RE: New rally Porsche Cayman R-GT set for WRC debut

RE: New rally Porsche Cayman R-GT set for WRC debut

Friday 10th August

Porsche confirms 'concept study' rally Cayman

Rally-spec GT4 to run as course car at Rallye Deutschland



UPDATE - 10-08-18
So Porsche has finally gotten around to officially revealing its R-GT category Cayman. As we suggested last week, the car is a lightly reworked GT4 Clubsport, which will run as a course car at the ADAC Rallye Deutschland next weekend with Romain Dumas installed at the business end. The manufacturer calls the new model a 'concept study', and leaves open the question of whether or not it will be offered to customers at a later stage. 

Predictably, Porsche hasn't divulged a huge amount of technical data on how the car differs from its circuit racing sibling, but it has confirmed that its rear wheels are driven by the same 385hp 3.8-litre flat-six engine and PDK transmission. As you might expect, the R-GT Cayman features full underbody protection, as well as energy-absorbing foam in the doors to help with punishment it's likely to face on your average rally stage. 

"We're looking forward to seeing how the rally world responds to our FIA R-GT concept study," says Dr. Frank-Steffen Walliser, Vice President Motorsport and GT Cars. "I would like to invite every interested driver and team principal to visit the service park and take a close look at our rally concept car. Based on the feedback and the interest from potential customers, we will then decide by the end of the year whether we'll develop in the mid-term a competition car for near-standard rallying based on a future Porsche model."






ORIGINAL - 31-07-18
What’s cooler than a rear-wheel drive rally car? A rear-wheel drive rally car being backed around a tight tree-lined right-hander by Porsche factory racing driver Romain Dumas. See below for evidence.

But it gets better, because this video doesn’t just feature a bored two-times Le Mans winner mucking about on a forest lane. No, this is Dumas lending his extensive rally knowledge to test an all-new challenger for the FIA’s R-GT class of world rallying. The category features rally versions of GT racing cars, ranging from Porsche 911s to Abarth 124s.

 

Dumas’s car, a Porsche Cayman R-GT, looks to be based on the outgoing GT4 Clubsport so ought to use a 3.8-litre naturally aspirated flat six (rejoice), sourced from the pre-turbocharged 991 911 Carrera to produce something in the region of 385hp - although that output could change in the rally car.

While no technical specifications have been released, Dumas’s rally engineering company (he doesn’t just like asphalt, you know) RD Limited has handled the competition makeover, so expect a rally-spec suspension setup that can survive jumps and bumps, a more aggressive limited-slip differential and stone-proof brakes to be included.


Dumas, who last won Le Mans in 2016 in the Porsche 919 Hybrid, recently tweeted that the Cayman R-GT will compete in the German round of the World Rally Championship, which takes place on the 16-19th of August. Although he hasn’t confirmed it, it’s thought that if the car performs well there, it’ll be Dumas’s challenger for stints in the 2019 R-GT Cup, a world championship dedicated to rear-driven machines.

You might be wondering why Dumas doesn’t just use an R-GT-spec 911, since rally 911s are commonplace and Dumas has even won previous R-GT rallies in a converted GT3 RS 4.0. It’s possible that the more compact dimensions of the Cayman and its mid-ship engine layout could make it the more effective tool to thread around narrow rally stages. But we’d also hedge that 40-year-old Frenchman Dumas quite fancied developing a rally car from the ground up. Because, well, who wouldn’t?

 

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rastapasta

Original Poster:

426 posts

74 months

Tuesday 31st July
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R-GT is the future of rallying.





ukaskew

4,425 posts

157 months

Tuesday 31st July
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There is something so wrong yet so perfectly right about seeing a 911 rallying.

Thought the same when Aston Martin went rallying too.

unpc

2,048 posts

149 months

Tuesday 31st July
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I'm no Porsche or Cayman lover but this is so right. I used to love rallying as a lad but the current crop of WRC cars leave me stone cold. It's high time they junked all that 4WD nonsense and made it a spectator sport again with proper length rallies with interesting (slower) cars.

re33

91 posts

100 months

Tuesday 31st July
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Anyone know what the rules for GT class are? As in how close to standard it is meant to be? Even with going on major diet and significant suspension and gearbox changes I can't see it getting near current WRC cars. Looks and sounds great though.

ArnageWRC

909 posts

95 months

Tuesday 31st July
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The FiA has done very little to encourage a GT class for Rallying; and FiA R-GT hasn't been success - a handful of entrants (mainly Dumas & Delecour). The R-GT's are expensive & time consuming to build, so very few people have bothered. A shame...

So, why didn't they just allow GT3 cars? There are hundreds of them all over place, which could be the basis of a great championship. I reckon it's political - as GT3's would possibly take attention away from the Manufacturer backed WRC/ R5 cars....

However, good luck to Romain and his team (and Porsche Motorsport who have obviously blessed the project). There was a time when Sportscar/ GTs were common on events...
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aeropilot

16,565 posts

163 months

Tuesday 31st July
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ukaskew said:
There is something so wrong yet so perfectly right about seeing a 911 rallying.
Definitely nothing wrong with seeing a 911 rallying!!!

The Porsche factory went rallying with the 911 from the very beginning.... and very successfully as well, Vic Elford winning numerous major rallies in the 911 in the late 60's, as well as taking part and winning the very first Rallycross event, and the factory continued to be involved in supporting customers etc. right through the 70's, and even into the early 80's in Rallying and Rallycross, and then into Rallyraids as well.










donteatpeople

465 posts

210 months

Tuesday 31st July
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ArnageWRC said:
So, why didn't they just allow GT3 cars?
I wouldn’t have thought a GT3 car would be suitable for rally driving ‘out of the box’ due to short travel suspension, long gearing, no handbrake and no seat for the co-driver.

