987.2 CS suitability on track?
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Hi guys,
How does the 987 fare on track? I currently have a fairly modified E92 M3 I use for weekends/trackdays and looking to make the jump to something a bit lighter both in weight and on-track running costs!
Cayman S and Exige are front runners with the Cayman winning out for road use, but I'm wondering how it would do over 5-10 trackdays a year.
A google talks about overheating and oil issues, but can anyone give me a more comprehensive low down on using them on track?
Any potential failures or expensive maintenance costs to be worried about?
Thanks in advance
How does the 987 fare on track? I currently have a fairly modified E92 M3 I use for weekends/trackdays and looking to make the jump to something a bit lighter both in weight and on-track running costs!
Cayman S and Exige are front runners with the Cayman winning out for road use, but I'm wondering how it would do over 5-10 trackdays a year.
A google talks about overheating and oil issues, but can anyone give me a more comprehensive low down on using them on track?
Any potential failures or expensive maintenance costs to be worried about?
Thanks in advance
If I had to go on track I'd want an Exige S.
Each of your BMW, Cayman and even Exige are heavy enough to destroy a set of tyres and brakes pretty quickly.
I suspect that upgrading brakes on a Cayman would be straightforward but is likely to exacerbate any oil starvation issues the car may have. Suggest you Google specifically for Porsche and oil starvation. You might find this link interesting,
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fv53RbvgfGc&fe...
Each of your BMW, Cayman and even Exige are heavy enough to destroy a set of tyres and brakes pretty quickly.
I suspect that upgrading brakes on a Cayman would be straightforward but is likely to exacerbate any oil starvation issues the car may have. Suggest you Google specifically for Porsche and oil starvation. You might find this link interesting,
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fv53RbvgfGc&fe...
Tracked both an exige for 2 years , boxsters, caymans and the GT4
Cayman is a great track car as long as you set it up, a stock car driven hard will kill tyres in 4 or 5 laps.
The issue is the lack of suspension adjustment in a oem car.
1 or 2 track days and I would say just enjoy a stock car and go slower.
10 track days PA and you will really need after market LCA, plus rear toe links as a min starting point to set the car up.
Maybe en engine mount to stop the engine moving under load and help gear shift performance on track.
Also if you plan to do many laps at a time the 4 catted manifolds not ideal item either.
GT3 brake cooling ducts and a set or rs29pads will also be needed, I would partner those with after market 2 piece disks at 340mm size.
Alwayas run PSM off to help rear disk heat build up and perfect threshold braking as abs cut in on track can cause issues you would not want to see.
Super sports make a great all road and good track tyre, cups 2 are faster of course but less good though winter.
Cayman is a great track car as long as you set it up, a stock car driven hard will kill tyres in 4 or 5 laps.
The issue is the lack of suspension adjustment in a oem car.
1 or 2 track days and I would say just enjoy a stock car and go slower.
10 track days PA and you will really need after market LCA, plus rear toe links as a min starting point to set the car up.
Maybe en engine mount to stop the engine moving under load and help gear shift performance on track.
Also if you plan to do many laps at a time the 4 catted manifolds not ideal item either.
GT3 brake cooling ducts and a set or rs29pads will also be needed, I would partner those with after market 2 piece disks at 340mm size.
Alwayas run PSM off to help rear disk heat build up and perfect threshold braking as abs cut in on track can cause issues you would not want to see.
Super sports make a great all road and good track tyre, cups 2 are faster of course but less good though winter.
Porsche911R said:
Tracked both an exige for 2 years , boxsters, caymans and the GT4
Cayman is a great track car as long as you set it up, a stock car driven hard will kill tyres in 4 or 5 laps.
The issue is the lack of suspension adjustment in a oem car.
1 or 2 track days and I would say just enjoy a stock car and go slower.
10 track days PA and you will really need after market LCA, plus rear toe links as a min starting point to set the car up.
Maybe en engine mount to stop the engine moving under load and help gear shift performance on track.
Also if you plan to do many laps at a time the 4 catted manifolds not ideal item either.
GT3 brake cooling ducts and a set or rs29pads will also be needed, I would partner those with after market 2 piece disks at 340mm size.
Alwayas run PSM off to help rear disk heat build up and perfect threshold braking as abs cut in on track can cause issues you would not want to see.
