RE: Aston Martin Rapide E details

RE: Aston Martin Rapide E details

Wednesday 12th September

Aston Martin Rapide E details

The all-electric Aston edges nearer, with 155mph and more than 610hp confirmed



Aston Martin has released more details of its upcoming fully-electric Rapide, a car which has been in the pipeline for quite some time. Now confirmed as the Rapide E, rather than the slightly clunkier RapidE moniker assigned to it previously, it is set to become the most powerful iteration of the model when it reaches customers next year.

Built in collaboration with Williams Advanced Engineering - which made headlines most recently for its work on Singer's 'Dynamics and Lightweighting Study' - the Rapide E's twin electric motors will produce over 610hp and 700lb ft of torque. That would be enough to propel the car from 0-60 in less than four seconds and on to a top speed of 155mph.


Aston, of course, claims that its first EV is aimed above offerings from a certain US manufacturer; comparisons seem somewhat inevitable, though, so here we go. A Ludicrous Plus equipped P100d develops 610hp and 713lb ft for a 0-60mph time of 2.4 seconds and a top speed of 155mph. That would make it quite a bit quicker off the line than the Rapide E, but Aston CEO Andy Palmer says that outright speed isn't the Rapide's focus.

Palmer previously told Autocar that it was designed to target "those guys looking for something above Tesla. That customer probably isn't looking for 'Ludicrous mode'. Our offer will have very credible acceleration - equal to a petrol Aston Martin - but you'll be able to drive the car rapidly all the way around the Nurburgring without it derating or conking out on you."

Shots fired! To back up Palmer's claims, the Rapide E will be able to call on all of its performance at almost any level of charge. This will bestow it with "the ability to cope with the daily demands of repeated hard acceleration and braking" or allow it to complete a full lap of the aforementioned circuit with "absolutely no derating of the battery". The Tesla on the other hand has been known to see its performance tail off as its battery drains, with one test seeing its 0-60 time rise by over 50 per cent as its power reserves depleted.


Aside from its powertrain, Aston has gone to great lengths to ensure its EV doesn't stand out too much. Though a unique set of aerodynamic wheels will tell it apart from the rest of the range visually, the spring and damper rates of the Rapide E have been recalibrated specifically to emulate the driving characteristics of its petrol powered peers. And it should be able to keep up with them on the autobahn, too, with that 155mph top speed able to be maintained continuously for more than 10 minutes.

As for range, Aston quotes a distance of "over 200 miles" based on the new WLTP tests, while Tesla reckons the P100D can make it around 330 miles on a single charge (although that figure is based on the notoriously unrealistic NEDC test). Meanwhile, a regular Rapide can travel over 400 miles on a single tank. When it comes to charging, an 800v outlet will allow the Rapide E to fully recharge in around 45 minutes.

The Rapide E will be built at Aston Martin's new St. Athan production facility, recently announced as the 'Home of Electrification' for both the Aston Martin and Lagonda brands. Interest can be registered now through the usual channels, with the first customer deliveries scheduled for the end of 2019. With just 155 examples to go around, though, you'd better be quick!

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HardMiles

Original Poster:

157 posts

19 months

Wednesday 12th September
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Just been sick in my mouth.

Why oh why is every man and his dog believing that a car that is almost unrecyceable and will only have a lifespan of circa 20 years tops before it is all old tech, that is worse for the environment to produce, that the national grid soon will not be able to support, (petrol hybrids get worse mpg and use twice the sum of fuel as normal cars too, so essentially doubling the cO2 outputs stated) it makes no sense!

If someone has a way to recycle the cars (stop using carbon except for race cars) too as that becomes ocean fill (what else can you do with it?), then I’d be interested. People are being super short sighted, the next 3 years saving 40 quid in tax, for what?

Petrol cars produce some CO2, but that’s plant food, they need it to breathe?!!!!! Then they make us oxygen.

Tell me I’m wrong (sure the Tesla drivers will), but a car that was manufactured in the 70’s and is still being used MUST be more efficient overall than the manufacturing of 10 new cars and running them still? Plus you can crush the thing and the use it, which you cannot do with a li-ion battery.

Still, at least the government are ploughing millions of pounds into it too. We will likely have to go Nuclear power to keep up with all the really nice green people charging their cars overnight soon in order to keep up.

You can stick electric cars where the sun doesn’t shine.

cvega

309 posts

92 months

Wednesday 12th September
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wow. so much anger over there.
Non recyclable? inefficient?
I think you need to refresh your knowledge of EV cars bud.

Marwood79

178 posts

120 months

Wednesday 12th September
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Hard Miles - we're not going to get from A-Z in one hit are we?... If you don't permit the increments on the grounds of their 'imperfection' that kind of ruins progress... currebt tech is unsustainable - so what are you going to do?

