Naomi Schiff

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Is it me or is she one of the worst hires Sky have made. Seems to offer very little in terms of insight into F1. Just seems to repeat back the question in a different way when asked for her opinion.

At Miami Danica Patrick was excellent

Never watched her programme on Monday night any good ?

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robscot said:

sociopath said:

Shall we take the misogyny and racism posts, and the vehement denials as read and save having to read 80 pages of tripe

Beat me to it.

Let this thread die before it begins....

Amazing how some peoples brains work. I also see a few decide what can and can’t be posted. Bit like Twitter people just can’t handle debate these days so just try to close it down and raise the race card.

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robscot said:

cc3 said:

people just can’t handle debate these days

Ok, lets have the debate

"Is it me or is she one of the worst hires Sky have made. "

It is you, as not hired by Sky.

Thread done. Great debate, cheers for for teaching the long lost art, go pop Sky News Press Preview on and get angry at something else tomorrow !

Well her own bio says she hired by Sky.Chill it’s better for your well being

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HighwayStar said:

cc3 said:

Is it me or is she one of the worst hires Sky have made. Seems to offer very little in terms of insight into F1. Just seems to repeat back the question in a different way when asked for her opinion.

At Miami Danica Patrick was excellent

Never watched her programme on Monday night any good ?

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Watching LeMans seems better than F1. Cars that can follow loads of overtaking. No back markers having to jump out of the way. Top drivers pit stops with refuelling what’s not to enjoy. Drivers that talk to the press and don’t sulk. Makes F1 look drab

And no woke tv presenters just decent petrolheads

From the Baku thread… would Naomi be who you’re referring to? Just curious.

You should try specsavers - presenters! The LeMans coverage has been brilliant and the racing makes F1 look very dull.

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HighwayStar said:

cgt2 said:

Still love to know what Danica Patrick was excellent at. She was the worst co-presenter they have had for awhile with painful lack of knowledge. Compared to her Naomi is Magnus Magnusson.

You know you’re not likely to get a reply to that…

Her racing record particularly in open wheel format speaks for itself. She won and held her own in a male dominated sport and her views are backed by experience that none of the so called experts who fill these forums with nonsense have. Strange how her so called painful lack of knowledge made her a winner in the US.

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cgt2 said:

cc3 said:

Her racing record particularly in open wheel format speaks for itself. She won and held her own in a male dominated sport and her views are backed by experience that none of the so called experts who fill these forums with nonsense have. Strange how her so called painful lack of knowledge made her a winner in the US.

How do her driving achievements in completely different categories qualify her to explain F1? The US is far more simplistic, Nascar is neanderthal in comparison.

Not sure what you were watching but it was very obvious she had zero knowledge of the technical aspects, driver dynamics and was winging it as she was simply drafted in as a 'face'. She repeatedly made inaccurate statements and went down weird cul-de-sac's that confused the others.

You are embarrassing yourself now. Suggest you go back to your play station. ‘ Zero knowledge of the technical aspects and driver dynamics ‘ for someone who one an Indy race against men, something like 7 Indycar podiums and one of 14 drivers to have led both Indy 500 and Daytona 500.

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cgt2 said:

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You are embarrassing yourself now. Suggest you go back to your play station. ‘ Zero knowledge of the technical aspects and driver dynamics ‘ for someone who one an Indy race against men, something like 7 Indycar podiums and one of 14 drivers to have led both Indy 500 and Daytona 500.

She was at an F1 race not Indycar

Enlighten us all. What’s your point ? Keep digging

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cgt2 said:

cc3 said:

Enlighten us all. What’s your point ? Keep digging

F1 is very different to Indycar.

Really explain how ?

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MissChief said:

I’d rather have Naomi over Damon or Johnny Herbert.

What can a F1 World Champion who won 20+ Grand Prix and raced against some of the greats Senna and Schumacher possibly offer against a Renault Clio Cup winner in China ?

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robscot said:

MissChief said:

Johnny Herbert.

Laughable contribution from him today really. White and male, so certain people will applaud it?

How’s the diversity and inclusion training module going ?

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F1GTRUeno said:

cc3 said:

What can a F1 World Champion who won 20+ Grand Prix and raced against some of the greats Senna and Schumacher possibly offer against a Renault Clio Cup winner in China ?

Judge the contribution they make, not where they've come from perhaps?

If I need an expert I tend to hire someone with experience of the issue and has been there and done it not someone who has no experience. Same if I’m having surgery on my eyes I prefer someone who has been there done it and has a good track record of success not someone who has only done minor surgery

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thegreenhell said:

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If I need an expert I tend to hire someone with experience of the issue and has been there and done it not someone who has no experience. Same if I’m having surgery on my eyes I prefer someone who has been there done it and has a good track record of success not someone who has only done minor surgery

Would you trust someone who used to be an expert eye surgeon but last did surgery 30 years ago before lasers were invented for the job?

