Dont Miss.... Ross Kemp On Afghanistan

Dont Miss.... Ross Kemp On Afghanistan

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r5gttgaz

7,897 posts

203 months

Tuesday 22nd January 2008
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Trommel said:
I hear that he likes "soldiers". Allegedly. I heard that was (allegedly) why the wife hit him and left him.
Bummer.

Simpo Two

80,468 posts

248 months

Tuesday 22nd January 2008
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I can't forgive the lard-but-hard-looking actor for supporting Labour at one of the elections. Turned out he had no idea about politics, he just did it for the money. Git.

moleamol

15,887 posts

246 months

Tuesday 22nd January 2008
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I really wanted to see this but at the moment only have access to freeview. I'll have to wait until it's on Sky Three in about 15 years. Not sure why so many here dislike him so much.

escargot

17,080 posts

200 months

Tuesday 22nd January 2008
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It was a great first episode. Repeated tonight on Sky Two for those who missed it.

Fanny Haddock

172 posts

184 months

Tuesday 22nd January 2008
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I couldn't watch it as don't have Sky 2 frown

Son was deployed in Afghanistan while Mr Kemp was over there though, said that he was very down to earth, spent time chatting to the privates (as in the younger lads like my son rather than soldiers' genitalia) and was an all round likable guy.

I did ask if my lad could bring him home but that was a no go. Sigh. frown

The Hypno-Toad

11,507 posts

188 months

Tuesday 22nd January 2008
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Not sure about Mr Kemp

Article in the times this week quoted him as saying that during his basic training for the Afghanistan mission the instructors "took the mick out of him for the god awful SAS programme I was in, Ultimate Force,"

Errrr...... would that be the same Ultimate Force programme you were Executive Producer on then, Ross?

moleamol

15,887 posts

246 months

Tuesday 22nd January 2008
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The Hypno-Toad said:
Not sure about Mr Kemp

Article in the times this week quoted him as saying that during his basic training for the Afghanistan mission the instructors "took the mick out of him for the god awful SAS programme I was in, Ultimate Force,"

Errrr...... would that be the same Ultimate Force programme you were Executive Producer on then, Ross?
Yeah, honesty is rubbish.

escargot

17,080 posts

200 months

Tuesday 22nd January 2008
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The Hypno-Toad said:
Not sure about Mr Kemp

Article in the times this week quoted him as saying that during his basic training for the Afghanistan mission the instructors "took the mick out of him for the god awful SAS programme I was in, Ultimate Force,"

Errrr...... would that be the same Ultimate Force programme you were Executive Producer on then, Ross?
Hang on, i've spotted another nit for you to pick!

schuey

704 posts

193 months

Tuesday 22nd January 2008
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The Hypno-Toad said:
Not sure about Mr Kemp

Article in the times this week quoted him as saying that during his basic training for the Afghanistan mission the instructors "took the mick out of him for the god awful SAS programme I was in, Ultimate Force,"

Errrr...... would that be the same Ultimate Force programme you were Executive Producer on then, Ross?
I noticed he got some pi$$ taking on the range when they gave out the scores. "SAS my arse" laugh

grand cherokee

2,432 posts

182 months

Thursday 24th January 2008
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can't believe some of the crap on the weapons traing!

bayonet - '...thats the blood groove....' - maybe makes good tv viewing but is untrue!


its called a 'fuller' and is added to a blade to reduce weight and stiffen the blade - made during the founding of the blade not ground out later

even wiki says its 19th century romantic myth with no basis in fact!

and on the range was given a rifle with something along the lines of its not sighted for you but in combat you have to grab the nearest weapon - weapons sighting is a ballistic exercise the only personal touch is the focus ring

best zero/sighting is done on a bench rest - no human contact

i've years of experience with rifles and i've picked up other peoples rifles and been as accurate as they are - do you think a professional deerstalker re-sights his rifle every day to suit each client

FlossyThePig

4,043 posts

226 months

Thursday 24th January 2008
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mechsympathy said:
Eric Mc said:
Denied to me by Mr Branson.
Likewise. No doubt it'll turn up on Dave at some point.
I didn't realise he had so much power, stopping you attaching a Murdoch dustbin lid to your abode.

