RE: Abarth 124 Spider vs. Mazda MX-5 2.0

RE: Abarth 124 Spider vs. Mazda MX-5 2.0

Thursday 12th October 2017

Abarth 124 Spider vs. Mazda MX-5 2.0

So here we are, finally, with the most powerful pairing of MX-5 and 124 - which wins?



While there might be a perception that the editorial operation doesn't rise from its slumber for twin tests with less than 1,000hp, this little convertible contretemps has been very eagerly anticipated. See, we've driven plenty of MX-5s, both standard and modified, plus the regular and Abarth 124, and there's even been a track battle between them. But never have we pitched 2.0 MX-5 against Abarth Spider on the road. So here we are, all 330hp, 3,366cc and 2,060kg of them - punchy.

Familiar with the 124 as our long-term steed, it seems wise to begin in the Mazda. Immediately and in every regard it feels a more modest, less showy sort of car. The outside is simpler in design - though it could be argued more appealing as a result - while the interior has none of the embellishments the Abarth forces you to take note of. Bizarrely it turns out to be the rev counters that give away most about the car's characters: the 124's is grey on red, featuring bold graphics and large numbers; the MX-5 is more modest and unassuming in design, a clear and crisp white on black tacho, but it's also the one with a higher redline...


The engines are the clearest difference between the two, the single aspect that defines their separate characters best. While we've pontificated a great deal about the virtues of Mazda's Skyactiv units, it's worth droning on a little bit more. While not an absolute screamer, to have an engine that responds and revs as eagerly as this does, in a world where even Porsche can't offer a series production engine without a turbo, is really rather nice. It's not scorchingly fast, but then that's not the point - the Mazda is satisfying because of how it zips around to the redline, power building to a peak high in the revs as we like in a sports car. Combine it with a light, slick, six-speed manual and a nice induction bark and you'll be parping along merrily in no time, wondering for all the world why anybody needs any more car than an MX-5.

There is fun to be had in the corners, though a standard MX-5 is far from an unqualified dynamic triumph. The steering gives very little impression of what the front wheels are doing but is also quite sharp off centre, which only seems to exacerbate the car's tendency to fall onto its outside wheel through bends. While great for imparting a sense of thrill and drama to the drive at low speed, it also means the car is very easily unsettled by mid-corner bumps because it's already loaded up with seemingly little effort. While fantastically balanced front to rear, a short wheelbase means you have to be quick if it is disrupted.


With the engine how it is the MX-5 should be all about cornering momentum, sustaining the speed you've accrued with precise direction changes and dynamic poise. Rather it feels a bit scrappy and therefore you tend to overslow the car for a corner, which doesn't feel much fun at all. The brakes and gearbox are fantastic when you do have to calm the pace, but it will take a while to get going again...

On less bumpy roads the MX-5 is better, both car and driver more settled; now you can enjoy its compact dimensions, the accuracy that comes with the limited-slip diff and - cliche alert - the wind in your hair on a sunny autumnal morning. It's all rather nice.

See that's perhaps the biggest revelation of the day, when it comes to formally assessing this pair. Despite everything, neither is really a sports car; treat them as such and you'll be disappointed by their shortfalls and lack of focus. But approach them as roadsters with a bit more pep than standard and they make a lot more sense.

Even with its racy graphics, swathes of Alcantara and ridiculous exhaust, this applies to the Abarth as well. It's certainly a more serious car than the Mazda, and being able to swap between them is an enlightening exercise, but that isn't to say it's perfect.


Not only does the 124 carry a little more weight, there's also some additional heft to the controls. The steering requires more effort and the gearbox is sturdier (though still excellent), which imbues the car with a more serious attitude from the off - it's quite welcome, in fact.

Unsurprisingly, the engine bolsters that attitude too. It's sometimes easy to forget that this little turbo packs just 1,368cc of swept capacity, so angry and belligerent is its demeanour. Well it is, right up until you experience the inevitable lag that comes with delivering 170hp from so few cubic centimetres. It's thrown into even starker contrast here, having come from the inertia free delivery of the Mazda.