Charybdis

51 posts

217 months

Wednesday 12th September
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What about packaging? Where do the battery packs go? I mean one of the good things about a tesla is the battery low down in the floor, resulting in great transport capacity and low center of gravity.

Colonel D

150 posts

5 months

Wednesday 12th September
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cvega said:
wow. so much anger over there.
Non recyclable? inefficient?
I think you need to refresh your knowledge of EV cars bud.
It's the equivalent of sticking fingers in your ears and saying "la la la lalaaaaa I'm not listening so it doesn't count" almost listening to as much noise as they complain about from EV

I've said before I'm not really interested in an EV but it will go that way, what we're seeing now is just the beginning, and it's pretty cool seeing how they're changing, becoming better bit by bit, and more manufacturers jumping on board we might see a few more cars like the Chinese Nio EP9
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cvega

309 posts

92 months

Wednesday 12th September
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this car is by no means a usable car for even the hardcore aston martin fans, but merely a statement.

all manufacturers have to get on with the program otherwise they will lose out.

and for raging dinosaurs that read daily mail, they'll be proven they're wrong soon, but even that won't change their little minds.

Motorsport3

224 posts

125 months

Wednesday 12th September
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To me this looks as wrong for AM, as if Tesla tomorrow embarked to produce a petrol engine car based on Tesla S. Basically an afterthought. I understand that they want to launch an IPO but would be much wiser to try to present a road map than try to modify the old Rapide and claim "they arrived".

Colonel D

150 posts

5 months

Wednesday 12th September
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Motorsport3 said:
To me this looks as wrong for AM, as if Tesla tomorrow embarked to produce a petrol engine car based on Tesla S. Basically an afterthought. I understand that they want to launch an IPO but would be much wiser to try to present a road map than try to modify the old Rapide and claim "they arrived".
so what do you think should happen? AM, or any of the other big names avoid EV altogether, watch as the petrol engines dry up and let them go bankrupt, just so we keep it right. Yeah that's great...

nicfaz

222 posts

163 months

Wednesday 12th September
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HardMiles said:
Rant Rant Rant Rant...

You can stick electric cars where the sun doesn’t shine.
I'll agree with one point - we will need nuclear. Nuclear is the most efficient way of producing electricity and will be required alongside renewables and storage technologies to decarbonise the economy. We will need nuclear transportation as well - shipping makes up a frightening proportion of worldwide carbon emissions and nuclear ships are proven in a warship context. But all of that is only if there's enough time to implement these things globally before runaway greenhouse effects kill billions and possibly endanger humanity's survival. Climate scientists are already panicking that we have pushed things to the point that massive adverse consequences are unavoidable, even before we get imbeciles like Trump hampering further progress.

I love petrol cars, but they are completely inappropriate for the majority of personal transportation needs (short journeys) and hugely damaging to the environment. We need to stop all forms of fossil fuel combustion - in power stations, in transportation, in homes, everywhere. And frankly, we needed to have done it yesterday. Tesla has done a great job in pushing forward the timescale for cars; other halo cars such as the Aston Martin in the article will help too, if only because of the aspirational effect. And the majority of people will be happier with a car that doesn't need to visit the petrol station, is ready and warm on a winter's morning, has far fewer complex parts and fewer repairs and has instant torque that make low speed driving a pleasure. Advances in battery technology will meet the demands of those with longer journeys, more quickly than you would think.

We will look back in twenty years at images of pedestrians stood in clouds of taxi and bus fumes on London streets and think we were mad. Hopefully a few of us will still have a petrol car salted away and a few gallons of rationed petrol to do trips and trackdays. Everyone else will be electric, whether you like it or not.

gigglebug

890 posts

55 months

Wednesday 12th September
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Motorsport3 said:
To me this looks as wrong for AM, as if Tesla tomorrow embarked to produce a petrol engine car based on Tesla S. Basically an afterthought. I understand that they want to launch an IPO but would be much wiser to try to present a road map than try to modify the old Rapide and claim "they arrived".
My first thought was to the use of the Rapide as it stands now as well. It makes sense for it to be the model chosen out of the AM range but it's getting on a bit now and must be due a significant update soon so why not coincide the inclusion of this variant with the launch of any overall improvements to get the full promotional benefit and to not date this particular model before it's had a real chance to have an impact on folks perception.

Why would it be a limited run model? 155 doesn't seem to be a massive figure, especially if it gets a positive reception.

Is that a massive battery pack in the engine bay? If so I wonder how much weight distribution has been transferred towards the front of the car?

