RE: New Porsche 911 GT3 - Geneva 2017

RE: New Porsche 911 GT3 - Geneva 2017

Tuesday 7th March 2017

New Porsche 911 GT3 - Geneva 2017

500hp at 9,000rpm and a manual gearbox option? We'll take a piece of that...



No turbos, a 9,000rpm redline from a 4.0-litre flat-six, 500hp and a no-cost manual option. Yes, Porsche has responded to outcry over the 991 GT3 and limited availability of the manual-only R and given fervent stick-shifters the opportunity to put their money where their mouth is.

Will they? The sales split will make interesting viewing but the bigger story with this new GT3 is actually its engine, the most exotic, highest revving and most extreme version yet of Porsche's current Motorsport flat-six with a power delivery promising to make the RS feel a bit diesel-like in comparison. Put it this way - where that car reached its peak at 8,250rpm the new GT3 has got another 750rpm to go.

Welcome back old friend!
Welcome back old friend!
PH was lucky enough to get the full geek-out on the new GT3 with Andreas Preuninger ahead of the show reveal. And after an hour's private audience it's safe to say he's not kidding when his recurring theme is "more than meets the eye". Want the full, unexpurgated transcript in its near-6,000 word glory? Not a problem - you can read it here. Here, in the meantime, are the (slightly) edited highlights.

500hp is the headline, the PDK version a token tenth quicker to 62mph than the gen one GT3 and a smidge faster at the top end at 199mph. With one ratio less and the lack of launch control the manual is half a second slower to 62mph at 3.9 seconds but pulls a small extra margin at the top end to record 200mph thanks to reduced mechanical losses. Despite weight increases to the body in white the overall DIN kerbweight (minus driver) remains at 1,430kg even with all the four-wheel steering and other gubbins.

The manual is 10kg lighter and gets a mechanical limited-slip diff rather than the fully active one integrated into the PDK transmission. It doesn't get the lighter single-mass flywheel of the R but Preuninger's enthusiasm for the way it'll pick up from as low as 2,000rpm and rev - in his words - "explosively" through to the 9,000rpm redline is utterly infectious. Granted, some owners of early 991 GT3s may cock an eyebrow at his choice of adjective there. But we'll work on the basis that that particular flaw has been dealt with this time.

That's peak power at 9,000rpm too...
That's peak power at 9,000rpm too...
More on the engine though. New features include a stiffer crank (hence no single-mass flywheel) with central oil feed to the bearings, new ram air intakes and low-friction cylinder liners. But it's the new head design Preuninger is most excited about. Ditching the hydraulic valve adjusters means lower oil pressure, reduced stress on the valvetrain, less friction, less inertia and a simpler mechanism for operating the valves. Which basically equates to more revs and more power - up to 9hp alone from the new mechanical design.

With the finger followers now operating the valves directly the clearances are shimmed when the engine is built ... and that's it. "We ran one engine on the dyno for 300,000km and it did not change, not one half of a tenth," says Preuninger. "And we did it several times - owners do not have to worry they have to go to the dealer every 10,000km to adjust the shims!" Here's hoping.

"The car really goes," he grins, quite possibly understating things somewhat. "The 4.0-litre displacement really helps with the mid-range 'snap' but if you are in a 180-degree bend and have maybe 2,000rpm when you go on the throttle the bandwidth of revs is just mind boggling!"

The seven-speed PDK is updated from before with even faster shifts and new software. The manual is the six-speed from the R, which is no bad thing with its closely stacked lower ratios and short-throw shift. Preuninger accepts it is slower round the track than the PDK but satisfies the "new found niche" for purists seeking a more immersive experience. "We will satisfy the demand of all those people who didn't get an R, and this is I think the right way to do it," he says, pouring a hefty can of petrol on an alreadyheated debate.

