Peugeot 106 Rallye
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Hi everyone
Im after some advice please
I am looking at potentially buying a Peugeot 106 Rallye, Ive always wanted one but Ive not had a chance to own one until very recently. Ive always owned mostly modern cars such as 2015 Citigo, 2016 Fabia, 2011 Scirocco R, 2013 Leon, 2018 MX5 etc etc... I am not a qualified mechanic by any stretch of the imagination but I have done some smaller jobs over the years such as changing oil and filter, coolant flushes, clean and grease brakes, PCV swaps, fuel filters, fuel pumps, window regulators etc etc
My current car is a very reliable 2019 MX5, I drive very little at the moment as I mostly WFH with one day in the office. My partner does have a 2018 Mazda 6 which we use more often than not for any other duties so the 106 would be a once a week drive to the office, once a week drive to the shops and a nice weekend blast every once in a while.
Particular 106 Im looking at has passed almost every MOT since 2006, but has needed welding in 2019. Alao been owned by the same person for 20 years.
My questions are -
Is the 106 Rallye mechanically as reliable as it seems?
If I keep on top of it and service it every 6 months as I do my other cars how likely is to give me trouble?
Being an older car, I expect at some point it will need more involved work, is there any Peugeot specialist recommended?
Ive convinced myself this is the time to buy a Rallye, but I am also terrified that it will be unreliable, a nightmare to find parts and Ill have no community to lean on for advice
All advice and opinions are welcome, thank you
Im after some advice please
I am looking at potentially buying a Peugeot 106 Rallye, Ive always wanted one but Ive not had a chance to own one until very recently. Ive always owned mostly modern cars such as 2015 Citigo, 2016 Fabia, 2011 Scirocco R, 2013 Leon, 2018 MX5 etc etc... I am not a qualified mechanic by any stretch of the imagination but I have done some smaller jobs over the years such as changing oil and filter, coolant flushes, clean and grease brakes, PCV swaps, fuel filters, fuel pumps, window regulators etc etc
My current car is a very reliable 2019 MX5, I drive very little at the moment as I mostly WFH with one day in the office. My partner does have a 2018 Mazda 6 which we use more often than not for any other duties so the 106 would be a once a week drive to the office, once a week drive to the shops and a nice weekend blast every once in a while.
Particular 106 Im looking at has passed almost every MOT since 2006, but has needed welding in 2019. Alao been owned by the same person for 20 years.
My questions are -
Is the 106 Rallye mechanically as reliable as it seems?
If I keep on top of it and service it every 6 months as I do my other cars how likely is to give me trouble?
Being an older car, I expect at some point it will need more involved work, is there any Peugeot specialist recommended?
Ive convinced myself this is the time to buy a Rallye, but I am also terrified that it will be unreliable, a nightmare to find parts and Ill have no community to lean on for advice
All advice and opinions are welcome, thank you
S1 or S2? They're quite different cars.
No experience with S1s, but they're old cars now. The TU engine has a good rep in general. Probably the more valuable car and more special. Not as much torque, but revs higher.
Rust in the rear arches/boot edges is classic but they can rust everywhere, including under the arch covers. Rear subframe bushes and torsion bar bearings wear out. Brakes on the S2 and GTI aren't amazing IME, and need to be serviced well (or upgraded). Gear selector bushings go and it ends up like stirring custard in a welly. Interior fixtures and fittings are cheap and flimsy, and the front seats can wear badly and feel cheap. The Rallye benefits from not having the leather seats of the GTI, nor as many electrical systems.
No experience with S1s, but they're old cars now. The TU engine has a good rep in general. Probably the more valuable car and more special. Not as much torque, but revs higher.
Rust in the rear arches/boot edges is classic but they can rust everywhere, including under the arch covers. Rear subframe bushes and torsion bar bearings wear out. Brakes on the S2 and GTI aren't amazing IME, and need to be serviced well (or upgraded). Gear selector bushings go and it ends up like stirring custard in a welly. Interior fixtures and fittings are cheap and flimsy, and the front seats can wear badly and feel cheap. The Rallye benefits from not having the leather seats of the GTI, nor as many electrical systems.
What year of Rallye is it?
Both S1 and S2 Rallyes are very reliable cars - the Peugeot TU engine and MA gearbox are pretty robust.
The biggest issue is with rust, but it's easily sorted. The common spots are the inner arches in the engine bay (under the ECU and fuse box), the chassis gussets at the front just inboard of the jacking points (usually because they're jacked up at garages on them in error), and some of the seams in the boot floor.
Again all easy fixes, and well known.
I absolutely loved my S2 Rallye to bits, and wouldn't hesitate to have one again.
