Heads up, Skylon may fly!

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s2art

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cazzer

8,883 posts

263 months

Thursday 19th February 2009
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They need to do a larger one...in green....with pods smile

The Black Flash

13,735 posts

213 months

Thursday 19th February 2009
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It's like being back in the late 70s/early 80s...

Good luck to 'em though smile

Einion Yrth

19,575 posts

259 months

Thursday 19th February 2009
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1m Euros won't go far.

s2art

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268 months

Thursday 19th February 2009
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Einion Yrth said:
1m Euros won't go far.
It all helps. Assuming they get good results then perhaps more funds will follow.
This is exactly the sort of project that I think the government should fund, maybe we should write to the Tories and suggest it as the sort of things Britain used to do, and should do again.

Eric Mc

123,930 posts

280 months

Thursday 19th February 2009
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Spoke to Alan Bond and his team at Farnborough Air Show two shows running now. They are very, very committed to this. Bond is a real engineering genius - sad that he's not that well known outside aerospace circles.

mrmaggit

10,146 posts

263 months

Thursday 19th February 2009
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Didn't Barnes Wallis design something like this in the 50's?

Marc W

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226 months

Thursday 19th February 2009
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Einion Yrth said:
1m Euros won't go far.
It does say further on in the story that it's part of a total investment of 6 million.

Mikeyboy

5,018 posts

250 months

Thursday 19th February 2009
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yes it will all help towards the end result but when you consider a used 737 is $53million it puts it all into perspective.
The money is more likely an award for engineering research rather than any meaningful step towards the future of Skylon.

I know I sound the pessimist but in this day and age unless a boeing, lockheed or BAE systems gets involved in these projects in a big way they just won't get anywhere, which is a real shame.

215cu

2,956 posts

225 months

Thursday 19th February 2009
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We had this with HOTOL too... a earth based satellite delivery system that doesn't need rockets....

I'm utterly amazed by British inventiveness and completely despair at the lack of investment. Estimated to have a £7bn development cost and we spent how many billions on ID Cards?

These are precisely the kind of industry killers we should be building in the UK.

Imagine these buggers launching satellites for tens of millions a pop making rockets obsolete. Versions that can bring proper space tourism. Delivering astronauts to space station.

Looking at LAPCAT2 - hypersonic travel. London to Sydney in five hours!!!!

s2art

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18,942 posts

268 months

Thursday 19th February 2009
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215cu said:
We had this with HOTOL too... a earth based satellite delivery system that doesn't need rockets....

I'm utterly amazed by British inventiveness and completely despair at the lack of investment. Estimated to have a £7bn development cost and we spent how many billions on ID Cards?

These are precisely the kind of industry killers we should be building in the UK.

Imagine these buggers launching satellites for tens of millions a pop making rockets obsolete. Versions that can bring proper space tourism. Delivering astronauts to space station.

Looking at LAPCAT2 - hypersonic travel. London to Sydney in five hours!!!!
Never mind 5 hours, this beast could do it in less than 2! (not knowing exactly how long it takes to get sub-orbital and back)

Eric Mc

123,930 posts

280 months

Thursday 19th February 2009
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Bond designd HOTOL too.

Skylon is the latest reincarantion of the HOTOL project.

mybrainhurts

90,809 posts

270 months

Thursday 19th February 2009
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Has anybody asked for George Monbiot's permission...?

215cu

2,956 posts

225 months

Friday 20th February 2009
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Eric Mc said:
Bond designd HOTOL too.

Skylon is the latest reincarantion of the HOTOL project.
I do remember, it's a shame the RB545 is classed as 'Top Secret', I imagine if the government backed this, it could be done. Love the website, it's got a touch of 'Thunderbirds' about it.

There are many mistakes made by the British Government in our approach to rocketry and aviation, none more so than Blue Streak/Black Arrow which for the time were advanced rockets developed on little more than change from behind the sofa.

Edited by 215cu on Friday 20th February 09:00

The Black Flash

13,735 posts

213 months

Friday 20th February 2009
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Eric Mc said:
Bond designd HOTOL too.

Skylon is the latest reincarantion of the HOTOL project.
Ah, that explains the sense of deja vu.
The man certainly has tenacity.

anonymous-user

69 months

Friday 20th February 2009
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Marc W said:
Einion Yrth said:
1m Euros won't go far.
It does say further on in the story that it's part of a total investment of 6 million.
it doesnt need to go far, it just needs to fund development of the heat exchanger. best way to do these things is in stages to prove the capability actually works rather than throwing a lot of cash at it in one go....

im

34,302 posts

232 months

Friday 20th February 2009
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215cu said:
We had this with HOTOL too... a earth based satellite delivery system that doesn't need rockets....

I'm utterly amazed by British inventiveness and completely despair at the lack of investment. Estimated to have a £7bn development cost and we spent how many billions on ID Cards?

These are precisely the kind of industry killers we should be building in the UK.

Imagine these buggers launching satellites for tens of millions a pop making rockets obsolete. Versions that can bring proper space tourism. Delivering astronauts to space station.

Looking at LAPCAT2 - hypersonic travel. London to Sydney in five hours!!!!
How do you (or anybody) know that the idea for HOTOL wasn't discarded because, after much research, it SIMPLY DIDN'T WORK - for whatever reason albeit financial or technological.

Ideas are great but if further investigation concludes that there is no merit in investing in the venture for whatever reason then it should die.

People/Corporations more clever than us with serious money wouldn't miss an opportunity to invest in something as innovative as these types of projects unless they simply weren't 'runners' in the real world.


mrmaggit

10,146 posts

263 months

Friday 20th February 2009
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im said:
215cu said:
We had this with HOTOL too... a earth based satellite delivery system that doesn't need rockets....

I'm utterly amazed by British inventiveness and completely despair at the lack of investment. Estimated to have a £7bn development cost and we spent how many billions on ID Cards?

These are precisely the kind of industry killers we should be building in the UK.

Imagine these buggers launching satellites for tens of millions a pop making rockets obsolete. Versions that can bring proper space tourism. Delivering astronauts to space station.

Looking at LAPCAT2 - hypersonic travel. London to Sydney in five hours!!!!
How do you (or anybody) know that the idea for HOTOL wasn't discarded because, after much research, it SIMPLY DIDN'T WORK - for whatever reason albeit financial or technological.

Ideas are great but if further investigation concludes that there is no merit in investing in the venture for whatever reason then it should die.

People/Corporations more clever than us with serious money wouldn't miss an opportunity to invest in something as innovative as these types of projects unless they simply weren't 'runners' in the real world.
Sorry, im but sometimes people in Corporations wouldn't know a good profitable idea if it ran them over. Some would, but many wouldn't. Remember the man who didn't sign The Beatles?

emicen

8,902 posts

233 months

Friday 20th February 2009
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Article said:
At high speeds, this requires Sabre cope with 1,000 degree gasses entering its intake. These need to be cooled prior to being compressed and burnt with the hydrogen.

Reaction Engines' breakthrough is a remarkable heat exchanger pre-cooler.

Arrays of extremely fine piping plunge the hot intake gases to minus 130C in just 100th of a second.
2 words spring to mind - bird strike.

Best of luck...

Don

28,378 posts

299 months

Friday 20th February 2009
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I so want this this project to succeed.

A real, working, British space-plane. Welcome to the future.

It's the stuff of boys own comics. The world would be a finer place if Skylon worked. There's also a chance with a real, working, cheap to launch space-plane we might actually succeed in building stuff in orbit that could get to interplanetary destinations.

We already know how to build atomic rockets - they didn't build 'em because of the fall out. Imagine one assembled in space.