Super sports make a great all road and good track tyre, cups 2 are faster of course but less good though winter.
Very helpful information, indeed. Thank you.Cayman is a great track car as long as you set it up, a stock car driven hard will kill tyres in 4 or 5 laps.
The issue is the lack of suspension adjustment in a oem car.
1 or 2 track days and I would say just enjoy a stock car and go slower.
10 track days PA and you will really need after market LCA, plus rear toe links as a min starting point to set the car up.
Maybe en engine mount to stop the engine moving under load and help gear shift performance on track.
Also if you plan to do many laps at a time the 4 catted manifolds not ideal item either.
GT3 brake cooling ducts and a set or rs29pads will also be needed, I would partner those with after market 2 piece disks at 340mm size.
Alwayas run PSM off to help rear disk heat build up and perfect threshold braking as abs cut in on track can cause issues you would not want to see.
Super sports make a great all road and good track tyre, cups 2 are faster of course but less good though winter.
So with some brake pads/cooling and alignment work they are pretty decent? I'd definitely be looking at Cup2s, if not a second set of wheels with something a little stickier.
What's the issue with manifolds? Do they get hot?
I have a 987.2 with all the trick bits on. Wont do trackdays in it as I run Lotus/VX220 track cars. If you did a trackday in an Exige or similar you would never want to waste time doing one in a Porsche.
The Cayman will be incrementally better than the E46 Brakes and stock suspension are vastly better on the Porsche) I went to the ring in my Cayman this year and it was wilting on tyres after 2.5 laps. In an Exige you simply keep going until you've had enough you could literally keep going all day.
If you have a budget for a decent CS I would consider keeping your beemer and getting a supercharged VX220. About 13k for a decent one. 240 BHP, 225 Torque and under 900 kgs. This will simply go around a Cayman S on track.
The Cayman will be incrementally better than the E46 Brakes and stock suspension are vastly better on the Porsche) I went to the ring in my Cayman this year and it was wilting on tyres after 2.5 laps. In an Exige you simply keep going until you've had enough you could literally keep going all day.
If you have a budget for a decent CS I would consider keeping your beemer and getting a supercharged VX220. About 13k for a decent one. 240 BHP, 225 Torque and under 900 kgs. This will simply go around a Cayman S on track.
mpit said:
Very helpful information, indeed. Thank you.
So with some brake pads/cooling and alignment work they are pretty decent? I'd definitely be looking at Cup2s, if not a second set of wheels with something a little stickier.
What's the issue with manifolds? Do they get hot?
very decent :-)So with some brake pads/cooling and alignment work they are pretty decent? I'd definitely be looking at Cup2s, if not a second set of wheels with something a little stickier.
What's the issue with manifolds? Do they get hot?
the newer 4 catted manifolds just lack power/throughput and will get very very hot, some times you can blow a cat out.
again I keep to 6 or 7 laps and give the car a rest.
fridaypassion said:
If you have a budget for a decent CS I would consider keeping your beemer and getting a supercharged VX220. About 13k for a decent one. 240 BHP, 225 Torque and under 900 kgs. This will simply go around a Cayman S on track.
Yeah, I considered the 'charged VX route as well. Exige or Cayman would be cooler, though 
Essentially, I just want a change up from my current motoring arrangement (M3 and X3) to something a bit more exciting;
My choice is something like Exige or Cayman S and a cheapish daily or a 'charged VX220 and something a little more fruity for daily duties.
I've got a couple of SC vx220s usually kicking about. They are great although if I was doing one for myself I'd have to have a quaife in there to make it perfect. My mechanic has a 370bhp one with proper aero that is a serious bit of kit. Amazingly that level of performance is achievable for 20k including the purchase cost of the car.
Standard brake setup is fine for track work if you change to RS29 pads and get some extra cooling to the brakes. Biggest problem is the interference from the electronics overheating the rear brakes, so make sure it's turned off.
Tyre wear on standard suspension settings are rather bad, but everything can easily be changed and with the right setup you will have a brilliant track car ( I absolutely love mine on track )
Tyre wear on standard suspension settings are rather bad, but everything can easily be changed and with the right setup you will have a brilliant track car ( I absolutely love mine on track )
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