RE: Fancy a first gen Formula E car? Yours for ?1

RE: Fancy a first gen Formula E car? Yours for ?1

Monday 20th August 2018

Fancy a Formula E car? Yours for £150k

The first generation of Formula E cars is done. But not forgotten



Formula E has come on leaps and bounds since it was established in 2014. In just two seasons it will have more manufacturer teams in it than Formula 1 and, as a result, it is attracting more and more world-class talent. Yet the all-electric series remains a divisive topic at PH for the very simple reason that the cars it features are rather unspectacular to behold. Or certainly to listen to, at any rate.

Would that change if we could all have a go, though? Because that has now become a very real possibility for anyone with the resources as the entire field of first-generation Formula E cars has gone on sale, having been retired from action.

According to Bloomberg, the cars will be priced from around £150,000 to £250,000, with each car’s value depending on a variety of factors including its success and the driver who drove it. They’ll come ready to race and with supporting equipment, including the plug to charge its Williams Advanced Engineering-developed 28 kWh Lithium-ion battery pack. Each will retain its 270hp electric motor, produced by McLaren Electronic Systems.

Formula E-powered road car revealed

Ok, so the prospect of ownership is unlikely to stir excitement in a PHer like a V12-engined Ferrari 412 T2 or cutting edge F1 racer from the pre-turbo V6 era (like the Sauber C30 recently purchased by PHer poppopbangbang). But let's not forget that Formula E cars are considerably more simple and cost-effective to run, offering plug-and-play performance (literally) and using treaded Michelin tyres that are, compared to the sticky rubber of an average single seater, as hard as blocks of wood.

Formula E has said that it expects most racers to end up in the collections of wealthy motorsport enthusiasts, but there’s nothing stopping you from using a car for trackdays or even competition, should you find a class for the car to compete in. These first Formula E cars offer just 12 to 17 laps of running before they need a re-charge, meaning the ones that do get used are probably destined for a future of hill sprints.

As Volkswagen showed with its record-breaking ID R Pikes Peak prototype, that might just be the best place for them...

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MikeGoodwin

Original Poster:

3,339 posts

117 months

Monday 20th August 2018
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Fancy a first gen Formula E car? Yours for £1

I actually wouldnt pay £1 for these.

Typo in your thread title!

thegreenhell

15,329 posts

219 months

Monday 20th August 2018
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I'd buy one for £1, maybe even two of them.

ukaskew

10,642 posts

221 months

Monday 20th August 2018
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Here for the £1 Formula E car. Disappointed.

meehaja

607 posts

108 months

Monday 20th August 2018
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I'd love an electric car for hill climbing... something a bit different!

borat52

564 posts

208 months

Monday 20th August 2018
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Extremely interesting. It would be great to see an amateur serious of these.

Just one question. How long to recharge one?

RacerMike

4,204 posts

211 months

Monday 20th August 2018
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Complete with a McLaren motor? I was under the impression all the teams developed their own motors and gearboxes, so have they taken these out?

kambites

67,556 posts

221 months

Monday 20th August 2018
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RacerMike said:
Complete with a McLaren motor? I was under the impression all the teams developed their own motors and gearboxes, so have they taken these out?
In the first season all the cars were identical.

PGNSagaris

2,934 posts

166 months

Monday 20th August 2018
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Article said:

“These first Formula E cars offer just 12 to 17 laps of running before they need a re-charge”


fk OFF..how st is that.

st sport. st concept.

G321

575 posts

204 months

Monday 20th August 2018
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meehaja said:
I'd love an electric car for hill climbing... something a bit different!
Electric cars aren't allowed to enter hill climbs competetively as far as I know, something to do with the fire risk of the batteries. Shelsley walsh recently had a formula E car go up the hill but it was for demonstration purposes only for that reason

99dndd

2,084 posts

89 months

Monday 20th August 2018
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PGNSagaris said:
Article said:

“These first Formula E cars offer just 12 to 17 laps of running before they need a re-charge”


fk OFF..how st is that.

st sport. st concept.
The idea is for manufacturers to use motorsport to improve the technology. So far, it's working.

essayer

9,065 posts

194 months

Monday 20th August 2018
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But can it do London-Aberdeen without stopping to refuel? EVs are all pointless. Can’t even fit a roof box. Rubbish.

kambites

67,556 posts

221 months

Monday 20th August 2018
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essayer said:
But can it do London-Aberdeen without stopping to refuel? EVs are all pointless. Can’t even fit a roof box. Rubbish.
Yeah, imagine if whoever starts a "historic Formula-E" series decided to close the A1 and do a race along its full length... useless!

