RE: Ford Fiesta ST: Driven

RE: Ford Fiesta ST: Driven

Friday 11th May 2018

2018 Ford Fiesta ST (Mk8) | Review

Expectations are high, so can a new three-cylinder Fiesta ST really meet them?



In the list named 'unenviable automotive development tasks', replacing the Mk7Fiesta ST must rank pretty highly, up there with creating turbocharged M cars and making a Range Rover go around racetracks. It ranks so highly because the last ST was just so good - for cheap, fast, hilarious fun on four wheels, you couldn't do better. What this Mk8 needs to do, then, is retain that happy-go-lucky side while addressing a few flaws and adding a sliver of maturity to make it more amenable every day. If it can do all that then, well, it should be nigh unbeatable.

Four key areas were identified in the development process to be improved: engine, ride and handling, seating position and noise. Anybody who spent much time in the previous car can certainly vouch for its irritatingly lofty driving perch and good, if unexceptional, 1.6-litre turbocharged engine. As for the dynamics, nobody could argue with the fairly tough ride of the previous incumbent, yet the car was almost unequivocally praised for its sense of naughtiness right up to - and beyond - the limit of grip.


You'll most likely be up to speed with the significant advances made by this ST, and the positives are there almost immediately. The ST looks, feels and generally functions like a higher quality product now, arguably one that belies its fairly modest price. The materials are nicer, the infotainment is vastly improved (it needed to be) and the impression is of a more upmarket hot hatch. Perhaps most importantly, the driving position is so much better; it feels how it must have felt as a child going from a high chair at the table to a normal seat - you feel part of the action, everything you want to get your hands on is closer, and it's just a more comfortable place to park your bum.

Beyond that, the engine change is probably the most notable alteration, so it makes sense to start there. The new 1.5 is, after all, the smallest engine to ever feature in a fast Fiesta (because even the XR2s were 1.6s) and yet the most powerful as well. Indeed it's worth noting that this engine has 25 per cent less capacity, yet 33 per cent more power, than the 2.0-litre Fiesta ST that went out of production just a decade ago. Quite some progress.


It's a great little three-pot too, preferable to the old Ecoboost and feeling at least the equal of anything else in the class. Bar some rather excessive flywheel effect, leaving the revs lingering a little longer than you'd like, it's a very hard engine to fault. Lag is reduced from before yet high rev energy is up; it feels faster than the old Fiesta yet can run on two cylinders (!) imperceptibly, and it sounds more interesting than the four-cylinder that went before.

Well, most of the time. Ford, in its infinite and incorrect wisdom, has equipped the ST with drive modes, which quite frankly it didn't need. Moreover, in an attempt to inject a tangible difference in feel, the most aggressive mode - Race Track follows Normal and Sport - is overdone. So you get too much mini-Giulia Quadrifoglio piped in, too many manufactured overrun pops and too intrusive a drone at constant throttle. It spoils the steering as well, so is best left alone. In Normal mode the engine, and indeed the car, is allowed to show off its talents unencumbered by theatrics: it's energetic, entertaining, revvy and rapid. Top work.


Moreover, while it may still be a tad too far away, the gearbox is the same slick and positive set of six it was before, with reasonably close ratios and a satisfying action. Where previously the powertrain in the Fiesta ST sometimes felt like it was merely a way of transporting you to the next bend-rounding tripod event, it now actively complements the package.

You'll absolutely still be seeking out those bends however, because this ST remains tremendous fun on a twisty road. It's agile, direct and accurate, without ever coming across too seriously. There is undoubtedly a more mature edge to the Fiesta dynamically now though, chassis tweaks giving it greater refinement and composure than before. In fact, they're well worth mentioning, because this ST boasts some very clever suspension tech. The dampers are frequency dependent Tenneco items, in theory delivering both control and refinement. New directionally wound springs are unique to the class and aim to give the rear torsion beam greater lateral stiffness without compromising the ride, or adding the weight a Watt's linkage would bring. There's even a rumour that Michelin's current Pilot Sport 4S was dropped for the Super Sport that's standard fit because it's a gripper tyre.