If you do buy one make sure it's got the original engine and gearbox - the diff is different in them to the other 106 models, and rare as hen's teeth if it's not right.
Edit:
The biggest job that you could face would be refurbishing the rear beam - they are available to buy refurbed as a complete axle, which is an easy swap, or you can DIY it with some effort.
Both S1 and S2 Rallyes are very reliable cars - the Peugeot TU engine and MA gearbox are pretty robust.
The biggest issue is with rust, but it's easily sorted. The common spots are the inner arches in the engine bay (under the ECU and fuse box), the chassis gussets at the front just inboard of the jacking points (usually because they're jacked up at garages on them in error), and some of the seams in the boot floor.
Again all easy fixes, and well known.
I absolutely loved my S2 Rallye to bits, and wouldn't hesitate to have one again.
If you do buy one make sure it's got the original engine and gearbox - the diff is different in them to the other 106 models, and rare as hen's teeth if it's not right.
Edit:
The biggest job that you could face would be refurbishing the rear beam - they are available to buy refurbed as a complete axle, which is an easy swap, or you can DIY it with some effort.
Edited by Krikkit on Thursday 3rd July 12:31
bangerhoarder said:
S1 or S2? They're quite different cars.
No experience with S1s, but they're old cars now. The TU engine has a good rep in general. Probably the more valuable car and more special. Not as much torque, but revs higher.
Rust in the rear arches/boot edges is classic but they can rust everywhere, including under the arch covers. Rear subframe bushes and torsion bar bearings wear out. Brakes on the S2 and GTI aren't amazing IME, and need to be serviced well (or upgraded). Gear selector bushings go and it ends up like stirring custard in a welly. Interior fixtures and fittings are cheap and flimsy, and the front seats can wear badly and feel cheap. The Rallye benefits from not having the leather seats of the GTI, nor as many electrical systems.
Thank you very much for your inputs. No experience with S1s, but they're old cars now. The TU engine has a good rep in general. Probably the more valuable car and more special. Not as much torque, but revs higher.
Rust in the rear arches/boot edges is classic but they can rust everywhere, including under the arch covers. Rear subframe bushes and torsion bar bearings wear out. Brakes on the S2 and GTI aren't amazing IME, and need to be serviced well (or upgraded). Gear selector bushings go and it ends up like stirring custard in a welly. Interior fixtures and fittings are cheap and flimsy, and the front seats can wear badly and feel cheap. The Rallye benefits from not having the leather seats of the GTI, nor as many electrical systems.
S1 would be my preference and theres 2 I'm currently considering
I very much like the simplicity ethos of the Rallye thats for sure, I'm fairly familiar with Peugeot interiors of the era, my dad had 2 309s
Krikkit said:
What year of Rallye is it?
Both S1 and S2 Rallyes are very reliable cars - the Peugeot TU engine and MA gearbox are pretty robust.
The biggest issue is with rust, but it's easily sorted. The common spots are the inner arches in the engine bay (under the ECU and fuse box), the chassis gussets at the front just inboard of the jacking points (usually because they're jacked up at garages on them in error), and some of the seams in the boot floor.
Again all easy fixes, and well known.
I absolutely loved my S2 Rallye to bits, and wouldn't hesitate to have one again.
If you do buy one make sure it's got the original engine and gearbox - the diff is different in them to the other 106 models, and rare as hen's teeth if it's not right.
Edit:
The biggest job that you could face would be refurbishing the rear beam - they are available to buy refurbed as a complete axle, which is an easy swap, or you can DIY it with some effort.
Thank you very much for your insights. Both S1 and S2 Rallyes are very reliable cars - the Peugeot TU engine and MA gearbox are pretty robust.
The biggest issue is with rust, but it's easily sorted. The common spots are the inner arches in the engine bay (under the ECU and fuse box), the chassis gussets at the front just inboard of the jacking points (usually because they're jacked up at garages on them in error), and some of the seams in the boot floor.
Again all easy fixes, and well known.
I absolutely loved my S2 Rallye to bits, and wouldn't hesitate to have one again.
If you do buy one make sure it's got the original engine and gearbox - the diff is different in them to the other 106 models, and rare as hen's teeth if it's not right.
Edit:
The biggest job that you could face would be refurbishing the rear beam - they are available to buy refurbed as a complete axle, which is an easy swap, or you can DIY it with some effort.
Edited by Krikkit on Thursday 3rd July 12:31
1994 S1 is my preferred one - I certainly can't seem to find much about them being unreliable, quite the opposite actually but I suppose with them being so old there is some anxiety around will I be able to find parts and/or someone who is willing to work on it (and do a decent job!)
