RE: Diesel replaces V8 in new Audi S6 and S7

RE: Diesel replaces V8 in new Audi S6 and S7

Thursday 11th April 2019

Diesel replaces V8 in new Audi S6 and S7

Ingolstadt ditches petrol in favour of electric-powered compressor tech



Just when it looked like diesel might have died a death as far as performance cars are concerned, Audi - and, by extension, Volkswagen - have made it clear that they still see life at the end of the oil-burning tunnel. Having already introduced a V8 TDI Tourareg and diesel SQ5 (again), Audi has revealed a new S6 and S7 that will be powered exclusively by a 3.0-litre TDI. 

This being a 2019 diesel Audi though, it’s not your regular oil burning old nail. Like the SQ7, these S models use an electric powered compressor, which responds in 250 milliseconds to provide a boost at revs up to 1,650rpm. Essentially it’s there until the exhaust turbo is up to speed: “The EPC supports the TDI’s turbocharger whenever there is insufficient energy in the exhaust gas for spontaneous torque buildup – when starting off or accelerating at low load, from a low engine speed” is how Audi describes it. Working in conjunction with the regular turbo – Audi rather confusingly calls it ‘dual supercharging’ – the EPC provides the S6 and S7 with 516lb ft from 2,500-3,100rpm. Essentially, therefore, it’s a lot like the SQ5 installation. Or sounds like it, at least.


Unlike the SQ5, but along similar lines to the SQ7, these cars use the 48v mild hybrid system with belt alternator starter and lithium ion battery. The former can recover up to 8kW of power when the car is slowing down, storing energy in the latter. Audi claims the technology allows for start-stop operation from 14mph, and a fuel saving of up to 0.4 litres (presumably per 100km) in “real driving conditions.”

All together, Audi says the S6/7 powertrain is good for 349hp, meaning five seconds flat to 62mph for the S6 saloon, or a tenth more for the S7 and S6 Avant. The important efficiency numbers range from 43.5-45.5mpg and 164-171g/km depending on model and wheel size.

Keeping up? Good, because there’s a little more. Like all S Audis, these S6s and S7 use quattro with a self-locking centre diff (and up to 85 per cent of the power going back), but there’s a brace of firsts as well: adaptive air suspension hasn’t been seen on an S model before, and is available here as a “comfort-oriented alternative” to the standard 20mm lower sports set up, and there’s all-wheel steering as an option, too. Audi says the technology, working in conjunction with dynamic steering, makes the cars “more manoeuvrable and agile at low speeds, and provides more directional stability at high speeds when changing lanes.” Seems a little superfluous for cars that will never leave the outside lane, but there we are. Those new inclusions join the familiar sport diff, optional ceramic brakes and drive select in the S6 roster of dynamic tech.


It’s business as usual for the styling, too, the S6 and S7 identified by four exhausts, silver mirrors, a new grille and larger – 20-inch as standard, 21s as an option – wheels to mark them out as something a little racier.

Audi will launch the S6 Saloon, S6 Avant and S7 Sportback this summer, with prices kicking off at 76,500 euros in Germany – expect UK prices shortly. Interestingly, these new uberdiesels will be Europe-only, too - the US, Asia and Middle East get the RS4’s 2.9 TFSI petrol with 450hp. Curious. Still, don’t be too disgruntled – the RS6 isn’t far off, either, and one or two V8 S6s are available - this 2018 saloon is barely run in, and already less than £40k...










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anonymous-user

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55 months

Thursday 11th April 2019
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What a strange choice given the scrutiny diesel is coming under, surely more battery power and less diesel motor would have been a better choice.

anonymous-user

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Thursday 11th April 2019
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Makes sense really. Most who want a performance estate will stump up for the RS's anyway, this just distances the S and the RS. Lovely inside but will no doubt be a bit of a blunt instrument.




anonymous-user

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Not a fan of this decision, would be nice if Audi can explain why?


anonymous-user

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Dave Hedgehog said:
they dwaddle about oblivious to what's about them but never go over the speed limit
This is how it works around here. Most people do:

40mph on 30mph roads and complain when they get done for it.
45mph on national speed limit roads and complain when they get overtaken.

