RE: Compact, manual coupes | Six of the Best

RE: Compact, manual coupes | Six of the Best

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Compact, manual coupes | Six of the Best

BMW reminded us this week that smaller is better. Especially when it comes to cars that almost no one builds


BMW M2 Competition, 2018, 29k, PH Auction

You’ve probably seen the news this week that the very latest BMW M2, the 530hp CS, has claimed a new record for compact cars at the Nurburgring. While the classification is clearly quite, er, accommodating, there’s little arguing with comfortably less than seven and a half minutes around the North Loop from an everyday performance car. All that being said, it’s sad not to see a manual in the CS, given we are approaching the end of purely combustion M cars; what would be lost in lap time would be more than recouped in driver reward. Maybe it’s to follow. Until then, take a look at this - a Competition version of the previous, F87 era M2, with the rarely specced six-speed manual. You can’t say BMW hasn't given people what they want with more autos. This Comp has just one previous owner, less than 30,000 miles and a full service history. Plenty more where that came from, too. 

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Nissan 370Z, 2016, 19k, £22,690

While never the most sophisticated front-engined, rear-drive car in the world, the Nissan 370Z’s relatively old-school approach to the compact coupe was not without appeal. Especially now, in fact, with the replacement not offered in Europe and the market for new two-door models basically non-existent. Muscular good looks, the brawny six-speed manual and the response of a naturally aspirated six seem more charming than ever. In theory, time will have made the Nissan’s flaws harder to overlook as well; certainly it’ll be no cheaper to fuel and tax a 3.7 V6 in 2025. But those who miss buttons as well as gearstick in centre consoles will be very happy because the Zed is peppered with them. There are even a few for some kind of disc player. This is about as good as 370s get in 2025, with fewer than 20k and GT spec gaining the Rays forged wheels.    

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VW Scirocco R, 2017, 56k, £14,990

An easy one to forget about, the Scirocco, given the abundance of Golf Rs and GTIs around. We tend to prefer hot hatches to coupes in the UK, and nowhere is that better evidenced than in how few ‘Roccos there are compared to Golfs. Shame - this looks way more interesting. And the R was a particularly curious offering; despite the badge it wasn’t four-wheel drive, meaning a decent weight saving to benefit efficiency and handling. Yet to do some justice to the moniker, the Scirorro R was usefully more powerful than the regular 2.0 TSI - up to 280hp by the end, making it one of the most powerful front-drive Volkswagens ever along with the later Clubsport Golfs. The R should still be lovely to drive, as so much of the recent past now seems to be, and comes with the kind of interior to make a Mk8 Golf owner Viper Green with envy. A nice way to spend £15k, for sure.

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Toyota GR Supra, 2022, 5k, £46,995

Another less spotted six-speed thanks to a very good auto, the manual really was the making of this Supra. It’s a shame that more folk didn’t get to experience it before the car went off sale. The standard automatic was very good, because that ZF eight-speed is pretty much wherever it goes, though it didn’t help the generally aloof feel of the car. For all Toyota’s claims of sports car credentials, the A90 Supra never quite communicated how you really wanted it to. The manual arguably played better to its sports GT vibe, mandating a more measured, deliberate approach. It was a decent shift, too, Toyota investing some effort in getting the weight of the throw sorted. This MT has only covered 5k and looks great in Dawn Blue. 

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Alfa Romeo GTV Cup, 2002, 61k, £23,995

Hard though it might be to get your head around, the GTV and Spider are now very much the modern classic Alfa Romeo offering. The 916 generation was launched more than 30 years ago and went off sale in 2005; for a taste of traditional Italian two-door, they’re now the cars to turn to. Albeit with prices now to reflect their status: the days of Shed-spec Spiders and GTVs are done, as rust or poor maintenance has claimed the worst ones. Now £5k is the entry point, with £10,000 and upwards buying the good 'uns. Then there’s the Cup, as this one is; with just 155 RHD cars made as part of a run to celebrate the one-make race series, all came with the Busso V6 and smart bodykit. They’re now highly prized, as more than £20k for this one shows. Still, small coupes have seldom looked (or sounded) better. 