The flip side, of course, is a mid-range that the MX-5 can't match, day-to-day performance that's easier to access and, to be honest, greater scope for being a bit of a scallywag. The additional torque - 184lb ft plays 148 - means the Abarth works its limits more readily than the Mazda. Given the cars are inherently so well balanced that's a pleasure: as a firmer car than the MX-5, the turn in doesn't catch the 124's rear out, meaning the line can be adjusted off the throttle by carrying some additional speed in, or slightly on the throttle by chasing the accelerator early in the bend and relying on that limited-slip diff. On dry roads it's a vice-free and entertaining introduction to front-engined, rear-drive dynamics, aided again by compact dimensions.

The problem? Firming the car's suspension up has highlighted the rigidity issues, the Abarth jiggling its way down a typical British B-road rather unpleasantly. It's a jolly good laugh in the right circumstances, engine gargling away and chassis adjustable to your want, but the flex isn't nice.


So how to conclude? As you may have guessed, neither car here quite hits the spot. While undoubtedly enjoyable on the day we had them, as respective flagships it would be nice to have both cars deliver a little more dynamically. More frustrating still is that tuners like BBR have shown - with little change - how to really make the most of what is innately a very good platform. As it is the MX-5 feels a little too wallowy and vague, the Abarth perhaps too aggressive for its own good.

With this budget to spend on one of these cars, our choice and recommendation would be an MX-5 2.0 with money then spent at BBR to energise that engine further and address the suspension. But that's not the test, obviously. Of the two roadsters you see here, the Abarth is the more satisfying and enjoyable car to drive thanks to its torque and more focused suspension. Just. However the MX-5 wins this test - bear with - because, as tested, it's £7K cheaper. And the 124's advantage is too slight to justify that sort of premium, despite what anybody says. Perhaps the cheerier verdict is to say that both offer a unique take on the two-seat roadster despite their shared components, and there's evidently potential to easily make each better still. Let's see what else the aftermarket can conjure up...


ABARTH 124 SPIDER
Engine
: 1,368cc, turbocharged inline-four
Transmission: six-speed manual, rear-wheel drive
Power (hp): 172@6,500rpm
Torque (lb ft): 184@2,500rpm
0-62mph: 6.8sec
Top speed: 144mph
Weight: 1,060kg (unladen)
MPG: 44.1 (NEDC combined)
CO2: 148g/km
Price: £29,620 (As tested £32,210 comprising £600 for Portogallo 1974 Grey paint, £1,250 for Visibility Pack (LED headlights with automatic levelling and washers, Adaptive Front Light System, Dusk-sensing and rain sensitive wipers, rear parking sensors) and £795 for Bose Sound System)

MAZDA MX-5 SKYACTIV-G 2.0 SPORTNAV
Engine:
 1,998cc, 4-cyl
Transmission: 6-speed manual, rear-wheel drive
Power (hp): 160@6,000rpm
Torque (lb ft): 148@4,600rpm
0-62mph: 7.3sec 
Top speed: 133mph 
Weight: 1,075kg (with 75kg driver) 
MPG: 40.9mpg (NEDC combined)
CO2: 161g/km
Price:  £24,195 (As tested £25,145 comprising £550 for Mica metallic pearlescent paint and £400 for Safety Pack)

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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redroadster

Original Poster:

1,739 posts

232 months

Thursday 12th October 2017
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Fiat looks fugly compared to Mazda ,pity they did not stick to plan and use it as a base Alfa this would have been far nicer looking from renderings pics I saw .

culpz

4,884 posts

112 months

Thursday 12th October 2017
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I quite like the Abarth 124 Spider but the price tag is silly, even when you un-tick those specific options as tested.

I also can't help but feel that Abarth are attempting to create a new niche of hot-sports cars, which i find ironic really, as it's always been the MX5's lack of excessive performance (and weight) that makes it so popular.