I'm convinced that most drivers don't know what the national speed limit sign means.

anonymous-user

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Thursday 11th April 2019
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surely a hybrid would be better considering diesel cars are going down the stter.

anonymous-user

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996jim said:
I have a SQ7 and the performance is incredible, noise is superb
That’ll be the one with the speakers in the exhaust to make it sound like a V8 petrol?

anonymous-user

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PantsFire said:
Is this a late April Fool? Who in their right mind is going to buy an S6 diesel?!
Nobody, they will be leased by mean people who want an S badge but cannot afford the car or fuel to go in it.

anonymous-user

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Ares said:
Because Wormus says you shouldn't. nono

Don't you dare have your own opinion!! You cannot be considered a car fan, and certainly not have a 'warm model' badge on your car if you drive a diesel, irrespective of your mileage and circumstances. You should buy an 15yr old MX5 and bask in it's gloriousness.
If you can afford to spend that much on a car, you can normally afford the fuel to put in it. Aldi know most of these will be leased so they make them cheaper for the renters. What other reason can there be to produce such a monstrosity?

anonymous-user

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wormus said:
If you can afford to spend that much on a car, you can normally afford the fuel to put in it. Aldi know most of these will be leased so they make them cheaper for the renters. What other reason can there be to produce such a monstrosity?
Some would say a Saab 95 and Toyota Auris are only useful for kindling and a Monaro is a poor mans Corvette that is driven by someone who talks a lot about ounces smile

Perhaps save the sweeping generalisations for another website?

anonymous-user

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RushDom said:
Look at the press photos in high resolution.

The quad exhausts aren't even real. They are completely, totally fake. It's just a piece of plastic trim that's totally blocked off.

Go and look at spy shots of these cars testing in camo in the Arctic for proof if you don't believe me. Quad 'exhausts' filled up with ice and snow.

WTF is going on?!
Quite. They should come clean and stick the exhaust out of the bonnet for all to see all the sooty loveliness like they do on other tractors.

anonymous-user

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yonex said:
Some would say a Saab 95 and Toyota Auris are only useful for kindling and a Monaro is a poor mans Corvette that is driven by someone who talks a lot about ounces smile

Perhaps save the sweeping generalisations for another website?
Everything in my stable has its purpose and is by design but I feel flattered that you took the time to look.

anonymous-user

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Ares said:
What absolute bks laugh
Really? How many luxury cars like Rolls Royce or performance cars like Ferrari run on diesel?

Audi make fleet fodder and the boss in charge of fixing photocopiers can now drive the S6.

anonymous-user

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Ares said:
How many Rolls Royces and Ferraris compete with a warm Audi saloon?

But the 'bks' element was the assertion/insinuation that anyone that can afford such a car can afford fuel regardless/is unconcerned with fuel consumption.

Have you ever made a post without immature stereotypes in? Or have you recently been turned down for a photocopier repair management position?
My point is it’s an expensive car and in my example using the extreme case of the Rolls Royce, people who can afford to buy the car don’t normally care what fuel it runs on. Most of these will be leased either personally or by a fleet which is why they are more likely to be diesel. In simple words, the average renter will be able to afford £500/month to drive the car but they cannot afford the same on fuel.

What other logical reason is there for turning one of their performance models into a Sooter?

As for your comment about stereotypes, cars are sold into markets by stereotyping their average buyer. In this case a man with pointy shoes and a blue suit called Gavin.


Edited by anonymous-user on Friday 12th April 13:14

anonymous-user

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Clockwork Cupcake said:
Because VAG perceive there to be a market for it?
Indeed. Edited my contribution for added clarity.

anonymous-user

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nickfrog said:
How do you know ? Any data ?

You've got to get this correlation between leasing and being stretched financially out of your head. It can be quite the opposite if the cost of leasing is less than depreciation, which is often the case.
No data but common sense really. Most people rent within a fixed cost envelope x on the lease, y on the fuel etc. The car becomes more affordable and accessible if it’s cheaper to run. Things like depreciation don’t come into it.

Do you have data to prove this is not the case?

anonymous-user

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Ares said:
It's a bit like saying, 99% of the world thinks you are an embittered thunder, can you prove this is not the case?
Must be awful but sadly I cannot, perhaps you should try mixing in different circles?


Edited by anonymous-user on Friday 12th April 18:41

anonymous-user

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Saturday 13th April 2019
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Fox- said:
Because as you say, no one gets them currently and Audi want to sell cars.
the depreciation on the car will far outweigh pidding fuel saving. and audi dumping a derv in just as they are being ostracized smacks of desperation to use a engine developed.

anonymous-user

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legless said:
I hate having to fill the fking thing up every 3 days. Range is more important to me than costs.
you do 550 miles a week? Diesel cost saving would add up.

anonymous-user

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Saturday 13th April 2019
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is it a company car?

anonymous-user

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nickfrog said:
Indeed, I have a feeling they understand their business better than the average PH "expert".
I'm no expert but also not a subservient to all news, maybe refresh your memory..

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Volkswagen_emissions...