tangerine dream..spare tickets?...great band..fave gig..LP?

[countachman]

qube_TA said:

Jerome quit working with his Dad about a decade ago, apparently there was a fall out over the music they were making.

As much as I thought the period where he was working with Ed was generally quite weak, it really tanked after he left!

Ed has this chap called Thorsten Quaeschning who is a good musician but works for a band called Picture Palace Music, both bands sound the same now. He seems to write most of the songs, must just submit them to Ed for approval. There are 3 girls and a guitarist who appear on stage with them to give something to look at but they contribute very little if at all to the music.

Incidentally Jerome set up a band with Johannes Schmoelling of classic 80's TD fame called LOOM, the music they've written together is generally quite weak but the production quality is miles better than any Ed has done in 25 years, they've done a handful of gigs which are a little more interesting as they're more the oldschool type TD affair without Franke's epic sequencer-driven rhythm section. But it is a lot more performance led with actual playing and they dip into the classic TD back catalogue a lot. There's talk of them doing some UK dates this year, I think they'd be worth a punt.

But if you're stuck for that classic TD sound there's always: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5FR6OBELUXU


Yes yes yes..great link thats what I like thank you. Thats the Dream gig I want to go to. Very very good TD tribute....sounds like actually better than the real gig?

I shall search more info on gigs. Happier now :-).

[qube_TA]

I hear they're looking for a gig too.

[countachman]

Ive been chatting to the band and they say next year live as its a lot of work to present that 70s 80s Dream gig. They did add that there would be no reading emails n stuff while playing on stage........ummmmm come on TD what are you thinking of?

Oh my big musical interest is YES. Now for 40 years they PLAY live...really play.

[silverthorn2151]

countachman said:

Ive been chatting to the band and they say next year live as its a lot of work to present that 70s 80s Dream gig. They did add that there would be no reading emails n stuff while playing on stage........ummmmm come on TD what are you thinking of?

Oh my big musical interest is YES. Now for 40 years they PLAY live...really play.

Bumped into grumpy old Rick at Liverpool St this week. I've been lucky enough to meet him many times playing charity golf days would you believe. My chum with the Radical supports the charity (SPARKS). Rick has a golf day in August and if you are in any way interested in playing a round of golf I can't recommend it highly enough.

Last time he did a set with his son after dinner that was simply jaw dropping.

Different course this year and it will be a brilliant day out. If you like Yes you won't get a better chance to get up close and personal. As long as you know how to play and carry yourself round a golf day you'll be fine whatever standard.

There are some great celebs to share the day with as well.

http://www.sparks.org.uk/events/rick-wakeman-celeb...

[qube_TA]

countachman said:

Ive been chatting to the band and they say next year live as its a lot of work to present that 70s 80s Dream gig. They did add that there would be no reading emails n stuff while playing on stage........ummmmm come on TD what are you thinking of?

Oh my big musical interest is YES. Now for 40 years they PLAY live...really play.

They're going to be doing a show with original analog gear?

[countachman]

Yes they are so just what I was hoping to see. Very good of them to reply to me.

There is an amazing YES tribute band called Yessongs Italy who use all the equipment from 1973 including mellotron...you are transported back in time with this sort of tape/valve/sound.

[qube_TA]

I'd be amazed if that were true, not seen that stated anywhere else.

Ed is playing some of TD's old albums such as Pheadra and Sorcerer but if they were doing a concert like when Jarre was revisiting Oxygene using all the original equipment, then they'd be making a big fuss over it to draw in the crowd.

But Ed was never interested in 'retro', I think the fact that people generally prefer the older music when he was with Franke annoys him, even if he was able to obtain similar gear there's no way he'd be able to play all that stuff without him anyway.

[countachman]

Hi well this is what Perge said to me.......

We are gearing up to bring the Perge sound to the live stage next year.
If you see what gear TD had in the 70's 80s you can perhaps appreciate the task in hand.
But we will not appear on stage reading email on a Macbook or iPad.......

So it sounds like back to the original equipment, he did say more which leads me to think it too.

[qube_TA]

Ah, you're on about Perge, yes they want to do a proper TD style gig with a decent stage set.

The cost is prohibitive, yes it's possible to make the TD sound with modern digital equipment but who wants to see that?

The rigs Tangerine Dream used in the 70's and 80's would cost £100,000+ to put together now. Not easy, but getting there.

[Seeker UK]

qube_TA said:

The cost is prohibitive, yes it's possible to make the TD sound with modern digital equipment but who wants to see that?

I'd rather pay to hear a band make interesting music for 90mins - 2 hours regardless of what kit they use (eg Airsculpture, RMI, Magnetron, Omega Syndicate et al). I just can't relate to some of the 'all the gear no idea' associated with EM / electronica today.

[countachman]

Seeker UK said:

Radio Massacre International are playing the all-dayer on 11th Oct.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nxa-e3x9WFU
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4IVOFR9Fwjw


Or on 26th April, Magnetron

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mGF2lfVNI30

Excellent video clips very good soundscapes....impressed.