I wasn't keen on the ND's shape when it was first released but i'm really warming to it now. It looks great every time i see one.

Cotic

469 posts

152 months

Thursday 12th October 2017
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redroadster said:
Fiat looks fugly compared to Mazda ,pity they did not stick to plan and use it as a base Alfa this would have been far nicer looking from renderings pics I saw .
And yet I much prefer the looks of the Abarth. Funny how this taste thing works, isn't it? I do agree that the Alfa connection may have been better; the 124 styling has echos of the old Alfa Spider to my eyes. Stick a ducktail on it and you're done.

GTEYE

2,096 posts

210 months

Thursday 12th October 2017
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redroadster said:
Fiat looks fugly compared to Mazda ,pity they did not stick to plan and use it as a base Alfa this would have been far nicer looking from renderings pics I saw .
Renderings are one thing, the reality is it would probably have been still an MX-5 but with Alfa badges

The Fiat is just daft at that price, Mazda all day long and looks better too

bigvanfan

378 posts

132 months

Thursday 12th October 2017
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Over a certain age you would look silly driving the fiat,terrible looking thing , Mazda for me

corozin

2,680 posts

271 months

Thursday 12th October 2017
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Thirty grand is an awful lot of money for something with just a 1.4 litre engine in it. I can't imagine how Fiat believes that something so small and highly strung justifies premium money... you're a few quid away from Golf R territory here

TurboHatchback

4,160 posts

153 months

Thursday 12th October 2017
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That Mazda for me please (in red), I can't deal with the styling of the Fiat at all. It's the only thing on sale that might one day be able to replace my MR2.

lucido grigio

44,044 posts

163 months

Thursday 12th October 2017
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bigvanfan said:
Over a certain age you would look silly driving the fiat,terrible looking thing , Mazda for me
Why would an old person look okay in the Mazda but not the Abarth ?

Old people should stick to Korean white goods obviously.....wobble

NDNDNDND

2,022 posts

183 months

Thursday 12th October 2017
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Given the shortfall in steering feel, it's a pity these cars aren't available without power steering. Cars this size really don't need it. It's a pity the market somehow dictates that a car MUST have PAS, even if it makes the car worse.

Cotic

469 posts

152 months

Thursday 12th October 2017
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lucido grigio said:
bigvanfan said:
Over a certain age you would look silly driving the fiat,terrible looking thing , Mazda for me
Why would an old person look okay in the Mazda but not the Abarth ?

Old people should stick to Korean white goods obviously.....wobble
My stepmum has the 2.0 RF, in bright red. She's 71. What should I tell her the internet says about that?

NJJ

435 posts

80 months

Thursday 12th October 2017
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The real tragedy in this test is the line: " where even Porsche can't offer a series production engine without a turbo". Therefore, the answer to this test must be a 987 Boxster and the change surely, or an S2000 with even more change? A pokey naturally aspirated open top sports car is a gift from the gods on the right road.

Cannot see anyone who is in to their sports cars buying either one of these.

NJJ

Simon Owen

805 posts

134 months

Thursday 12th October 2017
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I think BRR do a reasonably good job of turning the 'roadster' into a 'sports car', certainly in full fat S200 guise anyway.

Yes there still remains a lack of focus compared to a fully hardcore approach but the positives far outweigh the negatives.

I haven't driven the 124 but it sounds like BBR have done a better job than Fiat in attempting the transformation ?

Problem is there is nothing else out there with the size, weight & packaging of the ND platform but offering a truly focussed drive.

It sounds like Renault may be there with the new Alpine ... but that has a roof.

Most competition is either bigger, heavier & much faster or smaller, lighter & way less practical :-(

ND packaging is great (for what it is) just needs stiffer chassis, more focussed suspension & better steering feel ....


TurboHatchback

4,160 posts

153 months

Thursday 12th October 2017
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Cotic said:
lucido grigio said:
bigvanfan said:
Over a certain age you would look silly driving the fiat,terrible looking thing , Mazda for me
Why would an old person look okay in the Mazda but not the Abarth ?

