EVERYTHING main dealer in 2010 ? ? ? 10'000's of JOB LOSSES
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Working in a independant garage i have heard about a scheme which everything to do with a motor vehicle repair, service, etc will have to go through main dealer by LAW. This means all independant garages and parts suppliers (such as Euro car parts, Motorserv, Beds Battery, Halfords and many others) will be closed down as it will be ILLEGAL to sell pattern parts forcing work to main dealer only. You will not evan be allowed to service a car yourself and will have to go to main dealer, by LAW. Many basic parts cannot be fitted to current vehicles without having to go to a maindealer to have them programmed to respond to the ECM. These proposals are being decided by the EU RIGHT NOW. has anybody else know much about this?
http://www.r2rc.co.uk
http://www.r2rc.co.uk
on this link
http://www.r2rc.co.uk
they feel it is going to happen; i have received short DVDs etc about it. Or is this whole site and campaign party a huge scam?
http://www.r2rc.co.uk
they feel it is going to happen; i have received short DVDs etc about it. Or is this whole site and campaign party a huge scam?
LeightonBuzzard said:
Working in a independant garage i have heard about a scheme which everything to do with a motor vehicle repair, service, etc will have to go through main dealer by LAW. This means all independant garages and parts suppliers (such as Euro car parts, Motorserv, Beds Battery, Halfords and many others) will be closed down as it will be ILLEGAL to sell pattern parts forcing work to main dealer only. You will not evan be allowed to service a car yourself and will have to go to main dealer, by LAW. Many basic parts cannot be fitted to current vehicles without having to go to a maindealer to have them programmed to respond to the ECM. These proposals are being decided by the EU RIGHT NOW. has anybody else know much about this?
http://www.r2rc.co.uk
There is no mission of this ever happening.http://www.r2rc.co.uk
This is regularly posted on different motoring forums as a scare story that it will be ILLEGAL (always capitals for some reason - does that make it more illegal?) for small garages to do anything.
Oddly whenever anyone asks sensible questions about the whole thing and makes the point about how block exemption actually works, I've never seen a sensible reply.
So I tend to fall back on my default assumption that there is a fair bit of FUD being spread somewhere and small businesses are being encouraged to join/pay some organisation.
If I'm wrong then someone please actually explain. I cant help but notice that the info on that web site is as aobscured in governmental/legalistic jargon as to be almost unreadable.
Oddly whenever anyone asks sensible questions about the whole thing and makes the point about how block exemption actually works, I've never seen a sensible reply.
So I tend to fall back on my default assumption that there is a fair bit of FUD being spread somewhere and small businesses are being encouraged to join/pay some organisation.
If I'm wrong then someone please actually explain. I cant help but notice that the info on that web site is as aobscured in governmental/legalistic jargon as to be almost unreadable.
mas99 said:
This is regularly posted on different motoring forums as a scare story that it will be ILLEGAL (always capitals for some reason - does that make it more illegal?) for small garages to do anything.
Oddly whenever anyone asks sensible questions about the whole thing and makes the point about how block exemption actually works, I've never seen a sensible reply.
So I tend to fall back on my default assumption that there is a fair bit of FUD being spread somewhere and small businesses are being encouraged to join/pay some organisation.
If I'm wrong then someone please actually explain. I cant help but notice that the info on that web site is as aobscured in governmental/legalistic jargon as to be almost unreadable.
This is a real problem and not one that is made up. In the simplest form the Block exemption runs out in 2010 and the replacement is not a good system which massivly favours the OEM. I attended a meeting at the DOT last month with a senior DOT offical, along with several representatives from Europe to try to sort this out. It is complicated to say the least but the main concern is that the OEM want to not pass on information on the technical side of repairs and the specification of parts which allows the aftermarket to exsist. The OEM have spent millions on lobbying to try to keep control of the information. So we have the stupid case where a car has a repair carried out to a high standard in an independant garage, but has to then be taken to an OEM dealer to have the cann buss computers reset.Oddly whenever anyone asks sensible questions about the whole thing and makes the point about how block exemption actually works, I've never seen a sensible reply.
So I tend to fall back on my default assumption that there is a fair bit of FUD being spread somewhere and small businesses are being encouraged to join/pay some organisation.
If I'm wrong then someone please actually explain. I cant help but notice that the info on that web site is as aobscured in governmental/legalistic jargon as to be almost unreadable.
If the situation is allowed to continue once all the current cars have been taken off the road then the dealer networks will have complet control of supply and repair. This might take ten years but will happen if not stopped.
The good news is the DOT understand the complications of the problem and is trying to help, the bad news is all the negotiations are taking place in Brussels and involve all member states who all have a view and want certain things for their own industry.
It will rumble on this for some time, however, if people want choice of supply and where they have repairs carried out, then they need to support the right to repair campaign.
Can you clarify that? If the block expires then it does not become 'illegal' for small garages/suppliers to do anything. It would, I would have thought, become illegal for the large players to act in an anticompetitive/cartel manner.
Are Bosch really going to stop providing diagnostic tools for example?
If there is a plain english run down of the proposals I (and I'm sure many others) would be very interested in reading it.
If what you're saying is correct, I think someone should talk to r2rc because the hysterical scaremongering that goes with every mention of them is not doing any campaign any good.
Are Bosch really going to stop providing diagnostic tools for example?
If there is a plain english run down of the proposals I (and I'm sure many others) would be very interested in reading it.
If what you're saying is correct, I think someone should talk to r2rc because the hysterical scaremongering that goes with every mention of them is not doing any campaign any good.
Edited by mas99 on Friday 19th June 15:45
mas99 said:
Can you clarify that? If the block expires then it does not become 'illegal' for small garages/suppliers to do anything. It would, I would have thought, become illegal for the large players to act in an anticompetitive/cartel manner.
Are Bosch really going to stop providing diagnostic tools for example?
If there is a plain english run down of the proposals I (and I'm sure many others) would be very interested in reading it.
If what you're saying is correct, I think someone should talk to r2rc because the hysterical scaremongering that goes with every mention of them is not doing any campaign any good.
When the block exemption ends it will not be illegal to sell any parts or fit them in independant garages. I do not know where that comes from.Are Bosch really going to stop providing diagnostic tools for example?
If there is a plain english run down of the proposals I (and I'm sure many others) would be very interested in reading it.
If what you're saying is correct, I think someone should talk to r2rc because the hysterical scaremongering that goes with every mention of them is not doing any campaign any good.
Edited by mas99 on Friday 19th June 15:45
Plain english would be good, but there isn't a fixed proposal that has yet been accepted by the EU, it is a moving feast of negotiation with the OEM wanting the control.
The R2RC campaign is run on a shoestring and what they are doing is all on donations from the aftermarket. What they say will happen is fact if the OEM's were allowed to dictate the process.
Bosch and the like would still be able to sell tools, however the code information to interface with the car is the problem. Under block exemption they had to make it freely available, the new proposal is allowing them to with hold security information. In theory fine, except they have lumped crucial information in the security bits of the car computers, hence they can withold it under currant proposals.
I an sorry to be so vauge but that is the reality, if the proposals as they were went through it would restrict aftermarket suppliers having information to produce the correct parts. It would keep the information required to service vehicles within the OEM network effectivly having a monopoly on the servicing of vehicles. If this happened thousands of jobs would be lost and the dealer networks would not be able to cope.
I am sure I could get you a copy of the full R2Rc dvd which might help clarify it.
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