The result? A Fiesta that still feels pleasingly neutral, adjustable and responsive, although it's become harder to realise those edge-of-grip moments that made it so delicious to lean on the previous model's chassis. The often gratuitous sense of silliness is conspicuous in its absence, and sometimes sorely missed. It's a more precise and focused Fiesta ST, for sure, and for the large part that feels great: more speed can be carried, bumps are certainly more confidently dealt with and there's a load more adhesion. On occasion though, it can feel a bit too grown up.

All cars we had access to on the launch event were equipped with the PerformancePack, which feels like a worthwhile spend of £850 on this experience. The shift lights (or rather, shift light) are fairly naff and the launch control surely won't get much use, but the Quaife differential is a nice addition. While less aggressive and proactive than something like the Torsen item in a 208 GTI, it does mean you get on the throttle hard and early out of bends without fear of any one tyre firing. Working in conjunction with those Michelins (where Bridgestone Potenzas were used before), the ST's traction is very strong, albeit on warm, smooth French roads. The brakes are great too, all the way through the pedal travel, which should transfer to all situations.


To be honest, final assessment of the Fiesta ST comes down to those few things that slightly irk rather than those which impress, because it so convincingly fulfils its wider brief. The drive modes are unnecessary, particularly when the engine's din is combined with steering that has an odd off-centre resistance; the ride can still feel a tad restless on occasion, too, despite the overhaul - and, er, the voice for the sat-nav directions is rather annoying.

It really is difficult to fault the Fiesta ST on much, especially since it delivers such a fine first impression. Quick, engaging, capable and affordable, it's everything you would want from an updated fast Ford in 2018. But there is much left to consider. Could it prove a little too mature for those addicted to the old ST's hooligan nature? What about that ride back in the UK? Can a three-cylinder engine, good in isolation, really match the Yaris's supercharged 1.8 and the Peugeot's very rapid 1.6 for sheer fun? Those are all questions to tackle in the not too distant future, of course. At the very least, the Fiesta has got us truly excited about discovering the answers...

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Specification - 2018 Ford Fiesta ST (Mk8)
Engine 1,497cc, turbocharged 3-cyl
Transmission 6-speed manual, front-wheel drive
Power (hp) 200@6,000rpm
Torque (lb ft) 214@1,600-4,000rpm
0-62mph 6.5sec
Top speed 144mph
Weight 1,262kg (EU, with driver)
MPG 47.1
CO2 136g/km
Price £18,995

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DoreenWong

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Thursday 10th May 2018
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So the press are going as crazy for this as they were for the MK7 ST, but once you start adding spec you are almost in 3 year old MK3 Focus RS territory when it comes to price?

DoreenWong

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Thursday 10th May 2018
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Why all the sarcasm at my expense? Yes its new but apart from that I cant see what it offers over a similarly priced 3 year old RS?

Are people that afraid of 3 year old motors that they'd pay the same for something inferior on paper just to say its new? Or are we seriously saying this car is better than the RS?

DoreenWong

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Thursday 10th May 2018
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Jimmy Recard said:
Because the price of a used car is irrelevant really. What's the point in getting a used Focus for that price when you could get an even more used Lotus?

You can take your argument on and on and on. Ultimately you're not comparing fairly. You could get a three year old Fiesta ST for even less, so therefore no one should buy a new one. For example.
I don't think you're being fair JR. Someone in the market for a Ford hatch that puts a smile on their face, is quick, has pops and bangs, launch control, drinks fuel, various drive modes - the two cars are very much comparable. Including in cost now. The only difference is one is 4WD, quicker, basically does everything the ST does but better ... but it's new so that's what people should want apparently? Put a private plate on your RS if it bothers you that much what the neighbours think and you have neighbours who think a new ST is better than a 2 year old RS!!!! Bringing up a used Lotus is unfair.




