Max Verstappen
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As much as I think Verstappen is a huge breath of fresh air in F1 his non appearance at the team picture at the end of the race for Ricciardo's win was pretty poor.
When Lewis and Rosberg were basically wanting to kill each other they still stayed and took part in all media duties and more importantly were in the team photo's
Clear has the same temper as his his father when things are not going his way which is a very bad thing.
As much as I think Verstappen is a huge breath of fresh air in F1 his non appearance at the team picture at the end of the race for Ricciardo's win was pretty poor.
When Lewis and Rosberg were basically wanting to kill each other they still stayed and took part in all media duties and more importantly were in the team photo's
Clear has the same temper as his his father when things are not going his way which is a very bad thing.
Supersam83 said:
Maybe the reason he is a bit pissed off is because he and Danny Ric had certain performance clauses in their contract this season. If 2 of the clauses were hit then they would have to stay and honour their contract at Red Bull.
Maybe Max and his Dad Jos were sniffing around other teams but now they will need the team interested to stump up a buyout clause (probably in the tens of millions) to move Max away from Red Bull.
I very much doubt any team in the paddock would not want to have Verstappen in their car for 2019/2020.- The first is that the team must provide ‘a winning car’.
- The second that the team must finish in the top three in the Constructors’ Championship.
- The third that the driver must finish in the top five in the Drivers’ Championship.
Maybe Max and his Dad Jos were sniffing around other teams but now they will need the team interested to stump up a buyout clause (probably in the tens of millions) to move Max away from Red Bull.
Alonso keeps stating that their are top seats available for 2018 so you just never know what is going on.
If Max was to go "which I very much doubt" I am sure Red Bull would fill his shoes with Sainz.
To be fair to Max Kimi did move over "perhaps not expecting Max to be there" so Max when off the circuit which was deemed illegal.
This is the issue when you have too much run off area's around a circuit. Drivers were using more than the track limits during the whole weekend which is just wrong.
This is when having gravel traps and walls in the past contained the drivers as it was not possible to overtake someone off the circuit.
It is just modern F1.
This is the issue when you have too much run off area's around a circuit. Drivers were using more than the track limits during the whole weekend which is just wrong.
This is when having gravel traps and walls in the past contained the drivers as it was not possible to overtake someone off the circuit.
It is just modern F1.
Vaud said:
I think a lot of them are passionate, self centred and brattish at times. Remember Senna punching Irvine for daring to unlap himself? Hamiltons year of odd press comments? Schumacher storming down the pits towards Coulthard? Jacques Villeneuve whenever he opens his mouth?
I think it's a mentality aspect of a swath of drivers.
Exactly.I think it's a mentality aspect of a swath of drivers.
You need that "edge" if you want to be the best. It seems to be a trait of the best drivers.
heebeegeetee said:
thegreenhell said:
Now he thinks the penalty points system should be scrapped. Is it because he's on 8 points and likely to get a race ban if does one more stupid thing?
https://www.motorsport.com/f1/news/verstappen-pena...
He seems to have issues with the rules of the sport, which are as old as the sport, and for that reason he's picking up the points intended for repeat offenders. https://www.motorsport.com/f1/news/verstappen-pena...
“Penalty points were introduced for the 2014 season as a way of punishing repeat offenders, with drivers who accumulate more than 12 points automatically banned from the next race.
The concept gained momentum after Romain Grosjean picked up a one-race ban in 2012, for triggering a first-corner accident at Spa which was influenced by his record of incidents in previous races.”
Composite Guru said:
Sounds like World Championship winning material then.
F1 has been full of this sort of behavior for years and its normally the passionate ones that do it.
Senna, Piquet, Alonso etc.
Just look at this.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TdosTMrRrBg
The problem nowadays is that everyone is so sensitive about stuff like this happening it's looked at badly.
Exactly.F1 has been full of this sort of behavior for years and its normally the passionate ones that do it.
Senna, Piquet, Alonso etc.
Just look at this.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TdosTMrRrBg
The problem nowadays is that everyone is so sensitive about stuff like this happening it's looked at badly.
Think the issue is he overtook Hamilton which upset a few.
Ocon just showed why he is struggling for a seat in 2019.
Makes Bottas look good.
sparta6 said:
I agree.
People get their knickers in a twist easily these days when something out of the norm happens.
The FIA punished Ocon for his mistake. Max felt aggrieved that Ocon's mistake lost him a race win. Cue some heated discussion and teenage pushing in weigh bridge. Max is duly served a punishment by FIA.
No actual punches such as you highlight with other drivers. If TV viewers want hairy chested punch-ups in sport they can catch it in many others including Ice Hockey.
