RE: Alpina XD3 and XD4 go on sale with 516lb ft

RE: Alpina XD3 and XD4 go on sale with 516lb ft

Monday 20th August 2018

Alpina XD3 and XD4 go on sale with 516lb ft

Alpina has fettled BMW's X3 and X4 to produce 333hp versions that drink only from the black pump



It’s been five months since Alpina revealed its new XD3 at the Geneva motor show with a tarmac stretching torque output, but the German marque has only just opened order books in Britain. For £57,900 you can now enjoy Alpina’s reworked X3 with a twin-turbocharged 3.0-litre six-cylinder diesel engine, providing your right foot with the reigns to 333hp and a substantial 516lb ft of torque from just 1750rpm.

Alongside the XD3 is the new XD4 – Alpina’s version of the X4 – that uses the same engine, which gives the pairing 14lb ft more than the BMW M40d variants. For those wondering, Alpina’s new cars can also beat BMW’s hottest diesel models to 62mph by two tenths at 4.7sec and exceed their 155mph limited top speeds by 3mph. The new XD3 also offers modest bragging rights over its predecessor with two tenths shaved off the 0-62mph time and 2mph added to its top speed.


PHers based on the continent will be offered even more performance as their XD3 and XD4 models will use quad-turbocharged version of the same black pump-fed six-pot. That motor provides 388hp and 568lb ft, cutting the 0-62mph times of cars sold on the other side of the channel to 4.6sec and upping their top speeds to 165mph. Unfortunately, as per the wider decision regarding the phatter oil-burner, no right-hand drive cars will be made available this side of the channel.

Obviously, fuel economy and CO2 are high on criteria list for buyers of hot DERV models, but anyone expecting to see gains in efficiency over the X3's predecessor will be disappointed; thanks to the new Worldwide Harmonised Light Vehicle Test Procedure (WLTP to you and I ) the new cars – on paper at least – fare worse. Official figures state that the two all-wheel drive Alpina diesels emit 238g/km and offer 31.4mpg combined. This compares to 174g/km and 42.8mpg in the old XD3, although Alpina claims that in real-world driving scenarios the new car is about the same.


Along with their new powertrain, the XD3 and XD4 come with the usual Alpina enhancements, which include adjustable dampers with firmer springs and those gorgeous multi-spoke alloy wheels in 20-inch or optional forged 22-inch forms. There are also four-piston brake calipers with 395mm discs at the front and 370mm discs at the rear as standard, although buyers can specify uprated composite brakes to enhance stopping power further.

On sale now, the XD3 and XD4 are presently the quickest X3 ad X4 variants you can buy. That will change when the BMW X3 M and X4 M models arrive from the Bavarian car maker’s performance arm using the same twin-turbocharged six-cylinder as the M3/M4 to offer around 430hp. Although not even M Division's ouput will match the Alpinas for exclusivity – just 12 per cent of XD3 and XD4 sales are predicted to reach Blighty’s shores. 14 of the last generation XD3 ended up here - and before Dieselgate erupted, they sold like proverbial hot cakes.


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Ares

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Saw my first new X4 in the BMW dealer yesterday. Impressed, a lot less of the ugly ducking the old one was, especially the new corporate BMW back end.

Shame these Alpina versions don't up the ante as much power/performance-wise as the usual Alpina treatment, but with marginal cost increase, they are an attractive proposition in the market.


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Notanotherturbo said:
Diesel, super complicated 4 turbo set up, could turn out to be the worst depreciating car BMW have made and the scariest ever 2nd hand super bargain smile
Twin turbo. And they've been doing fine on depreciation since launch 8yrs ago?

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996GT3_Matt said:
Perhaps my lack of enthusiasm for diesel is constrained by my limited exposure, so I am genuinely interested as to whether BMW et al produce ‘better’ engines which rev more freely and therefore appeal more to the enthusiastic driver?
They do to a point, but, I think you're missing the point with the rev freely fixation.......that's not what a 'performance' diesel is all about.
It's about monster torque, and the performance comes from keeping the engine in that torque band, not trying to rev it.
That's why in the real world on the road, a 'performance diesel' with a ZF8 auto (or similar) is such a weapon, especially with 700Nm of torque.

