RE: Honda NSX EV on the way

RE: Honda NSX EV on the way

Thursday 8th June 2017

Honda NSX EV on the way?

Remember the mad Pikes Peak effort from last year? Honda is keen to bring the tech into a road car...



Honda, conventional? Well there's the Jazz and CR-V, yes, but scratch the surface and it's hard not to conclude that the company has thrived and occasionally fallen as a result of a dedication to doing things differently. Just look at the Honda Jet. Or ask Fernando Alonso. Or Asimo, the near-human robot. Some you win, some you lose, but the spirit of adventure burns bright.

To think we've only just got this NSX
To think we've only just got this NSX
And see last year's Pikes Peak car as well, an all-electric NSX-derived prototype blessed with four electric motors and a total power output of "around 1000hp". Essentially it doubled up on the hybrid system used in the road car, with an electric motor at each wheel able to accelerate and decelerate as best required independently of one another.

The 4-Motor Acura EV Concept proved as quick as it was awkwardly named, taking third overall on the legendary Race to the Clouds. How quick? 0-124mph in 6.2 seconds quick, albeit with a relatively modest top speed of 155mph. Still, enough to be a long way down the autobahn before the Porsche 918 Spyder you left in your mirrors could do anything about catching up.

Now the engineers behind the project have raised the tantalising prospect of the drivetrain reaching production - potentially in the next-generation NSX, due around 2023, perfectly timed to act as a halo model for Honda's electric car range; expect those cars to roll out from 2018 and grow substantially in coming years.

More interesting than a Jazz Hybrid at least
More interesting than a Jazz Hybrid at least
Inevitably there are many challenges to overcome, not least getting high levels of performance over more extended periods than the nine or so minutes it takes to run up a 20km hillclimb course. Hinting at just how much energy a full-bore run eats up, engineers say the car can run up to 200km at modest pace, but of course owners will want a better balance between range and, er, raciness.

The answer, of course, is in fitting more batteries, but with the car already weighing 1,500kg, and the inevitable bloating when a bespoke race car is turned into a production vehicle, that seems unlikely. And while more batteries means more power, it also means more heat. While it's acceptable to cook car and driver in the heat of competition, customers may not take so kindly to it. Better, say the engineers, to bide time and watch as the energy density of batteries improves.

Bring on 2023!
Bring on 2023!
The final word goes to Sekino Yosuke, head of R&D at Honda. "The technology used on the Pikes Peak car could be interesting," he says. "It is not just a competition car - I would like to make such a car in production, and there are some studies around that. We want our electric cars to be joyful to drive, and it is clear that this proposal, with around 1000hp, is both joyful and uses technology that could one day reach production. We are evaluating what is possible now."

All that raises the prospect of how we would categorise the next-gen NSX. Like a Tesla in Ludicrous mode, or the radical Nio EP9 sports car, it'll have the straight line performance to whistle past supercars in its wake. Throw in the fact that the NSX name demands a level of dynamism too, and we might just have a full-blown Honda hypercar on our hands. It seems anyone who thought electrification would be the end of fun-to-drive cars may have to think again.

Words: Jim Holder

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cib24

Original Poster:

1,117 posts

153 months

Thursday 8th June 2017
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Hmm...I like this. The new NSX isn't a bad package but it needed to have a bit more going for it. This is a nice solution but is 2023 too late given how quickly technology changes every 6 months?

Derek Chevalier

3,942 posts

173 months

Thursday 8th June 2017
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cib24 said:
Hmm...I like this. The new NSX isn't a bad package but it needed to have a bit more going for it. This is a nice solution but is 2023 too late given how quickly technology changes every 6 months?
It will be more like 2030 based on current NSX's dev cycle

big_rob_sydney

3,402 posts

194 months

Thursday 8th June 2017
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1000 bhp is a nice marketing related target, but if they used just half the power / batteries, then the car would be a lot lighter, and would gain from handling and braking benefits, if losing in the acceleration stakes.

Trade-offs.

But, as Elon Musk tells us, battery tech is improving. Look what he's done with the Powerwall 2.0 in terms of power density, and the future is interesting indeed. I must admit to laughing a little that a tiny car company like Tesla is worth somewhere around the entire value of GM, and yet sells only a fraction of the volume. It must be that investors like what they see in the future as well.

I really would love to see this EV path taken further, and would hope a lot more resource gets applied, but then it makes sense to allow the battery side of it to make gains, so that the overall improvement just naturally gets built into the car. Problem is, you cant wait forever, and need to make the leap at SOME point.