Tickle

2,926 posts

140 months

Tuesday 31st July
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This looks great, GT cars look fantastic in Rally Spec.

This article reminds me of the Fancois Delecour video in the GT3 RS with a rather frightened Chris Harris!

DanielSan

13,611 posts

103 months

Tuesday 31st July
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rastapasta said:
R-GT is the future of rallying.
It really isn’t, the class has been around for 10 years is still a class most fans don’t even realise exists.

Bayerischer

193 posts

83 months

Tuesday 31st July
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ukaskew said:
There is something so wrong yet so perfectly right about seeing a 911 rallying.
https://www.pistonheads.com/classifieds/used-cars/porsche/911-964/porsche-911-carrera-3-litre/8902007

dunc_sx

917 posts

133 months

Tuesday 31st July
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Fantastic smile

Sandpit Steve

84 posts

10 months

Tuesday 31st July
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Tickle said:
This looks great, GT cars look fantastic in Rally Spec.

This article reminds me of the Fancois Delecour video in the GT3 RS with a rather frightened Chris Harris!
Ah yes...
13 minutes of young Mr Harris’s face alternating between scared witless and massive grin!
https://youtube.com/watch?v=LRvcobW-LN4

More GT cars rallying please smile

fblm

15,349 posts

199 months

Tuesday 31st July
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unpc said:
I'm no Porsche or Cayman lover but this is so right. I used to love rallying as a lad but the current crop of WRC cars leave me stone cold.
Completely agree. As a kid I couldn't get enough of the Delta Integrales, then the Celicas, then the Impreza/Evo battles. Then in the 2000's it was suddenly all crappy little French hatch backs; zero interest at all! I watched Rally Finland this weekend and I couldn't even tell you what all the cars were, Hyundais and Fiestas I think? They're probably faster than GpB were but it's difficult to get excited about something that looks like your grans car with a weird wing on.

Nerdherder

339 posts

33 months

Tuesday 31st July
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This appeals on so many levels. Ace.

Jon_S_Rally

165 posts

24 months

Tuesday 31st July
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This thread demonstrates one thing - the WRC is still doing a st job of promoting itself. If you think the latest WRC cars are boring, I urge you to go to Wales in October and watch Rally GB. The current cars are wilder than we have had for years. Well worth watching. Not to mention the fact that the championship is now a really hard-fought battle.

Anyway, back to topic. I would love for R-GT to be a success but, as others have said, it appears that the FIA don't want it to infringe on the dominance of the WRC machines. A nominal kg/bhp number stifles them. Richard Tuthill built a lovely 911 R-GT a few years back. That was based around a Porsche Cup car, but with revised suspension and gearing among other things. A stunning car that sounded amazing but, by all accounts, they just aren't quite powerful enough. They're also very expensive to build/run. Extremely popular with spectators in mianland Europe though.

One day the FIA might get rallying right. Or not.

fblm

15,349 posts

199 months

Tuesday 31st July
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Jon_S_Rally said:
...If you think the latest WRC cars are boring...
Boring is the wrong word. Rally Finland was spectacular; the car's are clearly incredible but honestly I just couldn't care who won; a hyundai or a fiesta... don't care! It's irrational granted but this fanboy needs a car and (co)driver to cheer on to really enjoy it!

aeropilot

16,565 posts

163 months

Tuesday 31st July
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fblm said:
Jon_S_Rally said:
...If you think the latest WRC cars are boring...
Boring is the wrong word. Rally Finland was spectacular; the car's are clearly incredible but honestly I just couldn't care who won; a hyundai or a fiesta... don't care! It's irrational granted but this fanboy needs a car and (co)driver to cheer on to really enjoy it!
Think is, they aren't Hyundai's or Fiesta's etc., they are 300k geek tech fests, F1 in the forests and being an old git, that just leaves me cold.

Rally cars need to be much more related to road cars, and rallying needs to get back to what rallying used to be about.




ArnageWRC

909 posts

95 months

Tuesday 31st July
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Jon_S_Rally said:
This thread demonstrates one thing - the WRC is still doing a st job of promoting itself.
Exactly!! I don't think there was one single post on the Rallying thread about Rally Finland.........did people actually know it was on? Or aren't they interested?

There is absolutely nothing wrong with the sporting side - we may be seeing a challenge to Ogier's dominance. However, Hamilton is leading the F1 so that's the only motorsport story in town.

a11y_m

1,693 posts

158 months

Tuesday 31st July
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Sandpit Steve said:
Ah yes...
13 minutes of young Mr Harris’s face alternating between scared witless and massive grin!
https://youtube.com/watch?v=LRvcobW-LN4

More GT cars rallying please smile
Thank you chaps, that video passed me by til now but just watched it. Delacour: superb.

RichieRuss1

13 posts

31 months

Wednesday 1st August
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This to me is rallying Nirvana and I'd travel many miles to see... Or rather hear these 911 GT3 rally cars at full Rev's slipping, sliding, jumping and crashing over bumps! Turn up the sound as it's music to any petrol heads ears!

https://youtu.be/qgoU6tebIHA

https://youtu.be/FmmBxopZcDg


Edited by RichieRuss1 on Wednesday 1st August 00:59