Tony*T3

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19,153 posts

230 months

Thursday 24th January 2008
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grand cherokee said:
can't believe some of the crap on the weapons traing!

bayonet - '...thats the blood groove....' - maybe makes good tv viewing but is untrue!


its called a 'fuller' and is added to a blade to reduce weight and stiffen the blade - made during the founding of the blade not ground out later

even wiki says its 19th century romantic myth with no basis in fact!

and on the range was given a rifle with something along the lines of its not sighted for you but in combat you have to grab the nearest weapon - weapons sighting is a ballistic exercise the only personal touch is the focus ring

best zero/sighting is done on a bench rest - no human contact

i've years of experience with rifles and i've picked up other peoples rifles and been as accurate as they are - do you think a professional deerstalker re-sights his rifle every day to suit each client
This isnt reffering to sightening of the actual weapon to the sights, its about sighting the weapon to the person holding it.

Everyone is built different, everyone holds the rifle slightly different, and everyone shoots slightly different.

They were refferring to zeroing the weapon to the indevidual holdong it. DOnt say this is rubbish, as most of us that have been in the forces have had to do it regularly, especially if you are not issued a personal weapon. It makes a real difference when put into practice.


As for your insistance that bayonet tyoe knives have no such thing as a 'blood groove' well, just about every serious knife maker lists such a feature on its military knife models. Its what I was taught it was 20 years ago in the military too. The blood groove is a patented feature on most military knives.


Edited by Tony*T3 on Thursday 24th January 14:06


Edited by Tony*T3 on Thursday 24th January 14:14

grand cherokee

2,432 posts

182 months

Thursday 24th January 2008
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Tony*T3 said:
grand cherokee said:
can't believe some of the crap on the weapons traing!

bayonet - '...thats the blood groove....' - maybe makes good tv viewing but is untrue!


its called a 'fuller' and is added to a blade to reduce weight and stiffen the blade - made during the founding of the blade not ground out later

even wiki says its 19th century romantic myth with no basis in fact!

and on the range was given a rifle with something along the lines of its not sighted for you but in combat you have to grab the nearest weapon - weapons sighting is a ballistic exercise the only personal touch is the focus ring

best zero/sighting is done on a bench rest - no human contact

i've years of experience with rifles and i've picked up other peoples rifles and been as accurate as they are - do you think a professional deerstalker re-sights his rifle every day to suit each client
This isnt reffering to sightening of the actual weapon to the sights, its about sighting the weapon to the person holding it.

Everyone is built different, everyone holds the rifle slightly different, and everyone shoots slightly different.

They were refferring to zeroing the weapon to the indevidual holdong it. DOnt say this is rubbish, as most of us that have been in the forces have had to do it regularly, especially if you are not issued a personal weapon. It makes a real difference when put into practice.


Edited by Tony*T3 on Thursday 24th January 14:06
sorry but your wrong

the blood groove is urban myth - even check the ka bar site!

why do butchers knives not have a blood groove? -- the Japanese who are the worlds best knife makes never used one with the katana??

regardless of how you hold the weapon - the cross hairs are where the round impacts - does the army now produce left handed stocks?

as i said bench zeroing is the best - anybody can pick up said weapon and hit the target - if they can aim!!

if a weapon shoots 3" high for you it will still shoot 3" high for me - simple ballistics

as i said i have taken hundreds of people deerstalking and NEVER adjusted the rifle for them - yet they hit the 'beasty' at distances a squaddie can only dream about!

Edited by grand cherokee on Thursday 24th January 14:20


Edited by grand cherokee on Thursday 24th January 14:22

escargot

17,080 posts

200 months

Thursday 24th January 2008
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Probably down to the 40x optical sight they use.

