Redundancy

[Boxylady]

11 and a half months into my current permanent employment I have been made redundant. (Sign of the times). MD gave me a letter last week stating I had passed my probation,no complaints all year etc, suddenly Im let go, No warnings(because I am apparently a bad manager) with 4 months pay, no reference but now the MD has offered me a personal reference, WTF is going on? My confidence is absolutely shot!

[Dupont666]

Boxylady said:

11 and a half months into my current permanent employment I have been made redundant. (Sign of the times). MD gave me a letter last week stating I had passed my probation,no complaints all year etc, suddenly Im let go, No warnings(because I am apparently a bad manager) with 4 months pay, no reference but now the MD has offered me a personal reference, WTF is going on? My confidence is absolutely shot!

be glad you got that much pay after less than a year... just chalk it up to them needing rid of someone and telling anything to allow you to go.

[Jasandjules]

You have NO RIGHTS at all to any payment of any kind (save for your salary during the notice period). Therefore, think of it like this, Your Manager felt highly of you enough to somehow make the company pay you three months wages more than they had to. That's not bad at all IMHO and you ought not to be thinking the world is against you.

Oh, and offering a personal reference is VERY risky these days, so once more, they (at least the MD) think VERY highly of you.

Is the company also laying off other people?

Edited by Jasandjules on Saturday 15th August 20:59

[Kermit power]

Did you have 4 months notice written into your contract? If you didn't, that just doesn't make any sense whatsoever.

Why would they on the one hand give you a ludicrously large pay off, and on the other tell you they're refusing you a reference?

[DavidY]

I believe that legally a company has to supply a reference, but it can be noe more than:-

Boxylady worked at xxxxx from xxth month year to yyth month year

When I was an employer that is what we supplied for requests when the employee had left under a dark cloud.

[siscar]

DavidY said:

I believe that legally a company has to supply a reference, but it can be noe more than:-

Boxylady worked at xxxxx from xxth month year to yyth month year

When I was an employer that is what we supplied for requests when the employee had left under a dark cloud.

There is no obligation to give a reference to a former employer unless it was stated in their contract that you would do so or unless you are in a regulated industry like financial services.

[Eric Mc]

Doesn't sound like redundancy to me. Sounds to me they are letting you go because they didn't think you were good enough for the job - which seems strange to me as yuou indicate that they were satisfied with your work a week before.

If they really mean what they are now saying, should they not have told you something different a few weeks ago?

[Jasandjules]

Eric Mc said:

Doesn't sound like redundancy to me. Sounds to me they are letting you go because they didn't think you were good enough for the job - which seems strange to me as yuou indicate that they were satisfied with your work a week before.

If they really mean what they are now saying, should they not have told you something different a few weeks ago?

But sub 12 months employment means the ERA doesn't apply which means she can be terminated for any reason and with nothing more than her notice or PILON. So 4 months salary is amazing (hell, IIRC the statutory redundancy is 1wk pay for 1 year of service therefore this equates to 16 years of service if they wanted to be mean about it)....

No requirement on a company to provide a reference, and given the duties encumbent upon employers not to libel their employees, a plain standard reference is becoming more and more common regardless of the reasons why the contract was terminated. So for the MD to give a reference is a risk for him and means he thinks she's good.

[Boxylady]

Hi Guys, Thanks for the responses. I have been really struggling with this. I have had nothing but good feedback in he past 11 months, no complaints ...nothing then out of the blue this. I knew we were going to have to make redundancies but hadn't really expected it would be me. My MD did say that if he was making me redundant i would have only been entitled to 1 weeks wages and personally I think they have paid me off in order to keep me quiet. Its a company with 4000 employees and one stipulation is I dont make a fuss, so hey. Obviously I have been lucky but TBH it doesnt feel good even knowing that.Off to the jolly old job centre tomorrow and perhaps a call to "Angels"

[Tony*T3]

Boxylady said:

Hi Guys, Thanks for the responses. I have been really struggling with this. I have had nothing but good feedback in he past 11 months, no complaints ...nothing then out of the blue this. I knew we were going to have to make redundancies but hadn't really expected it would be me. My MD did say that if he was making me redundant i would have only been entitled to 1 weeks wages and personally I think they have paid me off in order to keep me quiet. Its a company with 4000 employees and one stipulation is I dont make a fuss, so hey. Obviously I have been lucky but TBH it doesnt feel good even knowing that.Off to the jolly old job centre tomorrow and perhaps a call to "Angels"

Pay you off and keep you quiet? That doesnt make sense. Theres no shame in the current climate of either making or being made redundant. There is no need to 'pay you off' unless you are invlolved in some kind of disciplinary procedure or something 'interesting'.

[Thurbs]

Sounds like a compromise agreement. I'd sign it and take the money if I were you. Plenty more jobs in the sea.