Old people should stick to Korean white goods obviously.....wobble
My stepmum has the 2.0 RF, in bright red. She's 71. What should I tell her the internet says about that?
I would have thought over a certain age you wouldn't give a st what people thought about how you look and hence drive what you want.

Honeywell

1,375 posts

98 months

Thursday 12th October 2017
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lucido grigio said:
Why would an old person look okay in the Mazda but not the Abarth ?

Old people should stick to Korean white goods obviously.....wobble
WTF has Korea got to do with Mazda?!

I think the criticisms of these cars are odd. Buyers aren’t looking to cover ground at maximum attack or out drag a GolfR from the lights. On the limit corner stance and power oversteer is not what you really bought a two seat roadster for. A Porsche is such overkill will performance of even the most modest one at the same level of grip, acceleration and braking that we only saw in supercars in the 1990’s. The smallest 2.0 Boxster is a 300bhp car, 4.9secs (4.7 if you go for the optional Sport Chrono) all that’s required for the 0-62mph sprint, and 11.1secs to reach 99mph (three-tenths quicker still if Sport Chrono is fitted) and it maxes at 170mph.

Honestly? In the British countryside where I live I can’t use that on my typical drive without either having a very big accident, being a cock or losing my license. But because it’s over engineered for the actual intended use it’s very expensive to buy and run.

An MX5 is fun to thrash and FEELS fast but doesn’t take your fillings out on the hundreds of pot holes and badly repaired roads I encounter every mile of my drive.

Mazda seem to get that but car reviewers don’t. I don’t actually care if the suspension flops about bit and on the limit of dry cornering grip it would benefit from stiffer suspension. I care about not cracking the alloys or my spine on our atrocious roads.


BeirutTaxi

6,631 posts

214 months

Thursday 12th October 2017
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Surely the Fiat falls into the trap of being too expensive for most people to have as an only car, and those who can afford to have a second weekend car will want something better engineered?

dukeboy749r

2,631 posts

210 months

Thursday 12th October 2017
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Amazing how the engine cover in the Fiat (from the picture posted), looks just like it is - a stuck on cover - whereas on the Mazda, the engine genuinely looks the part and all seems to gel together nicely

GarethCamp

23 posts

260 months

Thursday 12th October 2017
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I bought a 2.0 MX-5 in July and agree with the comments, but for me the Mazda is the infinitely better looking car of the two. I went for the Recaro Limited Edition in Soul Red so it has the added benefit of the air dams, side skirts and spoilers which make it look a lot better than the standard car (that and the Recaro seats ofcourse). I'm hoping 30mm Eibach lowering springs will go a long way to improving the drive, but in the long run I will be looking to up the power also.

Filibuster

3,156 posts

215 months

Thursday 12th October 2017
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That is the correct way of a Japanese / Italian co-production: Let the Japanese do the oily bits and leave the styling to the Italians.

Not the other way round, like when they did the Alfa Romeo Arna:

70s Italian engineering coupled with 70s Japanese styling....

PistonBroker

2,419 posts

226 months

Thursday 12th October 2017
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Loved my 2.0 NC and everything I hear about the ND suggests it's even better.

I wasn't taken by the 124's looks on paper, but having seen one in a car park at the weekend I actually didn't think it looked too bad. I wasn't aware they were so over-priced though. I'm struggling to see the point if the car it's based on can be bought cheaper.

So, as is customary on PH, the MX5 is the answer here!

lucido grigio

44,044 posts

163 months

Thursday 12th October 2017
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Honeywell said:
lucido grigio said:
Why would an old person look okay in the Mazda but not the Abarth ?

Old people should stick to Korean white goods obviously.....wobble
WTF has Korea got to do with Mazda?!
Calm down Honey .

Stick ,wrong end of.

I didn't even read the rest of what you said,just deleted.

I drive a convertible Fiat btw.