Head urges lie-ins for teenagers

[stuart-b]

Teenage pupils should be given an extra two hours in bed to boost their learning abilities, a Tyneside head teacher has urged.

He said research showed allowing teenagers to begin lessons at 11am had a "profound impact" on learning.



http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/tyne/7932108.st...

Edited by stuart-b on Monday 9th March 14:15

[EDLT]

Nothing to do with them going to bed later and simply being tired then?

[Davi]

He's right, we shouldn't be depriving them of sleep. To fix this situation every parent should ensure their little stheads are stopped from standing on street corners drinking white lightning by 7pm at the very latest.

[TVR MAN]

EDLT said:

Nothing to do with them going to bed later and simply being tired then?

I think that may be large part.

At uni, instead of having classes at 9 like in school, I start at 11 each day. And I'm still absolutely fked in the morning when I get up two hours later having gone to bed two hours later. Last night I didn't go to bed until 5 a.m.!

But perhaps young people are "programmed" not to want to go to bed until later. Or mabye I am just attempting to validate my laziness.

[E31Shrew]

To give them the extra 2 hours perhaps they could go to bed 2 hours earlier. Looking forward to thousands of parents leaving work at 1100 to take little ones to school.....,

[Sciroccology]

I'll be sure to propose this to my boss tomorrow morning.

[stuart-b]

Absolutely ridiculous.

How many millions of students have had to face facts and go to fking bed early to be productive the next day?

So these kids after years of getting in for 11am will really be prepared for working life when they have to arrive at 8am?

Schools are a JOKE these days, and people like him need removing from their positions.

If the kids can't work out that going to bed at a reasonable time means they pass school, why would you want them working for you in a company?

Too much nannying going on, ps off.

[LukeBird]

I'm sure my employer would be most impressed if I had turned up at 9am for my shift instead of 7am..

fking twunts!

[Orb the Impaler]

What a load of old bks!

Not nearly so irritating as little middle-class darlings who take a "gap-year". Get a fking job you soap-dodging, idle s!

[Austin.J]

Haha, what a load of st, having left school just about 2 years ago, its just about the fact that at the time its fking wk, no other way to put it. Giving teenagers a lie in is a truly fking ridiculas idea. Kids find school boring no matter what time of day it is, giving them a lie in will just make people skive school more. I know if i started school at 11 i wouldn't turn in till after dinner.

Should be fking shot for even thinking it'd be a good idea.

[deckster]

BBC said:

Last year he carried out a trial that found pupils scored up to 90% in a GCSE science paper after one session involving three 20-minute bursts interspersed with 10-minute breaks for physical activity.

The pupils had not covered any part of the GCSE science syllabus before the lessons.

Proving nothing, except maybe that GCSE science isn't worth the paper it's written on. Also I presume there was nothing in the paper about the scientific method, establishing a control and NOT fkING WASTING EVERYBODY'S TIME AND ACTUALLY DOING SOME TEACHING YOU HIPPY bd.

[him_over_there]

Wasn't their a horizon program about this a few weeks ago.

It came to similar conclusions, that if kids are given longer in bed and their 'working' day is shifted a little then their results improve ?

The program didn't make it clear how scientific it was or if it was just bunkum.

Wonder if it's really just the head who wants a couple of hours extra kip in the morning..

Edited by him_over_there on Monday 9th March 14:52

[esselte]

him_over_there said:

Wasn't their a horizon program about this a few weeks ago.

It came to similar conclusions, that if kids are given longer in bed and their 'working' day is shifted a little then their results improve ?

Dunno how scientific it was or if it was just bunkum.

It was to do with levels of serotonin in the body at different times of the day,was proved that teenagers don't do mornings very well because of this....

[Chris71]

There is perhaps a case for shifting everything an hour later based on bio-rythms. I do all my best work late at night - can't get my head down until about 7pm.

...and that's not just because too much of the day is spent on PH.

[JonRB]

Two things here that nobody has yet mentioned:

During puberty, the body does need more sleep. Which is why teenagers sleep in so much. Then they get used to it and continue like that to college. But initially, at least, it's a necessity thing.
I noticed a marked change in my step-son's sleeping habits round about 13. Before would be up early to play or whatever, then around 13 he started sleeping in more, and now at 14½ he has to be actually woken by one of us if we want to see him before midday on a weekend.
Of course, it doesn't help that my wife lets him stay up to 11pm or even midnight on a Friday and Saturday night.

Yes, they could go to bed 2 hours earlier, but anyone who actually has teenage kids (or who can remember being a teenager and is actually honest with themselves) will know it's virtually impossible to get them to do so.

Also, think how quiet the roads are in the morning during half-terms and school holidays. Would I like that every working day? Yes please!

Only fly in the ointment is those who drop their kids off on the way to work. They'll be a little stuffed.

Edited by JonRB on Monday 9th March 15:03

[fido]

JonRB said:

Only fly in the ointment is those who drop their kids off on the way to work. They'll be a little stuffed.

They can walk or take the bus at the age.

[Jasandjules]

Does that mean they will stay in school until 5-6pm?

When I was at school I was up at 7am, and started walking to school at 8am to get there for 8.45... I am pretty sure that many people on here did the same.. 2 hours later to start school? F**k off, go to bed earlier.....

[Airbag]

I had no idea there were so many developmental experts on PH.


It's astonishing!

[deckster]

Airbag said:

I had no idea there were so many developmental experts on PH.


It's astonishing!

I, along with everybody I know, was once 15. That gives me personal experience plus a 4-digit sample size that tells me that any effect, if present at all, is very small.

I would additionally posit that the education system in this country has many problems, precisely none of which will be solved by shifting school times by two hours.

[evoesque]

stuart-b said:

Teenage pupils should be given an extra two hours in bed to boost their learning abilities, a Tyneside head teacher has urged.

He said research showed allowing teenagers to begin lessons at 11am had a "profound impact" on learning.



http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/tyne/7932108.st...

Edited by stuart-b on Monday 9th March 14:15

All pupils should start at 11am and finish at 7pm. It would make a diefference to rush hour.