a good lad... such a good lad... <waves>
bad company said:
I agree with all of that but still think the officer didn t deserve to be sacked.
Probably where I'm at, although I was fully on his side until realising he didn't know about the knife. And I'm not sure what message not sacking them sends; you can get away with this... once, maybe again after a period, or something else under different circumstances?There has to be some sort of significant consequence, sacking him does seem to be the nuclear option though if it's truly a one off and he has capacity to learn from this, which it seems like he does. I suspect he'd be a better officer today than he was before this incident.
What frustrates me most is how useless the partner always seem to be in any video of an individual officer screwing up. He's doing it all on his own; holding the kid down, on the radio too, and clearly lost his rag, when was her shift due to start?
gotoPzero said:
The cop should have politely asked him to sit down, did he need a drink of water, does he prefer he/she/them/they and do they have any allergies or special needs. At that point the officer should have said, would they like to have 5 minutes in their quiet space for self reflection and personal care.
The officer should have then said, listen, I know you are a promising young footballer with a heart of gold, but we are going to deduct half of one good boy point from you for your recent behaviour. We can offer you support and a just giving page for a couple of weeks in return? Sound good.... mmmkay you take care now!!
Such a good lad... such a good lad... <waves>
This is just embarrassing. The officer should have then said, listen, I know you are a promising young footballer with a heart of gold, but we are going to deduct half of one good boy point from you for your recent behaviour. We can offer you support and a just giving page for a couple of weeks in return? Sound good.... mmmkay you take care now!!
Such a good lad... such a good lad... <waves>
Have a word with yourself.
Lack of respect, sackable offence?
Not in my book, a bit of a warning and further training should have been the most that happened to this officer.
I too have signed
https://www.change.org/p/reinstate-pc-lorne-castle
Not in my book, a bit of a warning and further training should have been the most that happened to this officer.
I too have signed
https://www.change.org/p/reinstate-pc-lorne-castle
dingg said:
Lack of respect, sackable offence?
Not in my book, a bit of a warning and further training should have been the most that happened to this officer.
I too have signed
https://www.change.org/p/reinstate-pc-lorne-castle
Absolutely right, hopefully he’ll be reinstated.Not in my book, a bit of a warning and further training should have been the most that happened to this officer.
I too have signed
https://www.change.org/p/reinstate-pc-lorne-castle
I live close by - Bournemouth has become a gauntlet of crackheads and yoofs at times, on just one night recently someone was stabbed, armed police arrested another couple, someone threatened to jump off a bridge and in nearby Poole armed police stopped a car after an armed robbery. One night.
This week someone was stabbed too. Last night I had my balcony doors open and heard a cheerful exchange between two crack heads in the distance which involved threats to cut the other one up. Theft is out of control. I got a coffee from Greggs a couple of weeks ago and they were robbed twice while I was queuing and apparently once more just before. Staff stay behind their screens and don’t even react (quite rightly they don’t get paid to be security). The place is out of control it never used to be like this.
There are ZERO visible police on patrol in the town centre. ZERO. You cannot walk through the square without someone approaching you for a light (precursor to the £5 for somewhere to sleep tonight), straight begging or just crackheads screaming at each other. It’s 100% not safe for women to walk alone at night now. The gardens are usually home to large groups of gentlemen no doubt from the hotels that have been recently repurposed.
Police stay in their cars tackling driving offences and I can’t blame them. Much safer. If they are in a situation like this it’s more than likely a weapon could be used against them. Society expects them to be gentle when arresting a suspect.
Kids in particular are not scared of the police at all - I cannot help but feel sorry for that policeman who with the adrenaline overreacted and was inappropriate. It’s made worse by what he is saying. Ultimately this young, peaceful knife carrying kid who just assaulted people is fine and was roughed up a bit.
I have no sympathy for anyone other than the man who’s life is in danger and lost his job , not the kid.
This week someone was stabbed too. Last night I had my balcony doors open and heard a cheerful exchange between two crack heads in the distance which involved threats to cut the other one up. Theft is out of control. I got a coffee from Greggs a couple of weeks ago and they were robbed twice while I was queuing and apparently once more just before. Staff stay behind their screens and don’t even react (quite rightly they don’t get paid to be security). The place is out of control it never used to be like this.
There are ZERO visible police on patrol in the town centre. ZERO. You cannot walk through the square without someone approaching you for a light (precursor to the £5 for somewhere to sleep tonight), straight begging or just crackheads screaming at each other. It’s 100% not safe for women to walk alone at night now. The gardens are usually home to large groups of gentlemen no doubt from the hotels that have been recently repurposed.
Police stay in their cars tackling driving offences and I can’t blame them. Much safer. If they are in a situation like this it’s more than likely a weapon could be used against them. Society expects them to be gentle when arresting a suspect.
Kids in particular are not scared of the police at all - I cannot help but feel sorry for that policeman who with the adrenaline overreacted and was inappropriate. It’s made worse by what he is saying. Ultimately this young, peaceful knife carrying kid who just assaulted people is fine and was roughed up a bit.
I have no sympathy for anyone other than the man who’s life is in danger and lost his job , not the kid.
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