DoreenWong

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Thursday 10th May 2018
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Jon_S_Rally said:
Amazing that people still don't understand the difference between old cars and new ones.

I'm looking forward to driving one of these. I was a bit worried that the addition of drive modes and the like might tarnish this new version and it does appear that they haven't really added anything positive. It's a shame that manufacturers insist on making cars more and more complex, just for the sake of it.
Is that a dig at me? What is the difference, prey tell? FYI a 2 year old RS probably still would be going out as a PCP and with 5 year warranties they still have 3 of those left. Lots of Ford dealers are knocking out used RS cars on PCP hence my original point. But yes if it's new it must be better by definition. Excuse me while I go purchase a new Aygo then go tell my neighbour that I have something superior to his 3 year old Gallardo because it's new and thus by definition infinitely superior.

DoreenWong

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Thursday 10th May 2018
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SCEtoAUX said:
If I were in the market for a fast Ford at this price bracket I'd go RS Focus every time.
Exactly. I don't get why someone would be like 'I would like a fast Ford hatch that pops and bangs and has a launch control so I'll go for the Fiesta not the Focus'. Do people really put such a premium on a number plate number compared to actual performance, it's laughable.

DoreenWong

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Friday 11th May 2018
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rtz62 said:
Exactly this for me ^
I posted some while back on a different thread about a chinky-chento sporting I once had (don’t judge me, I’d just kicked my first wife out) and espoused that it was fun as you could drive it flat out and have fun for a greater % of the time than the Sierra Cosworth I’d had to sell.
Similarly, I can see this being great fun for the same reasons.
It won’t suit me as a car, as I need an estate (kids, dogs, wife in the boot) but we’re I in the market I’d jump at one on PCP (the finance, not the drug...).
Yes I’d love a 3yr old RS Focus but warranty and the ability to get that PCP will send many down the new car route.
This is exactly my point - you can get an RS with warranty and PCP even if its used.

DoreenWong

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GTEYE said:
Jeez there's some nonsense on here...

Why if you were looking at a well specc'd new Fiesta ST at possibly £23/24k or whatever with all the extras might you not also consider a lightly used Focus RS (2 years old). A Focus ST is probably closer to the mark, but the RS is not so far out.

Sure the Focus might stretch the budget a bit, and its not new, agreed, but both can be bought on PCP and with warranties so it's hardly a ridiculous comparison.

On PH the (rather crazy) assumption seems to be that people will only buy new or only buy used - the reality is people will buy to their budget - sometimes I've bought new cars, sometimes I've bought used - what's the big deal - you go in with your eyes open. If you were looking at a new car, its highly unlikely you'd be looking at 15 year old cars, but you might well be looking at what's out there at 0-2 years old. Oversupply in the market means you can buy very lightly used cars for massively less than the cost of new - so these are definitely a valid comparison to the new one.

Sure the finance deals on new will be better, but you can shop around on finance, again its no big deal.

For my money, the new ST looks like a great car, improving on the things that were wrong with the last one - and given 12 months there will be some cracking deals on them I'm sure - now is definitely not the time to buy.
You're absolutely right. Clearly there are people walking around who think that it's impossible to get PCP/warranties on a lightly used car. The very same people are often the first to lambast others for supposed ignorance, telling me I'm pointing out used cars are cheaper. No, I'm pointing out that you can get something objectively better for the same money for the same cost if you go 1-2 years old rather than this thing which looks like an RS knock off rather than carrying on the proud independence of the ST. I mean do we really need a launch control in an ST?

The person will be in the ford dealership, looking at a fast ford. Is it that crazy to think they might realise they can get the RS for the same money?

DoreenWong

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Friday 11th May 2018
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GTEYE said:
Of course the running costs are different - I actually noted a Focus ST might be nearer the mark than the RS.

But unless people are stretching themselves to the absolute financial limit to get their new Fiesta ST (unwise), then some nearly new alternatives fall into the same or similar budget. The examples you've quoted are all much older used cars so I agree they would not be a relevant comparison.

