RE: Drones - the future of racing

RE: Drones - the future of racing

Saturday 1st July 2017

Drones - the future of racing?

All the adrenaline without any of the risk



Talk of Roborace becoming a feature on the motorsport calendar is something that causes concern amongst many a petrolhead. I for one am all for pushing the boundaries of technology, but you need look no further than last weekend's Baku Grand Prix to see why taking the human element out racing defeats its very nature. No robot will ever take it upon itself to go for a gap that isn't really there, or get a little too hot under the collar when things don't go its way. Unless it's programmed too of course, and then what's the point? But for those of us who don't consider ourselves Luddites, yet fear that automated racing will diminish the sport, there could be an answer. Drones.


Although drone racing may currently seem little more than a hobby, akin to flying remote control airplanes or playing with RC cars, it is rapidly becoming big business. Many of the racers have come from high adrenaline, high-risk sports like Baja and MotoCross. Conrad Miller, one of the leading race drone pilots in the world says that when he first got into the sport, riding motocross bikes began to seem pointless. His son also races drones and is most likely to take his dad's crown very soon. To truly understand just how serious the upper echelons are, look no further than the £16m of investment that the Drone Racing League recently received. The name of the biggest investor may ring a bell too... Liberty Media.

Joe Egusquiza, a man with a name matched only in its stature by his incredible beard, is Director of Business Operations at Thrust UAV. He has a terrific passion for the sport, which he compares to playing Xbox on steroids, and is part of a project aiming to get school kids excited about science and engineering through drones. The race drones that the professionals use are a far cry from what those school children will be assembling though. Thrust UAV's own Riot 250R Pro is the remote controlled F1 car of the skies, built with the best components, possessed with incredible acceleration and able to deal with the intense amounts of G-force it endures through the mind-blowingly sharp turns it is capable of.


The experience of piloting a racing a drone is a unique one. Components like the controller may be familiar to an RC car driver, but here there is the added difficulty of adjusting for pitch and yaw. Simple, you may think, but the Riot 250R is capable of 0-60mph in around 1.5 seconds, with a top speed in excess of 100mph. Add into the mix the fact that the drone is controlled from a first person view via a VR headset, and it quickly becomes far trickier than you think. This drone's-eye-view allows the operator not only to see what the drone sees, but to genuinely feel the surge of acceleration as they zip through the next gate, or the rush of adrenaline as they pass millimetres from the trees, at what would be license losing speeds in a car. I, of course, had to have a go. So with some practice time on the simulator under my belt, and the mandatory Top Gun quotes out of the way, my cocky self thought I was ready to try out the real thing. Oh, how wrong I was.

What first surprises you when piloting a drone, isn't what you can see, but what you can't. Generally, when getting used to a controller, it's useful to see your hand movements to understand how much input is needed to accelerate and turn. But when the headset is on, you can only see what the drone sees, which is incredibly disorientating. Add to that the hummingbird-like reflexes of the drone, and you have an immensely steep learning curve. I would like to say I got the hang of it after a few runs, but there were still several instances when the pros I was remotely tethered to had to take over. Even after such a brief stint with the drone though, the adrenaline rush felt as if I had been piloting it first hand, despite never having left my chair, and I was aching for another hit.

So if you are down at the Goodwood Festival of Speed this weekend, be sure to check out the racing at the golf course. It may be in its infancy, but for drone racing the sky is quite literally the limit.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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V8RX7

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26,902 posts

264 months

Saturday 1st July 2017
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"All the adrenaline without any of the risk"

You cannot have all the adrenaline without all of the risk.

You only get adrenaline because of the risk - if you are risking a drone you are not getting the same amount of adrenaline as you get risking your life.

This looks far more interesting to me than any drone

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Czy0pXRRZcs



Edited by V8RX7 on Saturday 1st July 10:40

CoolHands

18,691 posts

196 months

Saturday 1st July 2017
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Errrr... no

robemcdonald

8,809 posts

197 months

Saturday 1st July 2017
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Drones - the future of racing?

No.

Gandahar

9,600 posts

129 months

Saturday 1st July 2017
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Tuna

19,930 posts

285 months

Saturday 1st July 2017
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V8RX7 said:
"All the adrenaline without any of the risk"

You cannot have all the adrenaline without all of the risk.

You only get adrenaline because of the risk - if you are risking a drone you are not getting the same amount of adrenaline as you get risking your life.

This looks far more interesting to me than any drone

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Czy0pXRRZcs
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..and just how accessible is a jet suit?

The thing about racing drones is you get first person view of a real physical 'thing' - you flinch when a tree comes up at you at 100 mph and the crack as one of those things hits something hard does actually matter if you've put your hard earned money into it. Unlike watching a YouTube video or playing a simulator, it's unpredictable but physically makes sense as you fly.

So rather than sitting on your comfy backside and muttering that it's only 'real' if you're driving/flying a few hundred thousand pounds of equipment, perhaps stop and consider that for anyone wanting to get into a lightning quick sport that requires real skill and fast reactions, drones aren't at all bad. Not only that, there is increasingly money going into the sport - and I wouldn't be surprised if the machines get more intense as that money flows. Already you can get something that does nearly 150 mph for only a few hundred pounds.

The kids angle is great too - drones are accessible - you can put one together from parts that you can understand, fly it, fix it, upgrade it and it won't break the bank. As an introduction to engineering, it's exciting and vastly better than some of the dull 'technology is cool' concepts that get pushed through schools these days. The tech is advancing rapidly too, so there's still bleeding edge stuff to try ont

V8RX7

Original Poster:

26,902 posts

264 months

Saturday 1st July 2017
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Tuna said:
V8RX7 said:
"All the adrenaline without any of the risk"

You cannot have all the adrenaline without all of the risk.

