If TVR went bust

[macca]

How would the future pan out?

1. Viable takeover proposition?
2. Value of cars?
3. Dealer backup with servicing/parts/warranty work?

[Roadrunner]

Probably be passed about like the hot potatoe called Lotus.

[tav]

or maybe Vauxhaul (sp) will buy the name and rebadge their vectras with it, in the MG tradition.

[yum]

why do you ask? Is this a real possibility at the moment?

R

[christof]

If...

then a german will come with his Cerbie for a oil change and will buy the factory...

Christof

[dcb]

I think it would be the best thing since sliced
bread if one of the big boys (Ford, VW, Toyota etc)
bought TVR.

Then they could get the quality control
problems at the factory sorted out.

Ford have worked wonders at Jaguar
with quality control, and so I see something
similar happening at TVR.

Then I'd buy a TVR.

[JonRB]

Maybe. But if anyone other than TVR made TVRs then they'd become politically correct

No, seriously, TVR would lose its identity. The cars would become sensible. They'd become badge-engineered platform-sharers. God, I'm breaking out in a cold sweat just thinking about it.

Nope. No thanks. If you want that kind of thing then buy a Jaguar. (checks profile). Oh, you have.

>> Edited by JonRB on Tuesday 30th April 23:09

[JMorgan]

If ford bought them
Cerbera 1.4 ltr
Cebera 2 ltr
Cerbera 2.6 SE
Tuscan 1.1
Tuscan 1.1 SE
Tuscan 1.8 TDi
Tamora 1.4 efi
Tamora 2ltr Zetec
Focus 4.5
Puma 4 ltr S6
Mondeo 500

[bennno]

so Astons are crap now ford own them, ditto lambo under the ownership of VW, Maerati / Ferrari because they are owned by Fiat??


"Imagine a TVR with a 350bhp V8 lump that never needed to see a dealer for a plug change until 100,000 miles. One which could be brought with confidence with 75,000 miles on the clock, and that any dealer would take in part ex without a concern. One you could drive everyday, that cost £200 to service...." - what you may loose in rawness might be made up in other areas.

Come on guys take the above examples, are you really telling me a 550 Maranello, Lambo Murcilago, Maserati 4200GT or Aston Vanquish are worse cars (following big co involvement) than a Testarossa, Early Diablo, Biturbo or Aston Virage????

Bennno


>> Edited by bennno on Tuesday 30th April 23:24

[Terminator]

Same thing would happen as the last time they went bust. A rich, patriotic sports car enthusiast would buy them off the receivers and we will carry on bitching about bits falling off at 140mph for another 15 years.

[squirrelz]

Yes.

[tuscan_s]

I agree with Benno. As long as the new owners focus on quality control issues in relation to current build techniques and assembly.

But we would probably see either much more expensive TVR's or more of them...

[gnomesmith]

They could do the same as they have done each time they have previously gone bust.

I suppose Morgan could buy them out to give a bit of stability.

[bennno]

what and start churning out Tuscans with the headlights swivled inwards for that 'boss eyed' morgan look ???



Bennno

[christof]

I never ever will buy a TVR without its soul:

I really like to come to the factory and hearing "Hi Christof,how are you".

I also like getting help with a broken exhaust fittment(no it's not TVR's, it was a sports exhaust) on a Sunday without paying a penny.

I appreciate being a member of a big family and made a lot of friends in the UK, on the Continent and also in the US(Hi Faisal).

It's always a big fun meeting up with Shorty and his team who makes me feeling I'm a member of his team.

This all is part of my fun owning a TVR...


So fellow TVRiders, maybe we should think for one minute and realize how much we enjoy the ownership and driving something very very special...

I can't believe that I as a german have to tell you that you can be very proud of having such a car manufacturer in your country and alwasy complaining about everything...

TVR rules!!!

Christof

PS: Sorry, I know, I'm getting a little bit over enthusiastic...

>> Edited by christof on Wednesday 1st May 01:27

[flasher]

quote:
I think it would be the best thing since sliced
bread if one of the big boys (Ford, VW, Toyota etc)
bought TVR.

Then they could get the quality control
problems at the factory sorted out.

Ford have worked wonders at Jaguar
with quality control, and so I see something
similar happening at TVR.

Then I'd buy a TVR.

Typical quote from someone who has never owned a TVR.


Benno

You should know better than to compare Astons and Ferrari's to TVR's. Firstly they cost about three times the price, secondly the parts are infinitley more expensive, ie: Cerbera Engine (full)= 18K, Engine for your 456= 65K. Even a service is about four times as expensive (and I'm talking main dealers here, not specialists)

As for depreciation, (dealer prices) a F355 new in say 97 was 100,000 quid and is now about 60,000 that's 40% depreciation. A TVR Chimaera was £34,000 and can now be had for around £20,000. That's less in percentage or very similar at worst.

If someone like Ford buys TVR that will be it for me. I like them the way they are.

Comparing a £170,000 Ferrari or a £130,000 Aston witha £35K TVR is beyond belief.......

>> Edited by flasher on Wednesday 1st May 07:17

[bennno]

flash, you have the wrong end of the stick, I did not make any comparison between the cars or running them... I was just using just using those examples to demonstrate that big company ownership would not neccessarily mean worse cars - in contradiction with those whom said it would mean the end of TVR.

ie...

Biturbo or Maser 4200gt?
Testa Rossa or 575 Maranello?
XJS or XKR?
Aston (parts bin) Virage or Vanquish ?
Diablo or Murceliago?

Bennno

>> Edited by bennno on Wednesday 1st May 08:16

[squirrelz]

Didn't Jag make the E-type when independant, and then the XJS when under British Leyland? and I thought that Ferrari made cars like the Dino when independant, and the Testarossa under Fiat.

Could be wrong though, I'm not old enough to remember

[pbrettle]

Bennnos got a point here - with the astronomic costs of developing cars it makes sense to try and share some of them across the whole company.... It also makes sense to have the experience that your new owner has to boost particular areas. Take Audi for Lambo - Audi can teach them about how to do interior cabins and using high quality plastics.

To be honest, if TVR doesnt remain independant then it is not a major loss. They will probably still produce unusual different and frighteningly fast sports cars..... which dont look like anything else...

Cheers,

Paul

[Ston]

I agree 100% with Christof