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Audi TT Quattro Sport, 2005, 41k, £14,995

We had to have a TT here. Across every generation the Audi coupe was smartly styled, pleasingly compact and always had a manual available. This actually makes choosing one quite hard, given there were six-speed TTs with the VR6, the inimitable turbo five, and the later 2.0-litre TFSI with more than 300hp. But the Quattro Sport is pretty hard to overlook, given it’s as close to a properly focused TT as ever existed from the factory. Audi removed the rear seats, fitted some stunning Recaro chairs up front, and massaged 240hp from the 1.8-litre turbo. It was and remains the most desirable version of the original. This is one of the 800, and benefits from a few additional tweaks - Bilstein suspension, Scorpion exhaust, Forge intercooler - over the standard spec. Still with just 41,000 miles, it looks a real gem.

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Original Poster:

228 posts

145 months

Yesterday (06:16)
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Nice selection. Miss my GTV V6...sold it a few years back....was great to drive with a lovely soundtrack...had the Q2 SMF etc parts were getting extinct and with the belts etc i bailed out after 7yrs.

£23k for a Cup is hard to stomach especially as it is no different to the standard bar a slightly different body kit stick on badges...oh and a multitude of varying shades of pink panels (as per this example...I wouldn't pay it

GreatScott2016

1,864 posts

103 months

Yesterday (06:38)
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Agree, nice collection but standout for me is the M2 smile

Billy_Whizzzz

2,358 posts

158 months

Yesterday (06:51)
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A Scirocco isn’t a coupé. It’s a hatch.

wistec1

620 posts

56 months

Yesterday (07:05)
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M2 would be the car for me but it's the wrong colour and the Alfa cup looks a bit pricey.

chirurgus

332 posts

231 months

Yesterday (07:58)
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I’m biased, but there are better options:





chirurgus

332 posts

231 months

Yesterday (08:04)
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And if you don’t like that, how about this:



86wasagoodyear

723 posts

111 months

Yesterday (08:12)
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Got to be the 916 from these, although if I were actually in the market for one I'd go for a much cheaper & better-handling 2.0 TS.

martin12345

760 posts

104 months

Yesterday (08:23)
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Out of interest. How is a Coupe defined ?
When is a 3 door hatch a coupe and when is a Coupe a sports car ?

Just to provoke the point, Why is a GR Yaris called a hot hatch and not a Coupe (and yet a Scirocco and an Audi TT is)

- Bespoke 2 door body
- (relatively) low roof height at the rear
- Sportier than the base car

It seems that the choice is more about how the OEM wants to market the car and not about any proper definition


Words of wisdom please

A.Norton

825 posts

52 months

Yesterday (08:25)
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M2 for me,

370z has dated badly and a difficult car to like..



Its Just Adz

16,221 posts

224 months

Yesterday (08:32)
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M2 Comp for me.

That Alfa looks very expensive, as does the TT. I'm sure they were like £5k not long ago.

SpudLink

7,091 posts

207 months

Yesterday (08:36)
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martin12345 said:
Out of interest. How is a Coupe defined ?
When is a 3 door hatch a coupe and when is a Coupe a sports car ?

Just to provoke the point, Why is a GR Yaris called a hot hatch and not a Coupe (and yet a Scirocco and an Audi TT is)

- Bespoke 2 door body
- (relatively) low roof height at the rear
- Sportier than the base car

It seems that the choice is more about how the OEM wants to market the car and not about any proper definition


Words of wisdom please
This is a question I first pondered when BMW referred to the 2 door E36 3 series as a coupe. To my mind it was obviously a 2 door saloon, with the marketing team playing fast and loose with the description.
Over the decades I’ve accepted the lines between defined categories is blurred. Maybe it’s like trying to define the difference between art and pornography. Difficult to define, but you know it when you see it.

