New emissions for kit cars consultation
Discussion
YOU MUST READ THIS
https://www.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploa...
Salient points to start you off
You will note at annex E that no kit car manufacturers, suppliers or kit car clubs have been included as of now
Kit car emissions
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4.10 Kit cars and reconstructed classic cars undergoing IVA will not be required to meet WLTP, given that at present they are not required to meet NEDC or the latest EU standards. Instead they are tested to age-appropriate MOT standards, on the basis of the date of manufacture or first use of the engine.
4.11 We are proposing that for kit cars, compliance with the MOT emissions standards current at the date of registration will be required, despite the use of an older engine. In other words the current relaxation for emissions according to the age of the engine will no longer apply.
4.12 Reconstructed (restored) classic cars undergoing IVA will not be required to meet the latest MOT standards, as long as the appearance of the vehicle is broadly unchanged and the engine is of the same capacity as that supplied with the vehicle when it was new.
4.13 When new vehicles were first required to be fitted with catalytic converters around 1992 (Euro 1 emissions standard), kit car makers typically used older engines which were not fitted with catalytic converters, hence the justification for age-appropriate testing of emissions based on date of engine manufacture or first use. The majority of the fleet is now vehicles up to 25 years old whose engines are fitted with catalytic converters, providing plenty of choice to the kit car builder.
Question.
Are you content with our proposal to require kit cars to meet the latest MOT standards, removing the current rule where vehicles are tested to MOT standards according to the age of their engine?
The consultation period begins on Friday 2 February 2018 and runs until Friday 2 March 2018. Please ensure that your response reaches us before the closing date. If you would like further copies of this consultation document, it can be found at https://www.gov.uk/dft#consultations or you can contact us using the details below if you need alternative formats (Braille, audio CD, etc.).
Please send consultation responses to: Robert Lloyd-Smith
Zone 1/33, Great Minster House
33 Horseferry Road
LONDON SW1P 4DR
Email to: ivs.consult@dft.gsi.gov.uk
When responding, please state whether you are responding as an individual or representing the views of an organisation. If responding on behalf of a larger organisation, please make it clear who the organisation represents and, where applicable, how the views of members were assembled.
A list of the main representative bodies consulted is attached at Annex E. If you have any suggestions of others who may wish to be involved in this process please contact us.
Annex E: List of those notified of the consultation
Society of Motor Manufacturers and Traders (SMMT) National Motor Dealers Association (NMDA)
Vehicle Bodybuilders and Repairers Association (VBRA) National Caravan Council (NCC)
Wheelchair Accessible Vehicle Converters Association (WAVCA) British Independent Motor Traders Association (BIMTA) American Import Agents Association (AIAA)
Niche Vehicle Network (NVN)
National Trailer Towing Association (NTTA)
Recovery Equipment Manufacturers and Suppliers Association (REMSA) Road Safety Markings Association (RSMA)
Freight Transport Association (FTA)
Road Haulage Association (RHA)
Confederation of Passenger Transport (CPT)
Transport for London (TfL)
Local Government Association (LGA)
Low Carbon Vehicle Partnership (LowCVP)
https://www.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploa...
Salient points to start you off
You will note at annex E that no kit car manufacturers, suppliers or kit car clubs have been included as of now
Kit car emissions
Taken from www.gov
Road Cars
Improving air quality and safety
Kit cars
4.10 Kit cars and reconstructed classic cars undergoing IVA will not be required to meet WLTP, given that at present they are not required to meet NEDC or the latest EU standards. Instead they are tested to age-appropriate MOT standards, on the basis of the date of manufacture or first use of the engine.
4.11 We are proposing that for kit cars, compliance with the MOT emissions standards current at the date of registration will be required, despite the use of an older engine. In other words the current relaxation for emissions according to the age of the engine will no longer apply.
4.12 Reconstructed (restored) classic cars undergoing IVA will not be required to meet the latest MOT standards, as long as the appearance of the vehicle is broadly unchanged and the engine is of the same capacity as that supplied with the vehicle when it was new.
4.13 When new vehicles were first required to be fitted with catalytic converters around 1992 (Euro 1 emissions standard), kit car makers typically used older engines which were not fitted with catalytic converters, hence the justification for age-appropriate testing of emissions based on date of engine manufacture or first use. The majority of the fleet is now vehicles up to 25 years old whose engines are fitted with catalytic converters, providing plenty of choice to the kit car builder.
Question.
Are you content with our proposal to require kit cars to meet the latest MOT standards, removing the current rule where vehicles are tested to MOT standards according to the age of their engine?
The consultation period begins on Friday 2 February 2018 and runs until Friday 2 March 2018. Please ensure that your response reaches us before the closing date. If you would like further copies of this consultation document, it can be found at https://www.gov.uk/dft#consultations or you can contact us using the details below if you need alternative formats (Braille, audio CD, etc.).
Please send consultation responses to: Robert Lloyd-Smith
Zone 1/33, Great Minster House
33 Horseferry Road
LONDON SW1P 4DR
Email to: ivs.consult@dft.gsi.gov.uk
When responding, please state whether you are responding as an individual or representing the views of an organisation. If responding on behalf of a larger organisation, please make it clear who the organisation represents and, where applicable, how the views of members were assembled.
