RE: Alpina D3 Bi-Turbo vs Audi S4 Avant

RE: Alpina D3 Bi-Turbo vs Audi S4 Avant

Sunday 7th May 2017

Alpina D3 Bi-Turbo vs Audi S4 Avant

Audi v. Alpina, 4WD v. RWD, petrol v. diesel - fight!



What a refreshingly traditional take on the fast family car these two represent. So often nowadays a £50K budget for something practical and quick would result in recommendations of four-seat coupe saloons, odd crossovers and super SUVs. In just the Audi range alone, this sort of money could also buy an S5, an S5 Sportback or an SQ5. Even Alpina has the XD3 in its tiny range as an alternative to the D3 here.

So to bring together a couple of fast estates is not only a welcome break from the seemingly endless diversification of ranges, it's a reminder of just how good the formula is. It won't spoil the test to say that both cars here are very good, more than fast enough for most and boasting good practicality too. There are no tricks, no gimmicks, no pretence of being something that these cars aren't; they are two mid-size estates, each with 3.0-litres, six cylinders and around 350hp, tasked with being fast, fun and stylish where required. Which is the best?



Alpina D3 Touring
Even with Alpina's enviable reputation, the D3 doesn't enter this contest looking all that competitive. It's the more expensive car here despite being the older design - a point we'll come back to - it lacks any particularly fancy way to transmit its power to the road (the Quattro Audi also has a rear Sport Differential) and, well, it is a diesel. Good though the latest diesel engines are, the D3 does seem to be entering this with one hand tied behind its back.

Ride on 20s not far off witchcraft
Ride on 20s not far off witchcraft
It takes all of about two hundred metres on the road to realise the Alpina is more than good enough to compete. There's a cohesion across the controls, from the steering to the damping to the throttle response, that feels very sophisticated and as we've come to expect from Alpina. Tweaks like dampers that are softer in compression but stiffer in rebound and recalibrated DSC give the D3 an athleticism and resolve missing from regular BMW products, making it as satisfying to drive on a good bit of road as a 335d could be frustrating.

Moreover, the more languid gait of an Alpina set up against M cars suits the D3 well. In a B3 saloon comparisons are inevitably made to the M3, but here there is no rival. And where that final layer of sharpness could prove frustrating in a petrol saloon, is it that important where diesel estates are concerned? It feels balanced, fluid and composed for the vast majority of the time, though from previous experience the optional limited-slip diff would be a worthwhile option with 516lb ft to contain...

A fun diesel auto estate? You better believe it!
A fun diesel auto estate? You better believe it!
The twin-turbo diesel remains very good here, eager in a way that many wouldn't have credited a diesel with a few years ago. The eight-speed auto is the perfect partner, seemingly always shifting at the opportune moment. It will rev out surprisingly well for a diesel, but the D3 is more comfortable (and very fast) trading on its mid range. Even sounds pretty good out of that Akrapovic exhaust.

That the D3 does all this with the usual 3 Series refinements and a few lovely Alpina touches makes it all the more desirable. The interior may not be as fancy as the Audi's but, as a car to drive and an object to admire, it remains an excellent prospect.



Audi S4 Avant
You've dismissed the Audi already, haven't you? Too bland, too heavy, too inert to compete with the finely honed Alpina. Well don't be so sure...

Looks sharp; drives nicely too
Looks sharp; drives nicely too
There's plenty about this S4 that bodes really rather well for the upcoming RS4. No, really. As discussed in the road test, this is a fast Audi with some real quality to its dynamics, with a well sorted ride and a Sport Differential that can be felt proactively distributing power at the back. It's probably the faster car here across the ground, powering out of corners authoritatively where the Alpina can be found falling back a tad clumsily.

Its weight advantage will help too; it isn't huge at 55kg but it means that the Audi is less than 1,800kg with a driver and the Alpina, well, isn't. This feels a better balanced 'S' product than before too, with less nose heaviness to its handling and a pleasing level of agility.

Perhaps it's unfair to make the point here given the Alpina is a diesel - don't forget the B3 is available too - but the Audi's petrol V6 feels especially good here. It picks up swiftly from very few revs, feels strong through its mid range and is more than happy to snarl its way to 7,000rpm. Even against petrol opposition you sense this 3.0-litre would fare well.

