Falklands War 2
Discussion
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/politics/art...
Winky slipped a ten pound note to the Argentine president to get her to ask him about the Falklands. "Please ask me about the Falklands", he said, "Then your people will love you and my people will love me!" The Argentine presidenta is said to have agreed, but requested the payment in pesos, and not "devalued tinpot pounds".
The Argentines said they want the islands back. Winky says it is not negotiable. Gentlemen, place your bets.
Winky slipped a ten pound note to the Argentine president to get her to ask him about the Falklands. "Please ask me about the Falklands", he said, "Then your people will love you and my people will love me!" The Argentine presidenta is said to have agreed, but requested the payment in pesos, and not "devalued tinpot pounds".
The Argentines said they want the islands back. Winky says it is not negotiable. Gentlemen, place your bets.
It's been often stated that we wouldn't be able to take the Falklands back if the Argies invaded again, mainly due to cutbacks, but obviously also because of the fact our services are already too widely spread.
Billy Liar wanted to hand them (and Gibraltar in a separate deal) back anyway
Billy Liar wanted to hand them (and Gibraltar in a separate deal) back anyway
Honestly how would we defend the Islands if they took them back tomorrow? 4 strike aircraft based there permanently, they'd be gone before you know it, we have no long range bombers, just carrier launched aircraft. Actually do we have any carrier launched at the moment?
Suppose it would come down to cruise missiles and that would mean getting them on station in the first place, by which time the islanders would already be choking down corned beef and delicious steaks. b
ks, after you then, Argies, I suppose its all yours now.
Suppose it would come down to cruise missiles and that would mean getting them on station in the first place, by which time the islanders would already be choking down corned beef and delicious steaks. b
ks, after you then, Argies, I suppose its all yours now.Bushmaster said:
To borrow the Duke of Wellington's phrase, it was a damned close run thing last time, and given our cutbacks and the Argentines learning from their mistakes it would be even tighter next time.
Good job those volunteers are maintaining that Vulcan.
You reckon? - this has been discussed in another thread.Good job those volunteers are maintaining that Vulcan.
The Argentine airforce appears to be in an even worse state than it was last time around - with a very ramshackle assortment of worn out old kit available in small numbers.
Wiki suggests this:
Mirage III x 4
Mirage V x 3
Pucaras x 38 (absolutely useless in modern day warfare anyway - as demonstrated last time around)
A4 Skyhawk x 10
OK, so we'd only have, in theory, about 2 dozen Harrier GR9s available and we'd need to ensure we held Mount Pleasant even if they grabbed control of the rest of the islands, if we wanted to use the 4 Tornados..... but there are around 500 marines down there available to hold the air base, so I reckon we could do that.
If we did hold Mount Pleasant, they'd be buggered, as we could get some more fast jets into action fairly quickly.
Their naval strength is better than last time, but they still don't have any carriers available and everything is either old or low tech.
We also have a couple of subs operating in the area to take care of their navy - which would be reluctant to emerge from port given the risk.
Defcon said:
Honestly how would we defend the Islands if they took them back tomorrow? 4 strike aircraft based there permanently, they'd be gone before you know it, we have no long range bombers, just carrier launched aircraft. Actually do we have any carrier launched at the moment?
Suppose it would come down to cruise missiles and that would mean getting them on station in the first place, by which time the islanders would already be choking down corned beef and delicious steaks. bks, after you then, Argies, I suppose its all yours now.
They couldn't get anywhere near those Tornados - either by land or in the air and I really don't think long range heavy bombers are the answer as the Vulcan effort achieved sod all last time.Suppose it would come down to cruise missiles and that would mean getting them on station in the first place, by which time the islanders would already be choking down corned beef and delicious steaks. b
ks, after you then, Argies, I suppose its all yours now.The Fleet Air Arm could have done much more damage to the runway if they'd been allowed to run the required missions.
Vulcans were just an RAF propaganda effort.
The Argentines have around five modern destroyers and no world-wide commitments. We have (IIRC) around eight Type 42 destroyers and are scattered everywhere.
We have no functioning carriers.
If the airfield is put out of action, we have no way of reinforcing quickly. A large transport aircraft filled with explosives could take out Mt Pleasant...
Does anyone think Obama will support us in Falklands II?
We have no functioning carriers.
If the airfield is put out of action, we have no way of reinforcing quickly. A large transport aircraft filled with explosives could take out Mt Pleasant...
Does anyone think Obama will support us in Falklands II?
Bushmaster said:
The Argentines have around five modern destroyers and no world-wide commitments. We have (IIRC) around eight Type 42 destroyers and are scattered everywhere.
We have no functioning carriers.
If the airfield is put out of action, we have no way of reinforcing quickly. A large transport aircraft filled with explosives could take out Mt Pleasant...
Does anyone think Obama will support us in Falklands II?
remember the belgrano?We have no functioning carriers.
If the airfield is put out of action, we have no way of reinforcing quickly. A large transport aircraft filled with explosives could take out Mt Pleasant...
Does anyone think Obama will support us in Falklands II?
we do have submarines
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