RacerMike

4,204 posts

211 months

Monday 20th August 2018
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99dndd said:
PGNSagaris said:
Article said:

“These first Formula E cars offer just 12 to 17 laps of running before they need a re-charge”


fk OFF..how st is that.

st sport. st concept.
The idea is for manufacturers to use motorsport to improve the technology. So far, it's working.
I don't have that much of a problem with it (there's space in the world for both ICE and Electric motorsport). I am slightly frustrated by the constant marketing rubbish that's quoted about the technology in Formula E 'helping manufacturers develop technology for the road'. It couldn't be further from the truth....the FIA has placed so many arbitrary limits on things like battery size and power that the Battery Technology in FE is probably 5 years out of date. From what I've seen, there is virtually zero technology flow from Formula E to road cars....if anything it's the other way. The actual innovation is happening in OEMs and manufacturers of charging tech. There's very little you can learn from a 300bhp EV with a 28kWh battery and a 50kWh (may even be slower) diesel powered charger...

You'd hope the governing bodies would have learnt and allowed freedom in thew new electric Rally Cross, but yet again, we see overly restrictive silhouette style rules with virtually no breadth for innovation. It's a crazy state of affairs that an electric Formula Student car can be more impressive and technically interesting/challenging than full scale motorsport.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I-NCH8ct24U

or here for the actual run where it breaks the overall world record for 0-100kph

https://www.youtube.com/watch?annotation_id=annota...

Edited by RacerMike on Monday 20th August 12:27

xjay1337

15,966 posts

118 months

Monday 20th August 2018
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99dndd said:
The idea is for manufacturers to use motorsport to improve the technology. So far, it's working.
I'd disagree.

corozin

2,680 posts

271 months

Monday 20th August 2018
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It's nice to know they are chucking a plug in with the deal...

Harry H

3,398 posts

156 months

Monday 20th August 2018
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I've watched Formula E a few times on the telly. Never managed a whole race as it's so boring.

What I really fail to understand is why are all the tracks so narrow. Most of the ones I've seen aren't wide enough for anyone to overtake even on a straight. I'm sure the event organisers are more knowledgeable than me about circuit selection/design but if you want people to watch something surely it' got to be entertaining. It's bad enough in F1 but Formula E seems to take it to another level.

mcdjl

5,446 posts

195 months

Monday 20th August 2018
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PGNSagaris said:
Article said:

“These first Formula E cars offer just 12 to 17 laps of running before they need a re-charge”


fk OFF..how st is that.

st sport. st concept.
Have a look at the length of most club races in the UK.

mrbarnett

1,091 posts

93 months

Monday 20th August 2018
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The formula of E's was much more exciting in my day rotatehippyrotate

VitorioVeloce

4,296 posts

143 months

Monday 20th August 2018
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PGNSagaris said:
Article said:

“These first Formula E cars offer just 12 to 17 laps of running before they need a re-charge”


fk OFF..how st is that.

st sport. st concept.
And that is 12-17 laps of tracks which are specifically tailored to suit FE, so low speeds, no long straights and lots of energy recovery.

Im not sure it could even manage a lap of the nordschleiffe at full speed without running out of puff. 28 kWh of battery means it can do 280 kw, roughly 380bhp for 6 minutes. Even if it can recover a lot of power (where generation, storage and redeployment all take efficiency losses), im not sure if those figures add up.

Toltec

7,159 posts

223 months

Monday 20th August 2018
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VitorioVeloce said:
And that is 12-17 laps of tracks which are specifically tailored to suit FE, so low speeds, no long straights and lots of energy recovery.

Im not sure it could even manage a lap of the nordschleiffe at full speed without running out of puff. 28 kWh of battery means it can do 280 kw, roughly 380bhp for 6 minutes. Even if it can recover a lot of power (where generation, storage and redeployment all take efficiency losses), im not sure if those figures add up.
It depends how you add it up, given the motor is 270bhp or around 200kW you seem to have used the wrong values.