Exactly.People get their knickers in a twist easily these days when something out of the norm happens.
The FIA punished Ocon for his mistake. Max felt aggrieved that Ocon's mistake lost him a race win. Cue some heated discussion and teenage pushing in weigh bridge. Max is duly served a punishment by FIA.
No actual punches such as you highlight with other drivers. If TV viewers want hairy chested punch-ups in sport they can catch it in many others including Ice Hockey.
But in the heat of the moment, you can see why Max was so upset.
Red Bull should have made sure Max was prevented from approaching Ocon when he was clearly losing the plot.
Ahonen said:
Why did Verstappen's mistake reflect badly on Ocon? Verstappen closed the door, leaving Ocon nowhere to go. As he said afterwards, Ocon managed the same move on many others through the afternoon without issue.
I appreciate you don't know much about racing and that's fine, but I'm not sure how you could use that incident as some sort of example to suggest Ocon isn't deserving of a seat.
If you think Ocon was in the right then it goes against what every expert is saying about the incident.I appreciate you don't know much about racing and that's fine, but I'm not sure how you could use that incident as some sort of example to suggest Ocon isn't deserving of a seat.
Perhaps you should do everyone a favour and read this
https://www.crash.net/f1/news/910213/1/whiting-oco...
But no doubt even Charlie is wrong
HustleRussell said:
Not the cleanest attempt by Ocon, you'd think with tyre advantage and engine advantage he could've managed a greater overlap and been ahead by the apex of turn 2 instead of just having his front tyre alongside Max's bargeboard.
As it played out it was f
king stupid of Max to expect him to just disappear though. By the looks of things, Max could've easily given Ocon room and emerged from the corner slightly ahead of Ocon with the shorter line around 3 and the inside line for 4 & 5.
Verstappen clearly hasn't got a WDC brain yet and his behaviour afterwards suggest his brain is letting him down outside of the car too.
Horner's sycophantic comments afterwards that Ocon was 'lucky to get away with just a push' were as puerile as Max's actions in the first place. He's a complete Max apologist.
Red Bull and Verstappen are showing signs of disappearing up each other's arses. It's hard to imagine Verstappen's actions going unchecked outside of the Red Bull bubble.
I think many drivers who are leading a race would be surprised by a backmarker trying to unlap themselves.As it played out it was f
king stupid of Max to expect him to just disappear though. By the looks of things, Max could've easily given Ocon room and emerged from the corner slightly ahead of Ocon with the shorter line around 3 and the inside line for 4 & 5.Verstappen clearly hasn't got a WDC brain yet and his behaviour afterwards suggest his brain is letting him down outside of the car too.
Horner's sycophantic comments afterwards that Ocon was 'lucky to get away with just a push' were as puerile as Max's actions in the first place. He's a complete Max apologist.
Red Bull and Verstappen are showing signs of disappearing up each other's arses. It's hard to imagine Verstappen's actions going unchecked outside of the Red Bull bubble.
Edited by HustleRussell on Monday 12th November 13:11
It's not often it happens as the top teams have such an advantage.
If you're attempting to pass the leader of the race you make sure you do it cleanly.
As I have said Ocon would not have attempted the same move on a Mercedes.
No doubt Toto is wrong as well.
In the near future people will not be able to talk about the incident between Max Verstappen and Esteban Ocon at Interlagos. The two came into contact with each other, so Verstappen saw his chance of victory go up in smoke. David Coulthard believes that you should be fair to the leader and Toto Wolff shares that opinion.
Verstappen went on to lead the Brazilian Grand Prix when he came into contact with rear-end Ocon in lap 44. The two got together and ended up in a spinning. The Red Bull driver fell back to second place and was furious. Afterwards, he looked for Ocon. A few pushes were handed out.
"The fact that Max distributes a few pushes to Esteban is also part of the show: if everything always goes the Peppi and Kokki-like way and in accordance with the rules, where is the passion and entertainment, we need these things ", continues Coulthard his story. In the story of Verstappen and Ocon, De Schot does not want to point out a guilty party but emphasizes that a back car must always show respect towards the race leader.
"Esteban was driving his own race and tried to do his own thing, but I think you should always be fair to the leader," he says. Mercedes team boss Toto Wolff shares this opinion. Ocon is a protégé of Mercedes and so Coulthard found it relevant to ask Wolff for his opinion. "He said: 'It is never good when the leader of a race gets involved in an incident with a car in the back.' His opinion seems to be that you always have to respect the leader in the game, even if you want to get rid of a lap behind, "says Coulthard.