[Dupont666]

Thurbs said:

Sounds like a compromise agreement. I'd sign it and take the money if I were you. Plenty more jobs in the sea.

It does but you dont usually give something like that to someone who has been there less than a year unless they are working on sensitive stuff. Or they want rid of you and want something else, but they could just do that to you with out predudice anyway due to the left of time served.

Something is not right???

[Soovy]

Boxylady said:

Hi Guys, Thanks for the responses. I have been really struggling with this. I have had nothing but good feedback in he past 11 months, no complaints ...nothing then out of the blue this. I knew we were going to have to make redundancies but hadn't really expected it would be me. My MD did say that if he was making me redundant i would have only been entitled to 1 weeks wages and personally I think they have paid me off in order to keep me quiet. Its a company with 4000 employees and one stipulation is I dont make a fuss, so hey. Obviously I have been lucky but TBH it doesnt feel good even knowing that.Off to the jolly old job centre tomorrow and perhaps a call to "Angels"

You're entitled to your untaken holiday and payment for your notice period ONLY.

Four months money is AMAZING. Make sure that the excess over your notice period is paid TAX FREE as a severance payment.


They probably think you'll bring a sex discrimination case, and they're chucking you some money to stop that happening.


You'll be asked to sign an agreement waiving your rights. Get the written reference agreed before you sign.


Mine's a pint.

[Soovy]

PS picture or GTFO.

[Boxylady]

Soovy said:

You're entitled to your untaken holiday and payment for your notice period ONLY.

Four months money is AMAZING. Make sure that the excess over your notice period is paid TAX FREE as a severance payment.


They probably think you'll bring a sex discrimination case, and they're chucking you some money to stop that happening.


You'll be asked to sign an agreement waiving your rights. Get the written reference agreed before you sign.


Mine's a pint.

I was astounded that they offered the pay but the only stipulation is that I dont diss the company, it is probably cos I am a woman especially as one thing he did mention was mildly discriminating, unfortunately I thik Im going to have to move because there aren't many jobs in my line over this way

[Soovy]

Boxylady said:

Soovy said:

You're entitled to your untaken holiday and payment for your notice period ONLY.

Four months money is AMAZING. Make sure that the excess over your notice period is paid TAX FREE as a severance payment.


They probably think you'll bring a sex discrimination case, and they're chucking you some money to stop that happening.


You'll be asked to sign an agreement waiving your rights. Get the written reference agreed before you sign.


Mine's a pint.

I was astounded that they offered the pay but the only stipulation is that I dont diss the company, it is probably cos I am a woman especially as one thing he did mention was mildly discriminating, unfortunately I thik Im going to have to move because there aren't many jobs in my line over this way

Well, I'd take the money.

Make SURE that the part which is not notice period is paid TAX FREE.

I can help with this. You can PM through my profile.

Shut it, you lot

Edited by Soovy on Monday 17th August 20:08

[Boxylady]

Thanks Soovy, tried mailing but your profile blocks e-mails!

[Dupont666]

Soovy said:

Boxylady said:

Soovy said:

You're entitled to your untaken holiday and payment for your notice period ONLY.

Four months money is AMAZING. Make sure that the excess over your notice period is paid TAX FREE as a severance payment.


They probably think you'll bring a sex discrimination case, and they're chucking you some money to stop that happening.


You'll be asked to sign an agreement waiving your rights. Get the written reference agreed before you sign.


Mine's a pint.

I was astounded that they offered the pay but the only stipulation is that I dont diss the company, it is probably cos I am a woman especially as one thing he did mention was mildly discriminating, unfortunately I thik Im going to have to move because there aren't many jobs in my line over this way

Well, I'd take the money.

Make SURE that the part which is not notice period is paid TAX FREE.

I can help with this. You can PM through my profile.

Shut it, you lot

Edited by Soovy on Monday 17th August 20:08

Now i have seen the profile.

I can see why you are doing this.

Down soovy, down boy and roll you tongue back in.

[siscar]

Soovy said:

Make SURE that the part which is not notice period is paid TAX FREE.

Can it be? (Not saying that it can't, just wondering) Since there is no qualification for redundancy being under 2 years service, would HMRC treat it as redundancy or some other sort of taxable termination payment?

[Dupont666]

siscar said:

Soovy said:

Make SURE that the part which is not notice period is paid TAX FREE.

Can it be? (Not saying that it can't, just wondering) Since there is no qualification for redundancy being under 2 years service, would HMRC treat it as redundancy or some other sort of taxable termination payment?

FOr redundancy payments, anything under £30k is tax free, anything above is taxed unless you opt to put it in your pension and then it becomes tax free.... but only if its in the form of a compromise agreement, anything else is a taxable payoff