New 19p a litre petrol!
Discussion
soad said:
Think I've heard of this before.
Still manage to tax the f
k out of it though!
What's not to like about the idea?Still manage to tax the f
k out of it though!An alternative to petrol which doesn't produce CO2 and could be manufactured in the UK by hooking a nuclear power station up to a water supply? Jobs, investment, guilt-free motoring, UK as an exporter of fuel to the world, and a chance to tell OPEC to stuff their inflated production costs?
So long as I don't have to pay more for my fuel than I do currently (ideally a bit less of course) the Government can tax the f
k out of it for all I care: it would help pay off the deficit a bit quicker.The government which decides the level of taxation is within our control as voters. OPEC and the oil markets are not.
But will we invest in this technology and keep it in the UK to benefit us, or will we come over all cynical and let the Chinese have it? Opportunities don't go away, they go to someone else.
Gaspode said:
What's not to like about the idea?
An alternative to petrol which doesn't produce CO2 and could be manufactured in the UK by hooking a nuclear power station up to a water supply? Jobs, investment, guilt-free motoring, UK as an exporter of fuel to the world, and a chance to tell OPEC to stuff their inflated production costs?
So long as I don't have to pay more for my fuel than I do currently (ideally a bit less of course) the Government can tax the fk out of it for all I care: it would help pay off the deficit a bit quicker.
The government which decides the level of taxation is within our control as voters. OPEC and the oil markets are not.
But will we invest in this technology and keep it in the UK to benefit us, or will we come over all cynical and let the Chinese have it? Opportunities don't go away, they go to someone else.
Excellent post- and totally agree!An alternative to petrol which doesn't produce CO2 and could be manufactured in the UK by hooking a nuclear power station up to a water supply? Jobs, investment, guilt-free motoring, UK as an exporter of fuel to the world, and a chance to tell OPEC to stuff their inflated production costs?
So long as I don't have to pay more for my fuel than I do currently (ideally a bit less of course) the Government can tax the f
k out of it for all I care: it would help pay off the deficit a bit quicker.The government which decides the level of taxation is within our control as voters. OPEC and the oil markets are not.
But will we invest in this technology and keep it in the UK to benefit us, or will we come over all cynical and let the Chinese have it? Opportunities don't go away, they go to someone else.
Leicesterdave said:
Gaspode said:
What's not to like about the idea?
An alternative to petrol which doesn't produce CO2 and could be manufactured in the UK by hooking a nuclear power station up to a water supply? Jobs, investment, guilt-free motoring, UK as an exporter of fuel to the world, and a chance to tell OPEC to stuff their inflated production costs?
So long as I don't have to pay more for my fuel than I do currently (ideally a bit less of course) the Government can tax the fk out of it for all I care: it would help pay off the deficit a bit quicker.
The government which decides the level of taxation is within our control as voters. OPEC and the oil markets are not.
But will we invest in this technology and keep it in the UK to benefit us, or will we come over all cynical and let the Chinese have it? Opportunities don't go away, they go to someone else.
Excellent post- and totally agree!An alternative to petrol which doesn't produce CO2 and could be manufactured in the UK by hooking a nuclear power station up to a water supply? Jobs, investment, guilt-free motoring, UK as an exporter of fuel to the world, and a chance to tell OPEC to stuff their inflated production costs?
So long as I don't have to pay more for my fuel than I do currently (ideally a bit less of course) the Government can tax the f
k out of it for all I care: it would help pay off the deficit a bit quicker.The government which decides the level of taxation is within our control as voters. OPEC and the oil markets are not.
But will we invest in this technology and keep it in the UK to benefit us, or will we come over all cynical and let the Chinese have it? Opportunities don't go away, they go to someone else.
Cheapest and best way of getting nuclear power in your car is via the plug socket. Cracking hydrogen from water is very expensive 19p I think not.
Talksteer said:
Work in the nuclear industry totally don't agree.
Cheapest and best way of getting nuclear power in your car is via the plug socket. Cracking hydrogen from water is very expensive 19p I think not.
So do I (although admittedly I'm not on the engineering side)...Cheapest and best way of getting nuclear power in your car is via the plug socket. Cracking hydrogen from water is very expensive 19p I think not.
I'd be interested in your reasoning as to why charging batteries is a better fuel source than encapsulated hydrogen. To my mind the range factor alone makes the hydrogen based fuel a better bet. With a tank full of hydrogen fuel, I could drive 400 or 500 miles. I have yet to see an electric car with a range of more than 100 miles or so and a full recharge time of less than 6 hours or so.
Gaspode said:
So do I (although admittedly I'm not on the engineering side)...
I'd be interested in your reasoning as to why charging batteries is a better fuel source than encapsulated hydrogen. To my mind the range factor alone makes the hydrogen based fuel a better bet. With a tank full of hydrogen fuel, I could drive 400 or 500 miles. I have yet to see an electric car with a range of more than 100 miles or so and a full recharge time of less than 6 hours or so.
The efficiency of storing electricity in a battery and then returning that electricity to a motor is very much higher than the efficiency of cracking hydrogen from water then compressing it and string it in a tank. Once put in that tank the hydrogen will then do its best to escape, most of it will be gone in a week or two.I'd be interested in your reasoning as to why charging batteries is a better fuel source than encapsulated hydrogen. To my mind the range factor alone makes the hydrogen based fuel a better bet. With a tank full of hydrogen fuel, I could drive 400 or 500 miles. I have yet to see an electric car with a range of more than 100 miles or so and a full recharge time of less than 6 hours or so.
The total energy required to power all of the UK's domestic vehicles could be generated without needing to upgrade our existing infrastructure just by running all of our power plants over night. If we all want to use hydrogen we will need many more power stations and a significant and expensive hydrogen infrastructure.
Millions of people in the UK could actually live with a Nissan Leaf and most of us could live with a GM Volt.
I see three stages of electric vehicle customer:
1. Early adopter, buys as a fashion accessory. Is prepared to pay over the odds for an electric vehicle, buys a Leaf, Volt or E Focus/Golf in the 2011-2015 time frame. They will prove ownership of electric vehicles for the first generation of mass customers
2. 1st Generation Mass Customer, buys it because it make financial sense to them. In the 2015-2020 period the second generation of electric and plug in vehicles will arrive. Expect these to be competitive with petrol cars on sale price (because they are made in production volumes) and a lower in life-cycle cost once fuel and tax is included.
To own a Leaf or equivalent you need a drive at your house, a commute of less than 80 miles and own another car or be prepared to make long journeys on the train. This may not be a "typical" PHer but there are millions of people in the UK for whom this is true. (I am one of them)
These people won't need fast charging points, or parking bay charging points to use their electric vehicles they will just use them with the existing electric infrastructure we already have. There will be enough of them to sell electric and plug in vehicles at production volumes (which brings the price down) and the millions of vehicles will stimulate the provision of the infrastructure which will allow everybody else to use electric vehicles.
3. Universality 2020-2025. In this time period batteries which have been increasing in power density by 8% per year from today have more than doubled in capacity from what is possible today. Most new cars are now electric, the optimum range is around 150-200 miles as it make little sense to pay for and carry a battery pack which is mostly unused.
For most people this range is adequate, very few people make unplanned urgent journeys of greater than 200 miles. If you want to make a long journey quick chargers are available at motorway services and people simply have a cup of coffee which their car charges up in 15 minutes. Fast chargers are only really needed in service stations or in the centres of large town. For most people a charger at home, work or on the street that charges them up over a period of hours is acceptable.
People who make long journeys off the motorway network or who live in sparsely populated areas will probably use plug in hybrids which will be more popular in other larger countries outside of the UK.
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