A list of the main representative bodies consulted is attached at Annex E. If you have any suggestions of others who may wish to be involved in this process please contact us.
Annex E: List of those notified of the consultation
Society of Motor Manufacturers and Traders (SMMT) National Motor Dealers Association (NMDA)
Vehicle Bodybuilders and Repairers Association (VBRA) National Caravan Council (NCC)
Wheelchair Accessible Vehicle Converters Association (WAVCA) British Independent Motor Traders Association (BIMTA) American Import Agents Association (AIAA)
Niche Vehicle Network (NVN)
National Trailer Towing Association (NTTA)
Recovery Equipment Manufacturers and Suppliers Association (REMSA) Road Safety Markings Association (RSMA)
Freight Transport Association (FTA)
Road Haulage Association (RHA)
Confederation of Passenger Transport (CPT)
Transport for London (TfL)
Local Government Association (LGA)
Low Carbon Vehicle Partnership (LowCVP)
smokey mow said:
PaulKemp said:
You will note at annex E that no kit car manufacturers, suppliers or kit car clubs have been included as of now
The established kit car industry looks to be very will represented amongst the bodies listed in Annex E, although I don't disagree that it's still worth making out own representations.A quick check shows Caterham as members of the SMMT and the Niche Vehicle Network list both GBS and Westfield as member companies.
I did not see these manufacturers in annex E
Do me a favour and add the link
Ta
Addendum to last post
Caterham are not kit manufacturers as we know them, although you can buy a very expensive box of bits
Westfield would like to be a mini Caterham
I have more respect for GBS as a kit supplier
BUT what about the other respected suppliers and the little guys?
Don’t forget Jeremy Phillips cars are mostly owned and produced by very small companies and what about the true build it from scratch guys.
We have a lot to loose
An awful lot
Caterham are not kit manufacturers as we know them, although you can buy a very expensive box of bits
Westfield would like to be a mini Caterham
I have more respect for GBS as a kit supplier
BUT what about the other respected suppliers and the little guys?
Don’t forget Jeremy Phillips cars are mostly owned and produced by very small companies and what about the true build it from scratch guys.
We have a lot to loose
An awful lot
BobE said:
I have now had confirmation via the assistant to my local MP that the new rules - if they come into force - will not be retrospective. They will apply to cars registered later in 2018 at a date to be confirmed. Anyone building a car with an engine that won’t comply with current emissions legislation needs to get it registered and IVA’d as soon as possible as a contingency against Government madness....
I see a lot of people posting....Any of you taken the time to write a response to the consultation?
I have!
If you want your voice heard you should reply to the consultation and at the very least ask for a transition period of 4 years which is the average time builders take to complete a self build.
My main argument was that the current engine age related emissions requirement was working and given more time would meet the consultations requirement.
I also mentioned kit replicas and how they would be wiped out but that manufacturers could still build continuation models
And back on subject.....
This is not about your cars currently registered
This about every one building and the cliff edge proposal for newly IVA’d cars Sept 2018 t comply with the post 1995 MOT emissions.
So all those with a registered car please send a response to the consultation and let’s hear from those currently building and those hoping to build in the future
RESPOND TO THE CONSULTATION OR LOOSE AFORDABLE KIT CARS
This is not about your cars currently registered
This about every one building and the cliff edge proposal for newly IVA’d cars Sept 2018 t comply with the post 1995 MOT emissions.
So all those with a registered car please send a response to the consultation and let’s hear from those currently building and those hoping to build in the future
RESPOND TO THE CONSULTATION OR LOOSE AFORDABLE KIT CARS
If you all took the same effort to respond to the consultation as you have endlessly going round in circles on this forum thread we would have a bigger voice and possibly make a difference.
One of the key issues is those who are building (or want to build a replica) will not be able to meet the new regs
The second and arguably more pressing issue is the consultations date of change to emissions requirement.
This will hugely disadvantage those currently building and at the very least we want more time to complete our builds before having to comply.
As you seem to like analogies it is like a person building their own home who is out of the ground and halfway up the walls to be told building regulations have changed and his foundations (footings) need to be ½ a meter deeper next week.
Now stop pontificating and write that response.
I have
One of the key issues is those who are building (or want to build a replica) will not be able to meet the new regs
The second and arguably more pressing issue is the consultations date of change to emissions requirement.
This will hugely disadvantage those currently building and at the very least we want more time to complete our builds before having to comply.
As you seem to like analogies it is like a person building their own home who is out of the ground and halfway up the walls to be told building regulations have changed and his foundations (footings) need to be ½ a meter deeper next week.
Now stop pontificating and write that response.
I have
Feeling a little smug now.
It was an uphill struggle, the negativity encountered was not helpful but in the end those 2000 submissions did help as did the involvement of publications and manufacturers.
I hope if we have to respond again in the future that the response will be supportive and overwhelming.
It was an uphill struggle, the negativity encountered was not helpful but in the end those 2000 submissions did help as did the involvement of publications and manufacturers.
I hope if we have to respond again in the future that the response will be supportive and overwhelming.
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