The powertrain is where the Audi's weaknesses begin to become exposed though. The automatic gearbox simply isn't as decisive as the Alpina's, with a tendency to offer gears you don't want at a time you don't need them. Of course manual control is available, which improves the situation, but then the Alpina is fine in that regard too...

Cheaper, lighter, more power...
Cheaper, lighter, more power...
Terribly subjective though this assessment will appear, the Audi is simply a less enjoyable car to be driving. While the Alpina's steering isn't wonderful, it is better than typical BMW efforts and way more confidence inspiring than the Audi's numb system. The Audi's brakes are snatchier, its ride still not quite as assured and the intervention of its assists more intrusive. Against the Alpina the dynamics come across as slightly disjointed; where the D3 feels to have had a small team subtly enhance it in key areas, the S4 gives the impression of different people doing different jobs with little communication - elements of it are very good, but it doesn't quite come together as well.

If this sounds harsh, that's probably because it is. Both of these cars are talented and likeable estates, proof that there is still life in the old dog carrier yet. They can't even be separated on practicality grounds, the Audi boasting 505 or 1,510 litres of boot space against the D3's 495 and 1,500 litres. See, it's not all powerslides and tyre smoke around here...



Verdict
If the latest in technology, style and equipment matters to you and your family, the S4 comes highly recommended. Typically we don't focus on those attributes of a car much on PH, but the Audi is a clear step ahead of the Alpina inside. Given how much time we all seem to spend in cars, that has to be a consideration.

On that basis though how the car drives should matter too and, while the Audi is good, the Alpina is better. Yes, even as a diesel. In areas where a regular BMW disappoints the Alpina impresses, delivering a level of quality and finesse to the way it drives that often escapes non-M products. That it does this without attracting the unwanted attention of an M car and returning 60mpg in the right circumstances only strengthens its case.

You will have noticed the Alpina is significantly more expensive here though, even without the £1,890 limited-slip differential. There are simple ways to save money on our test car though - see the £1,180 panoramic sunroof, £945 electric seats and £825 head-up display - which will begin to return the price difference to somewhere near the £5,535 gap that separates them as standard. The Alpina feels the more expensive product, entirely justifying its £50K start price and not feeling terrible value at £58,000 either. Petrol or diesel, saloon or Touring, there simply isn't a bad Alpina 3 Series - if you can get into an Alpina somehow, you'll love it.

Read more:

Audi S4 Avant 2017 Review

Alpina D3 Bi-Turbo Review


ALPINA D3 BITURBO TOURING
Engine
: 2,993cc, straight-six twin turbocharged diesel
Transmission: 8-speed automatic, rear-wheel drive
Power (hp): 350@4,000rpm
Torque (lb ft): 516@1,500rpm
0-62mph: 4.6sec
Top speed: 170mph
Weight: 1,730kg (unladen)
MPG: 52.3
CO2: 142g/km
Price: £49,950 (As tested £58,115 comprising Alpina classic 20-inch for £860, Alpina piano black with insigna for £340, electrally folding with anti-dazzle exterior mirrors for £300, Matt aluminium exterior trim for £155, £825 for Head up display, £215 for Anthracite headlining, £675 for Harman Kardon loudspeaker system, £265 for electrically adjustable lumbar support for driver and passenger, £1,500 for BMW professional media package, £1,180 for panoramic glass sunroof, £330 for reversing assist camera, £945 for seat adjustment, £220 for speed limit display, £90 steering wheel panel in black leather and £265 for sun protection glass)

AUDI S4 AVANT
Engine
: 2,995cc, V6 TFSI
Transmission: 8-speed tiptronic, Quattro all-wheel drive
Power (hp): 354@5,400-6,400rpm
Torque (lb ft): 368@1,370-4,500rpm
0-62mph: 4.9 secs
Top speed: 155mph
Weight: 1,750kg (EU with 75kg driver)
MPG: 37.7 (NEDC combined)
CO2: 171g/km
Price: £44,415 (As tested £49,770 comprising Misano Red paint for £645, Quattro sport with Sport Differential for £1,200, 19-inch diamond cut wheels for £550, Light and Vision pack for £750, Adaptive S Sport suspension with damping control for £900, Audi phonebox with wireless charging for £325 and on the road costs of £985) 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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Discussion

tjlees

Original Poster:

1,382 posts

238 months

Sunday 7th May 2017
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D3 for me.