If you try and drive a diesel engine the same way as a petrol engine, let alone a n/a petrol engine, that's simply not understanding the basic way these engines deliver their performance.
Never can understand the fixation of wanting a car that needs to be revved excessively highly to extract maximum performance.

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996GT3_Matt said:
Ares said:
aeropilot said:
996GT3_Matt said:
Perhaps my lack of enthusiasm for diesel is constrained by my limited exposure, so I am genuinely interested as to whether BMW et al produce ‘better’ engines which rev more freely and therefore appeal more to the enthusiastic driver?
They do to a point, but, I think you're missing the point with the rev freely fixation.......that's not what a 'performance' diesel is all about.
It's about monster torque, and the performance comes from keeping the engine in that torque band, not trying to rev it.
That's why in the real world on the road, a 'performance diesel' with a ZF8 auto (or similar) is such a weapon, especially with 700Nm of torque.

If you try and drive a diesel engine the same way as a petrol engine, let alone a n/a petrol engine, that's simply not understanding the basic way these engines deliver their performance.
Never can understand the fixation of wanting a car that needs to be revved excessively highly to extract maximum performance.
There is no fixation, want or need! Merely an occasional desire to enjoy a car’s performance.

Indirectly you have answered my question, so thank you.
Enjoying a cars performance and revving highly are mutually exclusive events though?

I gain maximum performance from all 510 of my horses without going much above 6,000rpm?

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Avalyn said:
Because to a lot of people it's fun ..

Nailing the throttle at low revs, and feeling the car start to dig in, maybe a VTec like cam change at 5K or so, or the howl of a flat 6, the rate of change of acceleration as you put on more revs/speed and the length of time you spend in that gear. For me that's pure joy.
....or a turbo..? wink

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Avalyn said:
I think a good analogy for me is flying ... when you're on the runway, the pilot builds up some boost and releases the brakes - that initial acceleration is exciting, however once the rate of change of acceleration become linear (I guess after you take off to cruising speed, what would that be? 150 - 600 mph?) you've no actual sense of the change of speed. It's dull. You may be compressed into your seat a wee bit, but it's nothing like that initial whey hey!

Part of the fun in an old school turbo motor, is the off boost behavior (I'm not talking about turbo lag here either) .. you had to be in the right gear, if you wanted to really go you had to be in 2nd at 30. If you were caught in 3rd/4th there wouldn't be much go. Nowadays where all cars have so many gears, and are mapped to have torque from 1,250-1,500 revs you're never caught out. It's all just mash the pedal .. too easy biggrin
Good analogy, but then you lose it. You still get that shove, wherever in the rev range it is. Gearing has nothing to do with it, whether it is you or the autobox, box will hold onto the gear for as long as is needed to maximise performance. You'll still get your shove. Regardless of fuel.

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996GT3_Matt said:
No I am not having a laugh, it is a genuine question for someone who has owned an array of both diesel and petrol performance cars. You have not, but thanks all the same however for copying & pasting your chosen statistic to back up your point.

Perhaps my question was a little vague or confusing, because the absolute performance differential (hard data) is not what I concerned with, more how other diesel engines ‘feel.’ Based on my very limited exposure to diesels, the Mercedes unit (whilst perfectly suited to its application in an automatic C class) is devoid of character and this would therefore deter me from considering another diesel.

Perhaps my lack of enthusiasm for diesel is constrained by my limited exposure, so I am genuinely interested as to whether BMW et al produce ‘better’ engines which rev more freely and therefore appeal more to the enthusiastic driver?
Forget fuel.

You're comparing a dull low-to-mid range saloon with a hot hatch, then citing the dull low-to-mid range saloon doesn't feel as spritely and fun as a hot hatch.

It's nothing to do with the fuel.