RE: What is exhaust gas recirculation? PH Explains

RE: What is exhaust gas recirculation? PH Explains

Tuesday 18th September 2018

What is exhaust gas recirculation? PH Explains

How recycling waste gases back into the engine can help cut emissions



Exhaust gas recirculation is a technique used to reduce nitrogen oxide emissions in both petrol and diesel engines.

These 'EGR' systems are used in conjunction with other emissions control devices, such as catalytic converters, in order to help minimise harmful exhaust gases.

What does an exhaust gas recirculation system do?

The ambient air ingested by an engine during the intake stroke contains oxygen, which allows the fuel supplied to the combustion chamber to burn.

However, the air also contains a high proportion of nitrogen; some 21 per cent of the air consists of oxygen, while over 78 per cent is nitrogen. When this nitrogen is pressurised and heated during the combustion cycle, in the presence of excess oxygen, nitrogen oxides are formed. These, when exposed to sunlight in the atmosphere and other chemicals, can cause the formation of smog and acid rain.


To combat unwanted nitrogen oxide - NOx - emissions, exhaust gas recirculation systems are used. These systems of sensors, valves and pipes recycle a portion of the engine's exhaust gases back into the engine's intake.

This inert exhaust gas dilutes the fresh air being supplied through the intake system to the combustion chamber. This means that less of the cylinder's contents are suitable for combustion - which reduces the speed, temperature and pressures experienced during the combustion cycle, greatly lowering the amount of NOx created.

The exhaust gas present can also absorb some of the heat of combustion, lowering cylinder temperatures and pressures even more; this further helps cut NOx emissions.

Predictably, reducing the quantity of oxygen available to burn with fuel also potentially limits the power produced during that stroke. To avoid any unwanted power loss, EGR systems will subsequently only run at certain engine speeds and loads.

In a diesel engine, for example, EGR will typically only take place when the load is comparatively light and the crank speed is below 3,000rpm - with the aim being to ensure that just enough oxygen is present in the chamber to ensure complete combustion, nothing more.


What does an EGR system consist of?

The EGR valve, which directs exhaust gas back into the intake, is the key part of an EGR system. It is often pneumatically controlled by a standalone system that monitors engine vacuum and load in order to best regulate the operation of the valve. These valves can, however, be entirely electrical in operation.

In some cases, a cooler is fitted to lower the temperature of the exhaust gas before it is recirculated into the engine. This helps avoid dumping excessively hot gas into the combustion chamber which would otherwise increase the temperature, resulting in excess NOx production and potentially causing knocking.

A manufacturer, in turbocharged applications, may use 'high-pressure' or 'low-pressure' exhaust gas recirculation systems - or a combination of both. High-pressure systems, as the name suggests, draw and feed exhaust gas from and into high-pressure zones; waste gas is extracted from the exhaust manifold, upstream of the turbocharger, and recycled into the intake downstream of the intercooler.

In a low-pressure EGR system, exhaust gas is tapped off downstream of the turbocharger and fed into the intake tract before the turbocharger's inlet. There are advantages and disadvantages to both; low-pressure systems, for example, recirculate exhaust gas that has been through the emissions control systems. This means that particulate matter isn't being fed into the engine, which can contaminate the oil.

A low-pressure system can be slower to respond than a high-pressure system, though, due to the pipework involved - resulting in the production of unwanted NOx during engine load changes. This is why some manufacturers use both, allowing the overall EGR system to better cope with a wider range of conditions.


How beneficial is an exhaust gas recirculation system?

According to manufacturers, the use of EGR systems can cut diesel NOx emissions by upwards of 50 per cent - while petrol NOx emissions can be cut by over 40 per cent

There are also other benefits to EGR; in diesels, the recirculation of the exhaust gases helps cut particulate and hydrocarbon emissions while also fractionally reducing the volume of the exhaust. In petrol engines, on the other hand, EGR can also reduce carbon dioxide emissions.

As a result, EGR often forms a key part of an engine's emissions control hardware and helps manufacturers to meet increasingly stringent emissions regulations.

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Welshman Adam

Original Poster:

72 posts

212 months

Tuesday 18th September 2018
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Really enjoy these articles.

My question is this - why do some people block off the EGR valve? What's the benefit? It was a common mod on the Focus 1.8 TDCi I used to run, but never did it myself.

TooMany2cvs

29,008 posts

126 months

Tuesday 18th September 2018
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Welshman Adam said:
My question is this - why do some people block off the EGR valve? What's the benefit?
Because it clogs in short order, and causes the engine management to have a huff. So block/disconnect and remap to remove the whinge, all is happy. Well, apart from a minor emission downside...

What it doesn't mention is how long EGR's been about. I've had it on a 1990 Saab 900T16, and currently have it on a 1997 Citroen 1.9XUD turbo, and a 1980 2.25 petrol Land Rover. It's been disconnected or clagged solid on every single one before I bought 'em - despite the XUD and Landy both being ~40k from new - but they're all old enough not to whinge about it.

Edited by TooMany2cvs on Tuesday 18th September 12:17

ingrowtn

230 posts

253 months

Tuesday 18th September 2018
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I know exactly what it is - a monumental and expensive pain in the behind necessetating numerous stints back in the garage workshop to try and figure out excatly what bits of it are not working properly. Sadly the design of my engine is such that apparently it is not possible to blank off or disengage.

Having chaged the turbo (and associated pipework), turbo actuator, vacuum pipes, EGR valve and the MAF sensor (diagnosed from code readings) it still doesn't work.