My surgeon is 55 been with him 25 years. Age no barrier
F1 drivers 30/40 years ago had far more risk than drivers of today just look at the death record. They probably know a thing or two about racing.

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And when she’s offering her expert opinion don’t forget she won the Clio Cup in China. That’s her level of experience. She unfortunately got nowhere in W series

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heebeegeetee said:

cc3 said:

And when she’s offering her expert opinion don’t forget she won the Clio Cup in China. That’s her level of experience. She unfortunately got nowhere in W series

But you know that's not all she's done, so for some reason you're being disingenuous.

Let's say it again. She's a multilingual TV presenter who despite being young is articulate, intelligent, good at her job, and has done quite a bit of motor racing. She speaks well and is very presentable.

Dear old Murray Walker (amongst a good few others) had almost none of that in his cv, but he still got a 25 year career out of it. Murray Walker had a voice, and connections through his father. The only other saving grace possibly was that his multiple mistakes in each race gave all us smartar*e armchair viewer multiple opportunities to voice our corrections loudly. I used to love pointing out when Murray was talking about completely the wrong driver.
And James's corrections ("And all I can say about that is bullst") on the BBC

But when she’s on the track side substituting for Brundle giving a technical commentary on a F1 car going through a complex sequence of corners I’d rather hear it from someone who has driven a F1 car not driven a Clio. Fine if she wants to do the Pinkham bit but not the Rosberg/ Davidson/ Brundle technical stuff

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Sandpit Steve said:

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But when she’s on the track side substituting for Brundle giving a technical commentary on a F1 car going through a complex sequence of corners I’d rather hear it from someone who has driven a F1 car not driven a Clio. Fine if she wants to do the Pinkham bit but not the Rosberg/ Davidson/ Brundle technical stuff

She’s a great bridge between the two roles of presenter and analyst. She raced F3 cars after the Clios.

Love that she speaks at least three languages as well.

Can’t see F3 on there her racing record shows Clio racing was about her level.

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rscott said:

Someone mentioned Sam Collins on this thread. He's joined the Twitter debate about Naomi.

I’ve yet to see all this brilliant knowledge of the sport!! Probably thousands of people out there with a similar level of knowledge but never get the opportunity.

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rampageturke said:

A bit of a rant not completely to do with Schiff, but;

My experience with Schiff only really extends to the interview she did with Lewis last year(?) and I thought she was fine, she wasn't outstanding, she wasn't bad, she was an interviewer and she did fine.

I don't watch Sky coverage anymore, F1TV is far better imo. But after listening to the younger blood on F1TV, I feel more than ever now it's time to start rotating out the older crowd in turn for people who are younger. Anthony Davidson and Karun Chandhok are perfect candidates to become the "seniors" of the crew, and just drop Hill and Herbert. Chandhok was a bit of a dud in terms of his time in F1, but is still pretty in-tune with the whole driver aspect. Schiffs current experience in racing is more than adequate imo. SkyF1 have a growing problem with their crew, and it aint schiff.

Young'uns will learn the ropes of broadcasting just fine, give it a little time. It's not like the likes of Hill, Herbert and DiResta are any better.

I'm bored at work and just started rambling a bit and typing it down, sorry if it comes across as incoherent, but Schiff and people like her is what the broadcasting side of F1 needs.

Edited by rampageturke on Thursday 16th June 13:48

You make some good points. I’d be happy if they got rid of Croft, Lazenby, Herbert and had Karun, Ant maybe Ben Edwards, Sam Collins plus a few others and ex F1 drivers. Sky F1 needs a big shake up and all they do is just tinker at the edges

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So it seems the flip side to all the debate is if you don’t think Danica is any good it’s maybe because she is a woman and white? Or maybe none of this thread has anything to do with gender or race and we live in a world where people can no longer express opinions because some people will always try to take the debate onto other issues ?

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carl_w said:

Tricuspid said:

The bottom line is: she's got very little race experience, so not credible as an expert alongside Brundle & co (surely we can at least agree on that?). She's got very little tv experience and nowhere near the quality of Lazenby, Pinkham, Kravitz & co. She tries to do both roles without much success in my opinion, but it's just my opinion and other people like her so fair enough.

Wikipedia shows her as having done 48 races (presumably there was karting before that). Kimi Raikkonen had only done 23 races before starting as a F1 driver let alone pundit.

Seems her only success was racing a Renault Clio in China so hardly the pinnacle of motor racing. Must be thousands of people across the world who have had success at a higher and more challenging level of racing than that

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Lots of talk of racism on this thread but based on little substance. What will be interesting is what example will Red Bull set with Vips. Those allegations appear to relate to actual racism. So I guess he will and should be sacked if true