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2x A318 flying LCY>Shannon>JFK. Refuel for an hour in Shannon, and do all US immigration. 5 minutes plane to car at JFK. The return leg is non-stop JFK>LCY.
They are flying in an 18 seat all 1st setup, with inflight internet and voice for all seats. Stupid money to buy privately, but BA have done deals with (and in fact launched the service at the urging of) a number of Major Companies in the Wharf and have sold large numbers of seats for the first year of service. BA is basically running a business jet service!
They are flying in an 18 seat all 1st setup, with inflight internet and voice for all seats. Stupid money to buy privately, but BA have done deals with (and in fact launched the service at the urging of) a number of Major Companies in the Wharf and have sold large numbers of seats for the first year of service. BA is basically running a business jet service!
Opinion from the Airbus crews seems to be mixed - I know a chap who is one of the first Captains on the route, keen as mustard, and a lot of other Airbus drivers who wouldn't touch it with a mucky stick.
The return sectors will be..um..interesting. Non-stop across the pond, into sportingly steep glide-slope with some challenging minima. I can't remember where the main diversion is supposed to be (Luton?) but I expect it will see more than a few unexpected arrivals.
The return sectors will be..um..interesting. Non-stop across the pond, into sportingly steep glide-slope with some challenging minima. I can't remember where the main diversion is supposed to be (Luton?) but I expect it will see more than a few unexpected arrivals.
eharding said:
into sportingly steep glide-slope
On this point - although I am aware it is hard to tell from the ground and my eyes could be playing tricks - the airbus did seem to have a positive pitch, as opposed to all the 146s where the nose is definitely pointing down... can I presume from this that it is operating closer to the edge of the envelope?Somewhatfoolish said:
eharding said:
into sportingly steep glide-slope
On this point - although I am aware it is hard to tell from the ground and my eyes could be playing tricks - the airbus did seem to have a positive pitch, as opposed to all the 146s where the nose is definitely pointing down... can I presume from this that it is operating closer to the edge of the envelope?Sorry, it is 32 seats. Mea culpa.
Somewhatfoolish said:
eharding said:
into sportingly steep glide-slope
On this point - although I am aware it is hard to tell from the ground and my eyes could be playing tricks - the airbus did seem to have a positive pitch, as opposed to all the 146s where the nose is definitely pointing down... can I presume from this that it is operating closer to the edge of the envelope?eharding said:
Opinion from the Airbus crews seems to be mixed - I know a chap who is one of the first Captains on the route, keen as mustard, and a lot of other Airbus drivers who wouldn't touch it with a mucky stick.
The return sectors will be..um..interesting. Non-stop across the pond, into sportingly steep glide-slope with some challenging minima. I can't remember where the main diversion is supposed to be (Luton?) but I expect it will see more than a few unexpected arrivals.
Steep gs is a bit of a non-event in a 318, really. Minima aren't too helpful in all of this, though. I think it's a great idea, seemingly cleverly constructed product. I will be interested to see how it pans out. The return sectors will be..um..interesting. Non-stop across the pond, into sportingly steep glide-slope with some challenging minima. I can't remember where the main diversion is supposed to be (Luton?) but I expect it will see more than a few unexpected arrivals.
No idea about the ETOPS capability of the 318, but they're not the first similarly sized aircraft to do it. Great idea, given the way they've filled it up for something like 8 months..
Somewhatfoolish said:
eharding said:
into sportingly steep glide-slope
On this point - although I am aware it is hard to tell from the ground and my eyes could be playing tricks - the airbus did seem to have a positive pitch, as opposed to all the 146s where the nose is definitely pointing down... can I presume from this that it is operating closer to the edge of the envelope?As for main diversion, BA are mainly gonna use Gatwick for the LCY operation. Although not sure about the 'challenging minima' mentioned - I used to fly into LCY regularly, and it's a bit of a non-event really. Great views when you're using the easterly runway tho . . .
Edited by 5150 on Friday 11th September 00:21
5150 said:
That's the difference between straight wing and swept wing aircraft.
Funny, when I was designing changes to the 146's ailerons I could have sworn it had swept wings. Maybe that was why my CFD and windtunnel results were always in disagreement... ;-)On a serious note, have a look at the angle of attack of the wing on a 146/Avro RJ - it's huge compared to a low winged, conventional take off and landing aircraft. It's also possible to configure the aircraft for both high drag and high lift without relying on high alpha (chunky aerofoil cross sections, massive double slotted flaps, "barn door" sized tail mounted speed brakes etc), so nose-down approaches are the norm. Great for the view over the nose on steep approaches, as someone mentioned, which is doubly important if you're landing it on the poorly paved, 3rd world runways for which it was originally conceived.
Pete
TIGA84 said:
I think they have just started, pal of mine is a Snr FO on the new route.
I think his first trip is the 18th from memory. He seemed pretty excited by it all TBH.
Starts on the 29th SeptemberI think his first trip is the 18th from memory. He seemed pretty excited by it all TBH.
http://www.britishairways.com/travel/club-world-lo...
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