Tony*T3

Original Poster:

19,153 posts

230 months

Thursday 24th January 2008
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grand cherokee said:
Tony*T3 said:
grand cherokee said:
can't believe some of the crap on the weapons traing!

bayonet - '...thats the blood groove....' - maybe makes good tv viewing but is untrue!


its called a 'fuller' and is added to a blade to reduce weight and stiffen the blade - made during the founding of the blade not ground out later

even wiki says its 19th century romantic myth with no basis in fact!

and on the range was given a rifle with something along the lines of its not sighted for you but in combat you have to grab the nearest weapon - weapons sighting is a ballistic exercise the only personal touch is the focus ring

best zero/sighting is done on a bench rest - no human contact

i've years of experience with rifles and i've picked up other peoples rifles and been as accurate as they are - do you think a professional deerstalker re-sights his rifle every day to suit each client
This isnt reffering to sightening of the actual weapon to the sights, its about sighting the weapon to the person holding it.

Everyone is built different, everyone holds the rifle slightly different, and everyone shoots slightly different.

They were refferring to zeroing the weapon to the indevidual holdong it. DOnt say this is rubbish, as most of us that have been in the forces have had to do it regularly, especially if you are not issued a personal weapon. It makes a real difference when put into practice.


Edited by Tony*T3 on Thursday 24th January 14:06
sorry but your wrong

regardless of how you hold the weapon - the cross hairs are where the round impacts - does the army no produce left handed stocks?

as i said bench zeroing is the best - anybody can pick up said weapon and hit the target - if they can aim!!

if a weapon shoots 3" high for you it will still shoot 3" high for me - simple ballistics

as i said i have taken hundreds of people deerstalking and NEVER adjusted the rifle for them - yet they hit the 'beasty' at distances a sqaddy can only dream about!
No, I'm not wrong. I'm not talking about 'deerstalking' and neither were the army. I've 15 years in the military, being handed weapons that for me will hit the target 5 inches high, for a collegue will hit a target 3 inches right, for another 5 inches low. Everyone holds the rifle (SA80 in this case) slightly differently, looks through the sight slightly differntly etc. With minor adjustments the rear sight is moved to bring the grouping onto the target correctly.

You shot a deer - would the round have hit the same impact point of the deer whether you, me, or any of your person firing the same rifle? How do you know, does the deer stand there dead still whilst you all shot a the same one inch square white patch?

10's of thousands of rounds a MONTH are used on the ranges of the British forces to achive this - perhpas you would like to go tell the military that all along they were wrong and you were right. Would save us all a fortune.


Why the cheap 'shot' at what a squaddie can do or not? Some of the est shots in britain are in the army, they arent shooting bambie for fun and entertainment, they are either practicing for combat or shooting atthe enemy. Would love to see you do it. Or perhaps you did, back in 'Nam....?

((chelte'Nam))

Tony*T3

Original Poster:

19,153 posts

230 months

Thursday 24th January 2008
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grand cherokee said:
why do butchers knives not have a blood groove? -- the Japanese who are the worlds best knife makes never used one with the katana??
Why would a butcher require a 'blood groove' in a knife? Do butchers usually sneak up on their 'victims', and does it matter if theres a sound as the knife is withdrawn?

I do agree however that this might well all be 'urban legend', however, in the context of the TV program, it was true, as its what is beleived by the army. Perhaps they should all look it up on Wikipedia too.

grand cherokee

2,432 posts

182 months

Thursday 24th January 2008
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i'll leave it to you

but i used to go to the range every morning with new 'clients' and if they could aim they hit the target with my rifle without any adjustment apart from the focus ring

btw - many professional deerstalkers have been employed by the army as sniper instructors - the wind and landscape found in the Highlands has proven to be the best training ground in the country

but i wonder why the kill ratio to rounds used is so low?

must be the blood groove blocking their view?



Edited by grand cherokee on Thursday 24th January 14:39

Tony*T3

Original Poster:

19,153 posts

230 months

Thursday 24th January 2008
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grand cherokee said:
i'll leave it to you

but i used to go to the range every morning with new 'clients' and if they could aim they hit the target with my rifle without any adjustment apart from the focus ring

Edited by grand cherokee on Thursday 24th January 14:39
That would be because of a competent instructor with a reasonably intelligent pupil that listens well, using a proper precision rifle thats properly set up for the job.