I've noticed some chatter around rear beams on the 106/Saxo community - I suppose if its a DIY possible thing perhaps any half capable workshop would be able to do it right?
I am all for DIY'ing myself, but sometimes things break at inopportune times unfortunately - I'd rather be prepared for worst case scenario you know
A couple of years ago I reminisced and got close to one of these. I did have some links saved although a few are dead/404s now.
http://rallyeregister.co.uk/buyersguide.htm
https://www.hagerty.co.uk/articles/our-classics/ou...
And for amusement when they weren't priced as a modern classic
https://www.evo.co.uk/peugeot/207/14066/peugeot-10...
http://rallyeregister.co.uk/buyersguide.htm
https://www.hagerty.co.uk/articles/our-classics/ou...
And for amusement when they weren't priced as a modern classic
https://www.evo.co.uk/peugeot/207/14066/peugeot-10...
Fab1493 said:
Wow, I cant believe it was only 2013 when these were as cheap as that!!
I bought a S1 with a 16v conversion for £850 in 2013. Ran it for a year, did a couple of track days in it and sold it on for similar money. It was far from mint, but tidy enough for a used 19 year old car. This was just at the cusp of when a 16v conversion probably devalued it. Rust would be the biggest concern as with any old car. Mechanics are reliable and easily fixed, rust repairs can soon get out of hand, although I would imagine these fair better than a lot of other cars of similar age.
Rust and perished rubber would be the main concerns.
The fact it has been enthusiast owned for 20years might mean that the rust has been staved off. When the welding was required for MOT they may have done a mini restoration going beyond the minimum and getting everything rusty tidied up at once (I know I do this).
Check the history to assess the condition of the rubbers. Has it had arms/bushes/balljoints/ARB bushes replaced? Any mention of fuel lines/brake hoses etc in the history?
If I was going to buy one I'd want the enthusiast owned example like this with evidence of regular use over the one sitting in a shed on flat tyres but low mileage. They are pretty robust mechanically and parts are very easy to change, should be a good car on the info available.
The fact it has been enthusiast owned for 20years might mean that the rust has been staved off. When the welding was required for MOT they may have done a mini restoration going beyond the minimum and getting everything rusty tidied up at once (I know I do this).
Check the history to assess the condition of the rubbers. Has it had arms/bushes/balljoints/ARB bushes replaced? Any mention of fuel lines/brake hoses etc in the history?
If I was going to buy one I'd want the enthusiast owned example like this with evidence of regular use over the one sitting in a shed on flat tyres but low mileage. They are pretty robust mechanically and parts are very easy to change, should be a good car on the info available.
Decky_Q said:
Rust and perished rubber would be the main concerns.
The fact it has been enthusiast owned for 20years might mean that the rust has been staved off. When the welding was required for MOT they may have done a mini restoration going beyond the minimum and getting everything rusty tidied up at once (I know I do this).
Check the history to assess the condition of the rubbers. Has it had arms/bushes/balljoints/ARB bushes replaced? Any mention of fuel lines/brake hoses etc in the history?
If I was going to buy one I'd want the enthusiast owned example like this with evidence of regular use over the one sitting in a shed on flat tyres but low mileage. They are pretty robust mechanically and parts are very easy to change, should be a good car on the info available.
I agree with buying something regularly used as opposed to something super low mileage - I learned that the hard way! bought a 10 year old car with 18k miles on it, but I wanted to drive it and enjoy it. As soon as it started getting driven regularly, not abused by any means, I was very gentle as I was aware of the age of the components, but a bunch of issues started happening and items failing etc etc and it just became more of a pain then a pleasure to be honest. The fact it has been enthusiast owned for 20years might mean that the rust has been staved off. When the welding was required for MOT they may have done a mini restoration going beyond the minimum and getting everything rusty tidied up at once (I know I do this).
Check the history to assess the condition of the rubbers. Has it had arms/bushes/balljoints/ARB bushes replaced? Any mention of fuel lines/brake hoses etc in the history?
If I was going to buy one I'd want the enthusiast owned example like this with evidence of regular use over the one sitting in a shed on flat tyres but low mileage. They are pretty robust mechanically and parts are very easy to change, should be a good car on the info available.
Regardless, seems like this isnt going ahead unfortunately. The one I am really keen on is on car and classic through some type of auction and so they dont provide sellers details until an offer has been accepted. There is one other S1 Rallye but that has a weird interior (which I'm fairly certain wasnt an option on the Rallyes as there was hardly anything you could option back then) and the history seems a bit odd, they mention an odometer change, but the MOT history shows the mileage going backwards on two different occasions, I dont know, just doesnt seem quite as nice.
I appreciate everyone for taking the time though, thank you very much everyone
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