Weight remains at 1,430kg without driver
Weight remains at 1,430kg without driver
Further R influence can be found in the improved aero. You'll see the reprofiled (and lighter) front bumper; new blade-like surrounds to the intakes reduce drag and smooth the airflow over the sides while underneath there are fences and vortex generators developed for the wingless R to speed the air going to the rear diffuser. As a result the fixed wing can be moved rearwards by 10mm and up by 20mm to reduce drag, sharing the workload with the diffuser. Result? 20 per cent more downforce at top speed - equivalent to a gen two 997 RS in fact - with no increase in drag coefficient.

Elsewhere the changes are more detail than those made to the powertrain and aero. Brakes remain standard steel (380mm on both axles) or PCCB with 410mm front and 390mm rear - Preuninger says braking performance is the same but PCCB's reduced unsprung weight is worth having. And that they look cool. The PASM dampers have been revised with a greater bandwidth between comfort and Sport settings, RS-inspired helper springs on the rear struts a further upgrade. Stiffer front bushings are fitted to improve steering response and the EPAS has been recalibrated too. "On the gen one it was great, on the RS even better and on the [Cayman] GT4 super cool," says Preuninger. "Everyone commented it was a dream on the R and this is the next step in feel and feedback, the best we've had so far."

Hopefully this lip can be removed...
Hopefully this lip can be removed...
Trim updates include '3D' Alcantara on the seats, a new red rim on the wheels and, naturally, the updated PCM from the facelifted 911 range. Overall the look is cleaner and relatively underplayed for a GT model, perhaps closer in spirit to the original 996 versions. But under the skin it sounds properly wild.

Meaning you're going to have to hurry if you haven't already started the charm offensive with your OPC, the official rrp of £111,802 sounding almost reasonable when you consider a Carrera 2 GTS coupe starts at £94,316 and could easily be in the same ballpark with a few options. Official line is production isn't capped by anything beyond capacity, equivalent to around 4,000 units of the gen one. Hardcore or not, the GT3 is now more accessible to a broader range of customers than ever before though. So you can expect demand to comfortably exceed supply.

But the big question. PDK or manual?

 

 

 

 

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Fullmeister

Original Poster:

57 posts

156 months

Tuesday 7th March 2017
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Manual .

Kermitgreenmeanmachine

112 posts

107 months

Tuesday 7th March 2017
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PDK please.....and a box of tissues

mc_blue

2,548 posts

219 months

Tuesday 7th March 2017
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Is this the first GT car (with the exception of the limited stuff like RS 4.0) that you have to beg your dealer for? Has the market been like this before?

DiscoColin

3,328 posts

215 months

Tuesday 7th March 2017
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mc_blue said:
Is this the first GT car (with the exception of the limited stuff like RS 4.0) that you have to beg your dealer for? Has the market been like this before?
Everything since the 997 3.8 RS has been unobtainable unless you ordered before anything was delivered to end customers and of those only the 991.1 could be bought by everyone placing an order when the announcement went out.

SirSquidalot

4,042 posts

166 months

Tuesday 7th March 2017
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WOW! Theres a car i'd buy in a heartbeat.

toppstuff

13,698 posts

248 months

Tuesday 7th March 2017
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I hope that it wont be necessary to be the dealer principal's best friend in order to get one of these.

With recent Porsche launches of the more specialist vehicles, it is easy to get the sense that Porsche's UK dealer network is some secret masonic society where they only allow you to buy a car from them if you play golf with the principal, let him use your holiday home in Devon and remember his birthday.

I refuse to fellate a car salesman just for the chance to buy something from him.

Kermitgreenmeanmachine

112 posts

107 months

Tuesday 7th March 2017
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PDK please.....and a box of tissues

Cold

15,254 posts

91 months

Tuesday 7th March 2017
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Nice looking hedge fund.

C7 JFW

1,205 posts

220 months

Tuesday 7th March 2017
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Manual.

Never you mind

1,507 posts

113 months

Tuesday 7th March 2017
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Cold said:
Nice looking hedge fund.
The GT3 Ownership experience.