Firebobby

819 posts

54 months

Yesterday (08:43)
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martin12345 said:
Out of interest. How is a Coupe defined ?
When is a 3 door hatch a coupe and when is a Coupe a sports car ?

Just to provoke the point, Why is a GR Yaris called a hot hatch and not a Coupe (and yet a Scirocco and an Audi TT is)

- Bespoke 2 door body
- (relatively) low roof height at the rear
- Sportier than the base car

It seems that the choice is more about how the OEM wants to market the car and not about any proper definition


Words of wisdom please
OED definitive answer.
kuˈpeɪ/ , /kup/ ) a car with two doors and usually a sloping back.

WillieEckerslike

43 posts

31 months

Yesterday (09:02)
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SpudLink said:
This is a question I first pondered when BMW referred to the 2 door E36 3 series as a coupe. To my mind it was obviously a 2 door saloon, with the marketing team playing fast and loose with the description.
Over the decades I ve accepted the lines between defined categories is blurred. Maybe it s like trying to define the difference between art and pornography. Difficult to define, but you know it when you see it.
This. I seem to recall the previous E30 was a two door saloon, and a premium was charged for the four door variant. Then the Marketeers worked out that if they called the two door a coupe, then they could charge more than the four door. Genius!

dunnoreally

1,285 posts

123 months

Yesterday (09:02)
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martin12345 said:
Out of interest. How is a Coupe defined ?
When is a 3 door hatch a coupe and when is a Coupe a sports car ?

Just to provoke the point, Why is a GR Yaris called a hot hatch and not a Coupe (and yet a Scirocco and an Audi TT is)

- Bespoke 2 door body
- (relatively) low roof height at the rear
- Sportier than the base car

It seems that the choice is more about how the OEM wants to market the car and not about any proper definition


Words of wisdom please
Those words aren't precisely defined. Every car person uses them slightly differently, and that leads to constant arguments in less moderated places than this. Whether a Mustang or MX-5 or anything front wheel drive is a sports car, or a Scirocco or Mazda RX8 or something like a Seat Ibiza SC is a coupé, is something no-one can quite agree on.

Sure you can point to definitions from various supposedly authoritative sources, but those sources only get to be right for as long as that's how people actually use the words, and lots of them are vague and conflict with each other. For example given the number of "4-door coupés" on the market, the industry clearly disagrees with the OED!

I don't know what the answer is, but the question shows a lot of interesting stuff about how we use language, I think.

fflump

2,326 posts

53 months

Yesterday (09:08)
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chirurgus said:
And if you don t like that, how about this:


What? A sports car?

MarkosGTV

94 posts

205 months

Yesterday (09:08)
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Agree with some of the comments above: the Z4M Coupe is a fantastic option for quite reasonable money (never loved the gearbox as was notchy between 1 and 2), and also agree about the GTV Cup: I never actually liked the look of these compared to a regular Aero-kitted GTV.

cerb4.5lee

37,110 posts

195 months

Yesterday (09:19)
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I'm obviously biased, but I'm a big fan of the manual 370Z. I really like the M2, but with my own money I'd buy the M4(which I did albeit with the DCT). I'd also absolutely love the current manual Supra as well. cool

Mark_Blanchard

941 posts

270 months

Yesterday (09:45)
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Alfa for me, lovely looking Pininfarina design, price is a bit high though. Can’t believe they’re 30 years old now.

fflump

2,326 posts

53 months

Yesterday (09:49)
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Mark_Blanchard said:
Alfa for me, lovely looking Pininfarina design, price is a bit high though. Can t believe they re 30 years old now.
Low mileage “standard” V6 versions can easily be found for around half the price and pretty good value.

andy43

11,521 posts

269 months

Yesterday (09:52)
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Also add Z4 / Z3M coupes, the quite rare F Type manual and the TVR T350.
I’d go Z3M - they’re fantastic little things and they’re only going one way in value.