But wow, these are expensive for what they are! So it would be a secondhand one (if that ever exists with Alphina)

Matt, some inside Pics ??? cloud9

W124

1,565 posts

139 months

Sunday 7th May 2017
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I delivered an S4 estate last week. It was dreadful.

JMF894

5,513 posts

156 months

Sunday 7th May 2017
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Or alternatively buy yourself a really nice Dame Edna Saab 9-5 aero estate for 4k, stage 3 it for another 2k, sort the chassis including a quaife lsd,billies, poly etc for another 3-4k and you'll have a 300bhp dog trolley for 10k at the very most. Far less if you get a cheaper one and do the work yourself.

It will have around a 150/200kgs weight advantage over these two and you'll have 40k to go get something proper........................

Just my opinion of course, they are both lovely motors and given the need I'd take the D3.

Jimbo

IJB1959

2,139 posts

87 months

Sunday 7th May 2017
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W124 said:
I delivered an S4 estate last week. It was dreadful.
Can you elaborate on such a decisive comment???

DPSFleet

192 posts

162 months

Sunday 7th May 2017
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I cannot believe how far these diesels have come in the past 10 years, the fuel difference is huge on these two and for me the RANGE is a big issue if you are tanking across Europe. Great article, very thought provoking.

ZX10R NIN

27,654 posts

126 months

Sunday 7th May 2017
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I can't fault our D3 nearly 2 years in & it just keeps on performing with no undue bills, the performance is great & as was said in the article I've never felt short changed, they only make around 1900 cars a year so they're a rare sight to.

I've no plans to move it on because there is nothing out there to replace it with, well apart from a new D3, people will say the depreciation is huge but it's not & it also depends on how long you keep it the longer you keep it then it actually goes the other way, also those that know about these will snap them up when they come up for sale.

moffat

1,020 posts

226 months

Sunday 7th May 2017
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Don't really get this comparison... should be the 340i with the new B58 engine versus the S4.

Alucidnation

16,810 posts

171 months

Sunday 7th May 2017
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Another biased review from PH, although as stated, whats the point in comparing apples and oranges?

Diesel over petrol.

Righto!

rofl

Loyly

18,004 posts

160 months

Sunday 7th May 2017
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DPSFleet said:
I cannot believe how far these diesels have come in the past 10 years, the fuel difference is huge on these two and for me the RANGE is a big issue if you are tanking across Europe. Great article, very thought provoking.
People often come up with this 'drive across Europe' scenario but I vet a vanishingly small number of drivers do this, let alone blokes driving Alpinas. I dream of having a diesel S class to bomb from the Sierra Nevada to the Black Forest in short order but it's fantasy, really. Every time I've done a long drive, I haven't been that bothered about stopping for five minutes to fuel up, stretch my legs and get up etc etc.

Searider

979 posts

256 months

Sunday 7th May 2017
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But an Alpina D3 biturbo is a supercar. There was one on the circuit at Goodwood - so it must be true!
Audi S4 just a run of the mill estate ;-)

Ocho

605 posts

238 months

Sunday 7th May 2017
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Loyly said:
People often come up with this 'drive across Europe' scenario but I vet a vanishingly small number of drivers do this, let alone blokes driving Alpinas. I dream of having a diesel S class to bomb from the Sierra Nevada to the Black Forest in short order but it's fantasy, really. Every time I've done a long drive, I haven't been that bothered about stopping for five minutes to fuel up, stretch my legs and get up etc etc.
Good point. It's often said and yet even if your petrol model only has a range of 300-350 miles, how long do you want to drive between breaks, really?

Zad

12,706 posts

237 months

Sunday 7th May 2017
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Having driven / been driven in a range of current generation diesels recently (although admittedly more in the "normal" car range, not this exalted market segment), I have to say that I have been disappointed. Yes, they have come a long way and have their strengths, but they always leave me feeling frustrated. Whether it be the noise, smell of the diesel that always seems to get everywhere or the nature of the power delivery, they inevitably impress me with the low down torque and ease of trundling between the traffic lights, and then when I put my foot down it just tends to underwhelm.