Come on Honda!

anonymous-user

54 months

Thursday 8th June 2017
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This bit: "All that raises the prospect of how we would categorise the next-gen NSX. Like a Tesla in Ludicrous mode, or the radical Nio EP9 sports car, it'll have the straight line performance to whistle past supercars in its wake"

Oh please, by the time this is actually released the Supercars it may have whistled past today will have progressed far beyond the NSX's perormance. The NSX is always a decade behind , hidden behind "but it doesnt need power, you're missing the point" excuses.

Ed Straker

221 posts

143 months

Friday 9th June 2017
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There won't be another NSX (worth having)

This one is fat, expensive and HANDICAPPED by tech that was meant to be it's USP.
It won't sell - just like the last one and Honda will TALK about a new NSX for a generation - just like last time.

RBH58

969 posts

135 months

Friday 9th June 2017
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  • Yawn*

hondansx

4,569 posts

225 months

Friday 9th June 2017
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big_rob_sydney said:
1000 bhp is a nice marketing related target, but if they used just half the power / batteries, then the car would be a lot lighter, and would gain from handling and braking benefits, if losing in the acceleration stakes.

Trade-offs.

But, as Elon Musk tells us, battery tech is improving. Look what he's done with the Powerwall 2.0 in terms of power density, and the future is interesting indeed. I must admit to laughing a little that a tiny car company like Tesla is worth somewhere around the entire value of GM, and yet sells only a fraction of the volume. It must be that investors like what they see in the future as well.

I really would love to see this EV path taken further, and would hope a lot more resource gets applied, but then it makes sense to allow the battery side of it to make gains, so that the overall improvement just naturally gets built into the car. Problem is, you cant wait forever, and need to make the leap at SOME point.

Come on Honda!
Uber is 'worth' $50bn yet makes no money, so Tesla's situation isn't that odd when you do some comparisons!

Have seen the one new shape NSX in the country. Would love to know how many have actually been sold (not just registered). There are a few in the classifieds for sale for £200k! Dreamers.

PunterCam

1,070 posts

195 months

Saturday 10th June 2017
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I really hate this electric supercar pish. The last couple of decades for petrol powered supercars beckon, and people are messing around with cars nobody wants. Soulless, irrelevant rubbish. Sure they'll be fast, but who cares? That's not and never has been the point of supercars.

A usable, long range, quick charging version of a Polo, or a Golf, or a Panda, or a Jazz however... I would LOVE one. They all have crap engines anyway, and are merely transport. Put in a next-to-zero maintenance drivetrain and get on with it.

Leave the fast exciting stuff to celebrate all that was good about motoring for it's final few years.

anonymous-user

54 months

Saturday 10th June 2017
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Life is far too short for electric cars.

sidesauce

2,475 posts

218 months

Sunday 11th June 2017
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PunterCam said:
I really hate this electric supercar pish. The last couple of decades for petrol powered supercars beckon, and people are messing around with cars nobody wants. Soulless, irrelevant rubbish. Sure they'll be fast, but who cares? That's not and never has been the point of supercars.

A usable, long range, quick charging version of a Polo, or a Golf, or a Panda, or a Jazz however... I would LOVE one. They all have crap engines anyway, and are merely transport. Put in a next-to-zero maintenance drivetrain and get on with it.

Leave the fast exciting stuff to celebrate all that was good about motoring for it's final few years.
I'm loving this electric supercar 'pish' as you've somewhat curmudgeonly described. We're witnessing the birth of a paradigm shift in transportation propulsion - the last time this happened was in 1892, when Daimler sold the first automobile.

Fast? I've always cared about that as the sensation of high acceleration and speed never, ever gets old for me. I know I'm not alone in that.

Soulless rubbish? Whatever. I can't wait to see what the worlds brightest and best minds in the automobile field come up with next!

RBH58

969 posts

135 months

Monday 12th June 2017
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Electric cars are inevitable. As soon as battery tech allows refuelling to occur as quickly and conveniently as pulling into a station and refilling in 5 mins, that will be the tipping point for adoption. Mass producted, electric cars are going to be way cheaper to engineer, package and build. I think that the BEV will displace the IC engine as rapidly as the IC engine displaced the horse. That's why I'm not especially excited about Electric cars. I'm going to miss the IC engine.

Mr Tidy

22,327 posts

127 months

Monday 12th June 2017
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Maybe ask Fernando!

The car will probably struggle to get out of the pits (which is where it deserves to be)! POS.