compatibility...
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so thinking about this the other day - if were going to get this sorted and up and running.... we need to take charging seriously...
Cars these days - Unleaded diesel or LPG thats like three choices - just about every garage you go to has at least two of those on pump. there is no confusion of pump nozels fitting, a petrol will fit a petrol and a diesel will fit a diesel. its kinda hard to get it mixed up but you can if careless still put petrol into a diesel. They even refuel at roughly the same speed, no slow granny pumps... 50 litres per minute thats what how many miles is that....
The fueling is pretty simple. even all the different companies providing fuel has a great interchangability with the many different IC engined cars that are availiable,.
that is where we need to be with cars. where we need to find oursleves with charging.
How can that be achieved ?
look at how we have embraced the USB it is pretty universal everywhere and we can charge so many items of quipment from that, its a definite standard and one that is used by thousands every day. so what about EV charging, what about the elephant in the room.
Charging needs to be inboard. It needs to be within the car architecture, thats no biggie, its no really its not. it might be a cost that needs to be factored into a car but it needs to be. We need to have an electrical standard, a provision of 800v 1600v or even 3200v supplies. with an availability of power capacity to what the car can take. you plug in the car and off it goes it consumes with it wants. Not the charger, not there at the side of the road but inboard. Thats the way forward. every electric car can be plugged into any and every charger point and take charge of the provided power. Our infrastructure cant exist with every single manufacturer demanding a certain type of supply... it wont work.
Cars these days - Unleaded diesel or LPG thats like three choices - just about every garage you go to has at least two of those on pump. there is no confusion of pump nozels fitting, a petrol will fit a petrol and a diesel will fit a diesel. its kinda hard to get it mixed up but you can if careless still put petrol into a diesel. They even refuel at roughly the same speed, no slow granny pumps... 50 litres per minute thats what how many miles is that....
The fueling is pretty simple. even all the different companies providing fuel has a great interchangability with the many different IC engined cars that are availiable,.
that is where we need to be with cars. where we need to find oursleves with charging.
How can that be achieved ?
look at how we have embraced the USB it is pretty universal everywhere and we can charge so many items of quipment from that, its a definite standard and one that is used by thousands every day. so what about EV charging, what about the elephant in the room.
Charging needs to be inboard. It needs to be within the car architecture, thats no biggie, its no really its not. it might be a cost that needs to be factored into a car but it needs to be. We need to have an electrical standard, a provision of 800v 1600v or even 3200v supplies. with an availability of power capacity to what the car can take. you plug in the car and off it goes it consumes with it wants. Not the charger, not there at the side of the road but inboard. Thats the way forward. every electric car can be plugged into any and every charger point and take charge of the provided power. Our infrastructure cant exist with every single manufacturer demanding a certain type of supply... it wont work.
JonnyVTEC said:
Not sure what you are highlighting here but feels like you don’t quite understand the product as much as you think?
Cars already have chargers for AC. DC pretty much goes straight into the battery.
highlighting that there shouldnt be the number of charger types and that it should pretty much be any charger ay vehicle. uniform connectivity. interchangeability. Cars already have chargers for AC. DC pretty much goes straight into the battery.
Edited by JonnyVTEC on Monday 31st May 18:17
No ideas for a name said:
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Yup I didnt put down very clear what I was tryingt to say. My intention was to try and convey the need to have every car and every charge point the same. And every point to charge from being able to charge every car. And be able to supply the right amount of power voltage and current. Yes I get that we have some compatibility but its not quite there, needs uniformity right across the manufacturers. An ability to be suitable for the next few years as different electric cars come on line with different needs the source points can supply.
VRUSS.... vehicle recharge universal supply source.
kambites said:
ruggedscotty said:
And be able to supply the right amount of power voltage and current.
If you mean every charger be able to charge every car as fast as the car is capable of, I don't think that's viable (because it would require updating every charger every time any manufacturer releases a new faster charging system) or necessary. Otherwise, as people have said, we're pretty much standardised across Europe already. Right now if you have a CCS capable car (which is most of them) you can go up to almost any charger in the UK except Tesla Superchargers and expect to be able to use it. The few CHAdeMO only chargers still out there are quickly disappearing. I think we're stuck with the Supercharger network being separate for the moment (unless the EU passes a judgment against it from an anti-competitive standpoint) but ultimately once the mainstream charging network really gets up to speed, I think the Supercharger network will have fulfilled its purpose and will start to disappear or will simply get opened up to other manufacturers' vehicles.
Edited by kambites on Thursday 3rd June 07:45
I dont think the system is where it needs to be, but it could be
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