In the near future people will not be able to talk about the incident between Max Verstappen and Esteban Ocon at Interlagos. The two came into contact with each other, so Verstappen saw his chance of victory go up in smoke. David Coulthard believes that you should be fair to the leader and Toto Wolff shares that opinion.
Verstappen went on to lead the Brazilian Grand Prix when he came into contact with rear-end Ocon in lap 44. The two got together and ended up in a spinning. The Red Bull driver fell back to second place and was furious. Afterwards, he looked for Ocon. A few pushes were handed out.
"The fact that Max distributes a few pushes to Esteban is also part of the show: if everything always goes the Peppi and Kokki-like way and in accordance with the rules, where is the passion and entertainment, we need these things ", continues Coulthard his story. In the story of Verstappen and Ocon, De Schot does not want to point out a guilty party but emphasizes that a back car must always show respect towards the race leader.
"Esteban was driving his own race and tried to do his own thing, but I think you should always be fair to the leader," he says. Mercedes team boss Toto Wolff shares this opinion. Ocon is a protégé of Mercedes and so Coulthard found it relevant to ask Wolff for his opinion. "He said: 'It is never good when the leader of a race gets involved in an incident with a car in the back.' His opinion seems to be that you always have to respect the leader in the game, even if you want to get rid of a lap behind, "says Coulthard.
Edited by anonymous-user on Monday 12th November 13:48
37chevy said:
Jim
show us the interview or link where Lewis said Max was in the wrong, all lewis said, is you always make sure theres room and ocon had nothing to lose
It's clear what is being referred. show us the interview or link where Lewis said Max was in the wrong, all lewis said, is you always make sure theres room and ocon had nothing to lose
Verstappen, still visibly furious, told Raikkonen that Ocon had taken him out.
However, while discussing the incident with the Red Bull driver, Hamilton told Verstappen that Ocon had the right to unlap himself.
Verstappen agreed, yet added: “But you can't crash into the leader, who's not doing anything crazy.”
Hamilton responded with: “You had more to lose than he did. He had nothing to lose.”
turbomoped said:
I can see Ocon in the mercedes in 2020 even if Bottas has a great season. At the end of the day VB would have had 3 seasons in the car and should slot into another top team ok.
Anyone thinking its hamilton who will step aside for ocon is deluded unless he chooses to walk away.
Ocon is the ideal driver to go forward into a multi season max rivalry as he wont take any nonsense.
I agree that I doubt Lewis would retire in 2020. The new rule changes might put him off but I am sure he will be looking to at least match Schumacher.Anyone thinking its hamilton who will step aside for ocon is deluded unless he chooses to walk away.
Ocon is the ideal driver to go forward into a multi season max rivalry as he wont take any nonsense.
As for Ocon replacing Bottas, I doubt he would be any better.
Think whoever signs for Mercedes in the next few years will 100% depend on Lewis.
It has shown when the garage is happy at Mercedes you get the best out of Hamilton so why rock the boat.
E34-3.2 said:
Yes, entirely ok by respecting the leaders which Ocon did by overtaking on the outside then Verstapen for some reasons shut the door a soon as he feel Ocon had made the right move. As Hamilton said, you had a lot more to lose (by doing so). Ocon V Verstapen started in Karting and I think that Verstapen couldn't stand to see Ocon overtaking him. Shame as he was going for a supreme win!
I still feel that Ocon could have backed out of it and attempted a pass again down the new DRS straight where the Mercedes engine was clearly faster.It was a shame it happened but hopefully, everyone learns.
E34-3.2 said:
I reckon both cars Were equip with special magnet to attract each others during that infamous season. 
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2018, definitely his peak, I can see Vettel bouncing back for 2019. Max might be involve more heavily in the championship as well.
IMO Hamilton has broken Vettel. )2018, definitely his peak, I can see Vettel bouncing back for 2019. Max might be involve more heavily in the championship as well.
LeClerc could be the man to watch.
dc2rr07 said:
thetrickcyclist said:
thegreenhell said:
Sulky teenager in a sulk when things don't go his way shocker.
Is he really. Still not completly his fault with the finest role model for a father...
It would have been a rather dull race without him today. Not for the first time.
Mr Tidy said:
turbomoped said:
Highly amusing as max cruised up behind the terminal torro rosso blowing oil smoke in his face near the end.
Yes, he must have been wondering why RBR were changing engine supplier - to finish 1st, first you've got to finish! If you can't get Mercedes or Ferrari power it's better to have something down on power that will at least finish.
Mr Pointy said:
It seems the arrogant little st is only going to undertake public service he agrees with:
https://www.motorsport.com/f1/news/verstappen-publ...
You really do hate Max.t is only going to undertake public service he agrees with:https://www.motorsport.com/f1/news/verstappen-publ...
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