"Not ... terrible value at £58,000 either"

Seriously? I know I'm not in a great paying field of work, and am in The North, but that is a LOT of money for a choice between two cars that seem to be "okay". It also buys quite a few flights between wherever your home is and the mythical destination in Europe that needs a dramatic through the night drive to get to. And when you get there, money left over for coke and hookers.

I suspect the bottom line will be what the Benefit in Kind and other tax is, not how they drive etc.

DoubleD

22,154 posts

109 months

Sunday 7th May 2017
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I think that where the long range comes in useful is when you are doing 100 miles a day. Stopping for fuel every few days does get rather annoying.

Croutons

9,908 posts

167 months

Sunday 7th May 2017
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"£90 steering wheel panel in black leather "

They saw you coming, mate!

FN2TypeR

7,091 posts

94 months

Sunday 7th May 2017
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I'll take the abuse for wanting a two litre four pot and have the Volvo V60 Polestar getmecoat

But, out of these two, I'd probably take the BMW (gasp), I know that it's a diesel, which is bad and wrong, but I just prefer it to the Audi in pretty much every way apart from the fuel - I'd live.

EDIT: No thank you on those alloys, come to think of it. Ghastly things.

Edited by FN2TypeR on Sunday 7th May 21:06

anonymous-user

55 months

Sunday 7th May 2017
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Depends what your priorities are, as ever.

If you really hate diesel then you won't like the D3, because although it's an absolutely excellent diesel it's still a diesel.

So a B3 would seem to be a better comparison, but I very much doubt there is a RHD B3 touring press demo car available.

Alpinas really are quite special. Fundamentally they just drive better than the base BMW car, there's a flow and poise to them which really gets under your skin once you've experienced it, but that's something that certainly doesn't always shine through on the daily grind.

greenarrow

3,621 posts

118 months

Sunday 7th May 2017
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DoubleD said:
I think that where the long range comes in useful is when you are doing 100 miles a day. Stopping for fuel every few days does get rather annoying.
I'd agree with this. My commute is 140 miles round trip and I do it twice a week. My Insignia does two weeks of this plus weekend driving duties without needing to visit a fuel station. My old Mazda needed a refill every week. Not a big deal perhaps, but there's something satisfying about getting 700 miles on a tank.

Out of these two, Alpina every time. I remember reading EVO's long term review of their S4. I know it was an early example of the 3 litre S4 model, but the fuel economy was truly dreadful, scarcely better than the V8 S5 they ran. These 3 litre diesels have amazing economy for the performance really.

veevee

1,455 posts

152 months

Sunday 7th May 2017
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FN2TypeR said:
EDIT: No thank you on those alloys, come to think of it. Ghastly things.

Edited by FN2TypeR on Sunday 7th May 21:06
They really need to sort these out, they looked rubbish-but-just-about-OK on the squarer cars 15 years ago, now they just look crap. Same goes for the body kit, looks like they're trying to out-SE the SE kit.

breadvan

2,004 posts

169 months

Sunday 7th May 2017
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Loyly said:
People often come up with this 'drive across Europe' scenario but I vet a vanishingly small number of drivers do this, let alone blokes driving Alpinas.
byebye

Swiss/French Alps.

(superb car for it, btw).


B3MX5

543 posts

206 months

Sunday 7th May 2017
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Loyly said:
People often come up with this 'drive across Europe' scenario but I vet a vanishingly small number of drivers do this, let alone blokes driving Alpinas. I dream of having a diesel S class to bomb from the Sierra Nevada to the Black Forest in short order but it's fantasy, really. Every time I've done a long drive, I haven't been that bothered about stopping for five minutes to fuel up, stretch my legs and get up etc etc.
Funnily enough I did the drive across Europe in my (admittedly petrol) Alpina B3 touring. For me it was perfect. Now sadly up for sale soon as it's too small for current needs, and there wasn't a B or D5 in my budget. Replaced by a soulless yet talented DMS'd E350cdi estate.

https://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?t=10...