Motorsport3

224 posts

125 months

Wednesday 12th September
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Colonel D said:
so what do you think should happen? AM, or any of the other big names avoid EV altogether, watch as the petrol engines dry up and let them go bankrupt, just so we keep it right. Yeah that's great...
Not at all, if you see successful cases e.g BMW i3 are designed bespoke for this reason. They could partner with someone like Mercedes (as they did previously with their engine platform) and split development costs.

To me this Rapide is a quick and dirty solution to put on the IPO prospectus. Put next to a Tesla S and doesn't look a superior electric car.

RacerMike

1,985 posts

144 months

Wednesday 12th September
quotequote all
HardMiles said:
Just been sick in my mouth.

Why oh why is every man and his dog believing that a car that is almost unrecyceable and will only have a lifespan of circa 20 years tops before it is all old tech, that is worse for the environment to produce, that the national grid soon will not be able to support, (petrol hybrids get worse mpg and use twice the sum of fuel as normal cars too, so essentially doubling the cO2 outputs stated) it makes no sense!

If someone has a way to recycle the cars (stop using carbon except for race cars) too as that becomes ocean fill (what else can you do with it?), then I’d be interested. People are being super short sighted, the next 3 years saving 40 quid in tax, for what?

Petrol cars produce some CO2, but that’s plant food, they need it to breathe?!!!!! Then they make us oxygen.

Tell me I’m wrong (sure the Tesla drivers will), but a car that was manufactured in the 70’s and is still being used MUST be more efficient overall than the manufacturing of 10 new cars and running them still? Plus you can crush the thing and the use it, which you cannot do with a li-ion battery.

Still, at least the government are ploughing millions of pounds into it too. We will likely have to go Nuclear power to keep up with all the really nice green people charging their cars overnight soon in order to keep up.

You can stick electric cars where the sun doesn’t shine.
Zatz a Bingo!

Well done. Every bit EV misinformation in one ranty post. And it was the first reply! Good effort. If you fancy changing your opinion, you might wish to start here at this easy to read guide:

https://auto.howstuffworks.com/myths-electic-cars-...

The Crack Fox

13,101 posts

125 months

Wednesday 12th September
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nicfaz said:
We will look back in twenty years ... everyone else will be electric
Funny, that. Fifty years ago people were saying much the same thing. Here's GE in 1970;



Chestrockwell

851 posts

90 months

Wednesday 12th September
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That looks like it’s going to be a heavy beast, what are they thinking putting the battery motor in the bonnet, I get the impression that this will be dangerous to hurl around the Nurburgring

Plug Life

848 posts

24 months

Wednesday 12th September
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HardMiles said:
Just been sick in my mouth.
Don't be, you must be proud. Congratulations for reiterating almost all Daily Mail-level bullst about EVs biggrin

cvega

309 posts

92 months

Wednesday 12th September
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motor? what motor. that's an inverter maybe with a cover on it. batteries will the bulk of weight, so interested to see how it's packaged.

NickCQ

1,517 posts

29 months

Wednesday 12th September
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HardMiles said:
Petrol cars produce some CO2, but that’s plant food, they need it to breathe?!!!!! Then they make us oxygen.
Classic.

donteatpeople

443 posts

207 months

Wednesday 12th September
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gigglebug said:
Motorsport3 said:
To me this looks as wrong for AM, as if Tesla tomorrow embarked to produce a petrol engine car based on Tesla S. Basically an afterthought. I understand that they want to launch an IPO but would be much wiser to try to present a road map than try to modify the old Rapide and claim "they arrived".
My first thought was to the use of the Rapide as it stands now as well. It makes sense for it to be the model chosen out of the AM range but it's getting on a bit now and must be due a significant update soon so why not coincide the inclusion of this variant with the launch of any overall improvements to get the full promotional benefit and to not date this particular model before it's had a real chance to have an impact on folks perception.

Why would it be a limited run model? 155 doesn't seem to be a massive figure, especially if it gets a positive reception.

Is that a massive battery pack in the engine bay? If so I wonder how much weight distribution has been transferred towards the front of the car?
It could be they're treating this low volume model as a prototype / market research tool to inform decisions they're making for the next model.

MOOSECORTINA

3 posts

12 months

Wednesday 12th September
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Just about to do a trip to Angouleme in France from Manchester in a 5 litre 1968 Ford Falcon. Dred to think how boring it would be in a milk float. if you could charge it up. Oh you cant at Portsmouth ferry terminal.

framerateuk

2,419 posts

117 months

Wednesday 12th September
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My only complaint about this is how the battery cover looks in the engine bay smile

I think I'd rather see through to the batteries with immaculately tied cables connecting them all. Something just seems off about having a huge black metal box.