Day 1: pick car up
Day 2: drop car back at OPC and sell it for 50K overs.
Day 3:

steveb8189

476 posts

192 months

Tuesday 7th March 2017
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A "no cost manual option". Auto's cost more in 99% of cars - I'd be asking for a discount...

..and would be told where to go in about 2 seconds

toppstuff

13,698 posts

248 months

Tuesday 7th March 2017
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Never you mind said:
Cold said:
Nice looking hedge fund.
The GT3 Ownership experience.

Day 1: pick car up
Day 2: drop car back at OPC and sell it for 50K overs.
Day 3:
You forgot the bit about being the salesman best mate and promising to use his brother's building company for your house extension.

numtumfutunch

4,735 posts

139 months

Tuesday 7th March 2017
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Put simply:

If my numbers came up tonight and I walked into my nearest dealer tomorrow would I be able to order one or not?

Cheers

STiG911

1,210 posts

168 months

Tuesday 7th March 2017
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Nice, but talk about a kick in the nuts (and presumably value of) for Gen1 991 GT3 owners.

GranCab

2,902 posts

147 months

Tuesday 7th March 2017
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steveb8189 said:
A "no cost manual option". Auto's cost more in 99% of cars - I'd be asking for a discount...

..and would be told where to go in about 2 seconds
Smaller demand = higher costs on the production line

Davey S2

13,097 posts

255 months

Tuesday 7th March 2017
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'Limited availability of the R'

To all intents and purposes this will be just as limited.

Unless you've spend hundreds of thousands at your OPC and browned your nose on the dealer principles starfish you have just as much chance of getting one of these as you did an R.

Supply issues aside it sounds fantastic and compared to the competition its a steal. Is there any competition to this at this price point?

I'd definitely go manual and I think a lot of purchasers will too.

6th Gear

3,563 posts

195 months

Tuesday 7th March 2017
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RUF Automobile GmbH just dropped the mic at Geneva - a 225mph, all original carbon monocoque 720 horsepower twin turbo flat six tribute to the original Yellowbird.

One of these please. Wow.

Krikkit

26,551 posts

182 months

Tuesday 7th March 2017
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What a thing, 9000RPM will be pretty special when you can open it up.

Preuninger said:
And what about the electronics?
"We have a new set-up on the stability control ... it's a loose bungee cord but it will save you but it gives you more room to play. Absolutely more slip than a Carrera and once it's off it's off, it doesn't come back after are in an emergency situation. One button and then you are on your own.

"But the set-up of the car is all done without the system active, so we first make the car very stable without anything on and THEN we are adjusting the system, not the other way around. My impression when I drive some cars of the competition is exactly that - the mechanical flaws of the chassis can easily be covered with systems and mostly it's when the system comes in early and then I am asking why. Ours come late because the chassis can take it."

Do you expect your customers to drive without the systems then?
"They want to be on their own sometimes; it's a safety thing, sometimes it's good to have it on the road when you are not concentrating as you are on the race track or a drift event. But we want the driver to be able to decide, not the car, they have to make their decisions. They are grown-ups, and they should be able to live with their decisions, I think that's just fair."
Something Mercedes should listen to for their hardcore models perhaps?

rampageturke

2,622 posts

163 months

Tuesday 7th March 2017
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New Porsche 911 GT3, sponsored by artificial scarcity.

6th Gear said:




RUF Automobile GmbH just dropped the mic at Geneva - a 225mph, all original carbon monocoque 720 horsepower twin turbo flat six tribute to the original Yellowbird.

One of these please. Wow.
Can't believe how low-key RUF generally are in 2017, the things are monsters, but coverage is so small.

nigelonich

1,017 posts

221 months

Tuesday 7th March 2017
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Manual or PDK option on whats probably the best club-sport car available in the world today, well done Porsche.

At first I thought it was a no brainier for the manual but after some thought its PDK surely as why buy the cutting edge car and then make it slower.

Then you imagine yourself walking past one and peering into the cabin seeing the PDK stick and you think to yourself 'pussy'.....