Have you ever fired the SA80?

grand cherokee

2,432 posts

182 months

Thursday 24th January 2008
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Tony*T3 said:
grand cherokee said:
i'll leave it to you

but i used to go to the range every morning with new 'clients' and if they could aim they hit the target with my rifle without any adjustment apart from the focus ring

Edited by grand cherokee on Thursday 24th January 14:39
That would be because of a competent instructor with a reasonably intelligent pupil that listens well, using a proper precision rifle thats properly set up for the job.


Have you ever fired the SA80?
not SA 80 - but M16/A1 - Ak 47/74 - Barrett - FN - Royal Enfield 303 - Bren - Accuracy International rifles - old side by side big game rifles!!

need i go on?

also used out of the box loads - match loads - custom loads!!

Edited by grand cherokee on Thursday 24th January 14:55

wokkadriver

695 posts

225 months

Thursday 24th January 2008
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Tony*T3 said:
grand cherokee said:
Tony*T3 said:
grand cherokee said:
can't believe some of the crap on the weapons traing!

bayonet - '...thats the blood groove....' - maybe makes good tv viewing but is untrue!


its called a 'fuller' and is added to a blade to reduce weight and stiffen the blade - made during the founding of the blade not ground out later

even wiki says its 19th century romantic myth with no basis in fact!

and on the range was given a rifle with something along the lines of its not sighted for you but in combat you have to grab the nearest weapon - weapons sighting is a ballistic exercise the only personal touch is the focus ring

best zero/sighting is done on a bench rest - no human contact

i've years of experience with rifles and i've picked up other peoples rifles and been as accurate as they are - do you think a professional deerstalker re-sights his rifle every day to suit each client
This isnt reffering to sightening of the actual weapon to the sights, its about sighting the weapon to the person holding it.

Everyone is built different, everyone holds the rifle slightly different, and everyone shoots slightly different.

They were refferring to zeroing the weapon to the indevidual holdong it. DOnt say this is rubbish, as most of us that have been in the forces have had to do it regularly, especially if you are not issued a personal weapon. It makes a real difference when put into practice.


Edited by Tony*T3 on Thursday 24th January 14:06
sorry but your wrong

regardless of how you hold the weapon - the cross hairs are where the round impacts - does the army no produce left handed stocks?

as i said bench zeroing is the best - anybody can pick up said weapon and hit the target - if they can aim!!

if a weapon shoots 3" high for you it will still shoot 3" high for me - simple ballistics

as i said i have taken hundreds of people deerstalking and NEVER adjusted the rifle for them - yet they hit the 'beasty' at distances a sqaddy can only dream about!
No, I'm not wrong. I'm not talking about 'deerstalking' and neither were the army. I've 15 years in the military, being handed weapons that for me will hit the target 5 inches high, for a collegue will hit a target 3 inches right, for another 5 inches low. Everyone holds the rifle (SA80 in this case) slightly differently, looks through the sight slightly differntly etc. With minor adjustments the rear sight is moved to bring the grouping onto the target correctly.

You shot a deer - would the round have hit the same impact point of the deer whether you, me, or any of your person firing the same rifle? How do you know, does the deer stand there dead still whilst you all shot a the same one inch square white patch?

10's of thousands of rounds a MONTH are used on the ranges of the British forces to achive this - perhpas you would like to go tell the military that all along they were wrong and you were right. Would save us all a fortune.


Why the cheap 'shot' at what a squaddie can do or not? Some of the est shots in britain are in the army, they arent shooting bambie for fun and entertainment, they are either practicing for combat or shooting atthe enemy. Would love to see you do it. Or perhaps you did, back in 'Nam....?

((chelte'Nam))
Interesting stuff, gents -

FYI, blood grooves ARE necessary (in spite of what grand cherokee may have seen on the british knives collectors' site and wiki). The point being (no pun intended) Japanese blades, Ka Bars, butchers' knives etc are cutting weapons, not stabbing ones.

Deer stalking - unlikely to let off a round in excess of 150 to 200 yds, so your bench testing will be reasonable enough for the majority of cases. However, it would be a poor stalker indeed that would let someone loose on the hill without having fired 2 or 3 rounds before hand at a 'reasonable' distance.

Military firing - guys need to be able to drop individual targets at 300m and supression to 600m.

Furthermore, it is an observed fact that a rifle held with a sling WILL shoot to a different point than one rested on a wall, for example.