[qube_TA]

Seeker UK said:

qube_TA said:

The cost is prohibitive, yes it's possible to make the TD sound with modern digital equipment but who wants to see that?

I'd rather pay to hear a band make interesting music for 90mins - 2 hours regardless of what kit they use (eg Airsculpture, RMI, Magnetron, Omega Syndicate et al). I just can't relate to some of the 'all the gear no idea' associated with EM / electronica today.

A lot of the 'Awakenings' concerts and their ilk are mind numbing with the audience looking asleep with a bunch of blokes looking like their checking their email rather than actually performing music.

And yes, there are a handful of bands with hugely expensive equipment that don't really seem to know how to use it and make little other than wibbly noises and pointless doodles.

EM used to be a really vibrant scene there was loads going on and individual artists & bands had their own distinct sound. It's a shame it all faded away to the bland 'Berlin School' affair it is today where everyone sounds the same with the same arrangement, patches, tempo etc. There's this relentless churning out of identical 'improvised' albums that no-one really listens to more than once, they're happy with the mediocrity as there's always another new album to listen to.

If you listened to any album by TD, Jarre, Vangelis, Tomita or whomever you could always instantly tell it was them and each new album always sounded different to the previous one as the technology evolved and the productions improved. Their concerts were like rock events, they were big, loud spectaculars which are constantly bootlegged to this day.

Personally I couldn't really care less what equipment is used either as long as it's used well.

If you look at the 'Post Rock' scene those bands are filling halls doing great gigs, conceptually their music really isn't that different to EM or TD so it should be possible to put on a gig that can cover costs.

I'm one half of Perge BTW, what we're wanting to try and do is once the new album is ready (it's about 50% complete), we're going to fund a film of us performing one of the tracks from it with all the gear and the lights etc and then use that to leverage interest from promoters who could help us fund a proper gig. We've had offers from Europe already for gigs but none of them would cover the costs of getting the equipment to the venue, which when you factor in insurance and flight cases runs into the £thousands which we can't afford to lose. Each release we've done so far has gained interest and had a steady run of sales. With Edgar Froese retiring this year we hope that there's a gap for us to fill and we can start to do this on a bigger scale.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=epQXr-n3tRs

[MitchT]

droopsnoot said:

I guess one of the issues with very electronic stuff like this (as opposed to generic rock with keyboards) is that it's probably quite easy to over-use the sequencers, and might even be impossible to play some tracks without doing so.

Quite easy to overuse the sequencers, yes, in fact plenty of electronic stuff is based specifically on what you can do with a sequencer that you can't do by playing. Certainly there's a lot that you couldn't achieve by playing and will be 'performed' by sequencers. The key thing is to get out of the thinking that music has to be played by hand to be 'live'. The basis of a lot of electronic music performed live is that the timbre is being modified live by the performer while the sequencer plays the notes. Also, you can start and stop sequences at will, so each performance will be a totally unique arrangement of any given piece.

[countachman]

Well Perge im becoming a bit of a fan as I like what I hear.

I saw Vangelis in the 80s live and was lucky enough to visit his London studios also. He was amazing plus he almost joined Yes.

Perge can I have a bouble vinyl LP please with a gatefold sleeve, liner notes with mysterious band images on the front.
:-), Live.......smoke, lazers, bass pedals, souring guitar brakes over thunderous runs...pin drop quietness building into a mind fk rhythms bursting into a complete emersion of sound.

Thank you.

As you can see im a bit stuck in the 70-80s TD, no harm done it was just done well and I havent seen anyone do it better.....yet........

[Seeker UK]

qube_TA said:

I'm one half of Perge BTW,

I'd gathered that ;-)

qube_TA said:

what we're wanting to try and do is once the new album is ready (it's about 50% complete), we're going to fund a film of us performing one of the tracks from it with all the gear and the lights etc and then use that to leverage interest from promoters who could help us fund a proper gig. We've had offers from Europe already for gigs but none of them would cover the costs of getting the equipment to the venue, which when you factor in insurance and flight cases runs into the £thousands which we can't afford to lose. Each release we've done so far has gained interest and had a steady run of sales. With Edgar Froese retiring this year we hope that there's a gap for us to fill and we can start to do this on a bigger scale.

Good luck with the album but IME and the experience of friends / acquaintances (who have all been in various EM bands with varying success) EM albums and live gigs do not pay very well, certainly not to cover the cost of a van and ferry to Holland or Germany. Where the real money is, is licensed music for soundtracks.

I agree with you that it is extremely frustrating that the advent of DAWS and VSTis and the rebirth of modular synths means that there are a lot of "8-note sequences and major chords" releases to fight through to find the few real good nuggets out there, especially as those who were interesting and adventurous seem to be doing less and less these days. It's also bloody hard to get someone to review your CD in amongst all the other releases competing for people's money.

And don't get me started on all that tuneless free-form bks that gets called 'ambient' these days.

Edited by Seeker UK on Wednesday 19th March 22:32

[qube_TA]

Thanks.

Question, if you could go to a concert that looked and sounded like this:



Would you go?

[countachman]

Yes im ready.

[countachman]

[countachman]

[countachman]

Yes im ready.