According to Drive the Deal a well specc'd ST3 Performance Pack came out at circa £22,500 after discount.

For only £3,000 more at £25,500 you could be driving a delivery mileage M140i:

https://www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/201...

Now the point is you could have a better car for not so much more (even less on a monthly) - and what have you lost? 6 months worth of warranty and the latest registration (big deal).

But assuming you could afford £3,000 extra (not a given I agree), there's a whole world of alternatives out there. Not 10 year old tired wrecks, we're comparing 2 effectively new cars.

The point is, choice is out there. Different things for different people. Neither the used buyer or the new buyer are crazy, its each to their own

Edited by GTEYE on Friday 11th May 12:37
Well said. Amazing that people seem so dumbfounded by the idea that people in a Ford dealership looking at a hot hatch at £18-20k might find themselves thinking hang on, for a couple of grand more I could be in the RS. And yes a top end ST-3 with full spec is about £23k compared to lets say £25k at present for an RS. Somehow that point gets misconstrued as 'new cars are more expensive, duh', as if that's what's being said? Bringing up BMWs and Loti is ludicrous as in this case the person is there in the Ford dealership surrounded by other Fords including the RS.

So people end up bringing up running costs to supposedly win the argument, as it 200 extra insurance is the deal breaker here.

'I was going to buy a Fiesta ST, but I bought an RS instead and the extra £200 per annum ended up bankrupting me as the margin for me between solvency and complete bankruptcy is less than £200' - who is going to end up saying that?

DoreenWong

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Sunday 13th May 2018
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CheezyMcWeezy said:
Wong is actually correct, particularly when you consider the residual value of the RS. A new ST will lose roughly 50% of its value over first 3 years of ownership whereas an RS now will retail for £20-25k and probably still be worth roughly the same after 3 years. It's a completely false economy to go for the ST as the money lost in depreciation on the residuals dwarfs the small extra costs on insurance and fuel (petrol).
I think 'CheezyMcWeezy' is completely correct - surprised Ford have the nerve to sell these TBH. A used RS trumps this new ST in every regard.

1) faster
2) better residuals
3) louder pops and bangs
4) 4WD
5) Drift mode

So someone is faced with forking out north of £20k for a depreciating ST or roughly the same for an RS that won't go down hmmmm yes sign me up to lose £10k on the residuals please lol jokes.

DoreenWong

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CheezyMcWeezy said:
Fun is completely subjective so I don't know why you're attempting to talk with objective authority about which vehicle is better. Early reviews all seem to suggest the MK7 ST is more fun than the MK8 ST, enough of them to think it's likely to be correct (i.e. more than one bloke's opinion).

So in terms of fun, MK7 ST > MK3 RS > MK8 ST.

Also what's the point of a car you have to be on the edge to enjoy, how often are you doing that? You talk dismissively of pottering/nipping about town as if you're talking about an Aygo.
RS is the better car. People deluding themselves that the ST is better because they can't afford it, it's as simple as that. Tragic to see but true. Why buy an ST MK8 when you can pretty much get RS MK3 for same money now?

DoreenWong

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Monday 14th May 2018
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+ The ST will half in value over next 3 years whereas the RS will probably go up tbh.

DoreenWong

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Tuesday 15th May 2018
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CheezyMcWeezy said:
Fun is completely subjective so I don't know why you're attempting to talk with objective authority about which vehicle is better. Early reviews all seem to suggest the MK7 ST is more fun than the MK8 ST, enough of them to think it's likely to be correct (i.e. more than one bloke's opinion).

So in terms of fun, MK7 ST > MK3 RS > MK8 ST.

Also what's the point of a car you have to be on the edge to enjoy, how often are you doing that? You talk dismissively of pottering/nipping about town as if you're talking about an Aygo.
Grown man on the internet calling himself cheesy mc weezy lecturing everyone else on how they live their lives!! Classic example of someone who wants to buy new conning themselves in to thinking its better deal!