You only get adrenaline because of the risk - if you are risking a drone you are not getting the same amount of adrenaline as you get risking your life.

This looks far more interesting to me than any drone

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Czy0pXRRZcs
]
..and just how accessible is a jet suit?

The thing about racing drones is you get first person view of a real physical 'thing' - you flinch when a tree comes up at you at 100 mph and the crack as one of those things hits something hard does actually matter if you've put your hard earned money into it. Unlike watching a YouTube video or playing a simulator, it's unpredictable but physically makes sense as you fly.

So rather than sitting on your comfy backside and muttering that it's only 'real' if you're driving/flying a few hundred thousand pounds of equipment, perhaps stop and consider that for anyone wanting to get into a lightning quick sport that requires real skill and fast reactions, drones aren't at all bad. Not only that, there is increasingly money going into the sport - and I wouldn't be surprised if the machines get more intense as that money flows. Already you can get something that does nearly 150 mph for only a few hundred pounds.

The kids angle is great too - drones are accessible - you can put one together from parts that you can understand, fly it, fix it, upgrade it and it won't break the bank. As an introduction to engineering, it's exciting and vastly better than some of the dull 'technology is cool' concepts that get pushed through schools these days. The tech is advancing rapidly too, so there's still bleeding edge stuff to try ont
About as accessible as top level motorsport.

The article was about the future of Racing and adrenaline

If you wish to take it down a financial peg or two, today I was fixing my track car - cost less than a top level drone and 100x more adrenaline.

Lower still a moped on waste ground, lower still a BMX and a steep hill.

Whilst "gamers" might get a kick from drones - the vast majority of motorsport types, don't.



lucido grigio

44,044 posts

164 months

Saturday 1st July 2017
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Can't wait for it to be on tv ,perhaps as a support to Formula E.

In other words ,no thanks ,not for me.....nono

lufbramatt

5,346 posts

135 months

Saturday 1st July 2017
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It already is on tv- I came across it this morning on sky sports mix I think. Put it this way if it wasn't for the blonde in a leather top presenting it I would have turned it straight back over. It doesn't make a good spectator sport.

There's just no character to the machines. A few bits of Cnc carbon fibre, electronics and motors. I was at the festival of speed yesterday, the most entertaining things to watch the the cars that make the most noise, belch smoke and have to be caressed into life by a guy in oily overalls. When a v12 Ferrari wailed up the hill everyone stopped and stared. When the formula e went up- probably faster but with zero drama- you could feel the group "meh" as it went past.

Edited by lufbramatt on Saturday 1st July 22:47

anonymous-user

55 months

Sunday 2nd July 2017
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Why is this on PH? Utterly boring.

Yipper

5,964 posts

91 months

Sunday 2nd July 2017
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Remote-drone racing today is like remote-controled car racing in the 1980s. It will be popular with the media for a few years, then it will fade away, left only to be played by a handful of 40-yearold nerds.

MG CHRIS

9,085 posts

168 months

Sunday 2nd July 2017
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The problem with drone racing on TV they are so quick and small its extremely hard to actually film them and actually make out what is happening. The skills of the racers and technology is impressive but to watch it is boring. Then again watching club racing on TV is pretty boring too.
Its not a spectators sport but certainly impressive technology and the way the future will go. We are the dinosaurs and the past.

firebird350

323 posts

181 months

Sunday 2nd July 2017
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Can't see that much difference between flying drones and flying remote-controlled model aircraft to be honest - and model aircraft flying has been around for decades. Surely you can fix a camera to one of those too and get the same result? So what's all the fuss about?

DIW35

4,145 posts

201 months

Sunday 2nd July 2017
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MG CHRIS said:
The problem with drone racing on TV they are so quick and small its extremely hard to actually film them and actually make out what is happening. The skills of the racers and technology is impressive but to watch it is boring. Then again watching club racing on TV is pretty boring too.
Its not a spectators sport but certainly impressive technology and the way the future will go. We are the dinosaurs and the past.
Except that I don't suppose it would be beyond the realm of possibility to actually broadcast the view that the drone transmits to its pilot, similar to the on board cameras that F1 cars carry. Probably a bit more nauseating for the average viewer though, given the speeds and acrobatics the drones perform to get round a course.

mybrainhurts

90,809 posts

256 months

Sunday 2nd July 2017
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Not sure if thread serious......

exgtt

2,067 posts

213 months

Sunday 2nd July 2017
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Looks a right laff, not from a spectator perspective. I'd love to have a go at this! Surely in the future there will be craft people can ride themselves and that racing will be huge fun.

Murphy16

254 posts

83 months

Sunday 2nd July 2017
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Imagine being stood trackside watching, trying to keep track of these tiny barely noticable drones whizzing past

Housey

2,076 posts

228 months

Sunday 2nd July 2017
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I think if they made them car size, put 4 wheels on them, a petrol engine and put them on some sort of tarmac track then yea, it's got legs.

mybrainhurts

90,809 posts

256 months

Sunday 2nd July 2017
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Housey said:
I think if they made them car size, put 4 wheels on them, a petrol engine and put them on some sort of tarmac track then yea, it's got legs.
Legs?...Wheels, you 'tard

SystemParanoia

14,343 posts

199 months

DonkeyApple

55,408 posts

170 months

Monday 3rd July 2017
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firebird350 said:
Can't see that much difference between flying drones and flying remote-controlled model aircraft to be honest - and model aircraft flying has been around for decades. Surely you can fix a camera to one of those too and get the same result? So what's all the fuss about?
The word drone. It's seriously cool. Nothing existed before this word. Like beard.