I would also define excfhause gas recirculation as 'if fitted, walk away and buy a different car'.

Only my experience and no doubt others will never have had the issues I have had; but for me never, ever, again.

Turbobanana

6,266 posts

201 months

Tuesday 18th September 2018
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PH said:
...in diesels, the recirculation of the exhaust gases helps...
...create prodigious amounts of soot to be deposited when the DPF reaches a certain level, normally just after I turn left onto Childs Way, MK, on my way to work.

TooMany2cvs said:
I've had it on a 1990 Saab 900T16...
I have one of these, albeit a 1991. Is it standard fit? How do I know if I've got it? Would love to remove it if I have. Car is pre-1992, so doesn't need a cat smile

TooMany2cvs

29,008 posts

126 months

Tuesday 18th September 2018
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Turbobanana said:
TooMany2cvs said:
I've had it on a 1990 Saab 900T16...
I have one of these, albeit a 1991. Is it standard fit? How do I know if I've got it? Would love to remove it if I have. Car is pre-1992, so doesn't need a cat smile
Yep, standard. Look at the front of the engine, between bellhousing and distrib. Is there a pipe wrapped in a shiny metal spring, going from the exhaust manifold round to inlet, with a valve connected to one of the myriad of vac hoses? That's the EGR.

Removal just needs both ends bunging, and the now-spare vac blocking off at the plenum.

bungz

1,960 posts

120 months

Tuesday 18th September 2018
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Welshman Adam said:
Really enjoy these articles.

My question is this - why do some people block off the EGR valve? What's the benefit? It was a common mod on the Focus 1.8 TDCi I used to run, but never did it myself.
Common on that engine to blank it because its built into the manifold and you cannot get at it to clean it.

Gilhooligan

2,214 posts

144 months

Tuesday 18th September 2018
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Worth noting that EGR can be achieved with valve overlapping too.

Whilst EGR is better for emissions, it’s not exactly great for engine inlet manifolds/ valves etc. I’ve been looking at N54 engined BMWs recently as a next car but it’s disappointing to see that they need periodically walnut blasted to remove all the coking. Surely this isn’t progress?

Ninja59

3,691 posts

112 months

Tuesday 18th September 2018
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Gilhooligan said:
Worth noting that EGR can be achieved with valve overlapping too.

Whilst EGR is better for emissions, it’s not exactly great for engine inlet manifolds/ valves etc. I’ve been looking at N54 engined BMWs recently as a next car but it’s disappointing to see that they need periodically walnut blasted to remove all the coking. Surely this isn’t progress?
It depends how you define "progress", rightly or wrongly emissions have been "reduced" which can only help others (although I will be the first to admit all solutions have their downsides).

I think part of the problem is that there is a multitude of technical solutions across the board in various areas to combat emissions in specific areas.

The EGR really is only "part" of the the problem here in reality, in previous years when we had PFI it would clean the inlet manifold, with the increase of DI then clearly the result was going to be no fuel vapour cleaning it.


TooMany2cvs

29,008 posts

126 months

Tuesday 18th September 2018
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Ninja59 said:
rightly or wrongly emissions have been "reduced" which can only help others (although I will be the first to admit all solutions have their downsides).
You've got elements A+B+C going on to the engine as fuel, it's only ever going to come out as A, B and C - all you can do is change the combinations. As bad combo AB gets turned down, you get more BC instead.

martin12345

603 posts

89 months

Tuesday 18th September 2018
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TooMany2cvs said:
You've got elements A+B+C going on to the engine as fuel, it's only ever going to come out as A, B and C - all you can do is change the combinations. As bad combo AB gets turned down, you get more BC instead.
This is true but not complete true. EGR can improve fuel economy by up to 5% at some speeds and loads. Therefore you only have 95% of A+B+C going in so only 95% coming out as well. It is also true to say that some of the stuff coming out can be genuinely nastier than other stuff. So far no one has found any problem with H20 coming out of engines - pretty much everything else is nasty in some way or other. C02 is likely to be contributing to climate change but certainly is not a problem for local health. However, NOx, particlutes and various un-burnt and partially burnt fuel compounds are really not very good for humans in relatively high concentrations that can happen in local areas in cities

When new EGR definitely does make exhaust gases "less nasty" and reduces the amount of it a little - however it is also true it is incredibly difficult to make it work reliably for the life of a car without maintainance (which no OEM wants to specify). Ideally it should not be used for this reason but it is getting harder and harder to make legal vehicles without it

It has been around at least since the 70's and it is one of the "go to" technologies OEM's use to meet emission standards when they get tougher - then it gets removed as soon as they find another way to meet the standard as it is both relatively expensive and relatively unreliable, both of which are things that OEM's (and their customers) don't like. Like many, many things, EGR systems do not like short, cold journeys and that leads to them clogging up/valve sticking much quicker. Long journeys get the system nice and warm, both reducing new deposits and in some cases burning off/blowing out existing deposits

Disabling it is now an MOT failure (like deleting a DPF) so is not going to be an option going forwards

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838 posts

232 months

Tuesday 18th September 2018
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Fuel economy is also increased with EGR as it can reduce pumping losses.
At small throttle openings the engine is drawing in air through a relatively tiny gap which is difficult for the engine.
With EGR you feed back in spent exhaust gas in addition to fresh air and you can have a much wider throttle opening giving the same amount of power.

Granted though, most cause issues esp with direct injection engines not cleaning the intake tract.

TooMany2cvs

29,008 posts

126 months

Tuesday 18th September 2018
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martin12345 said:
EGR can improve fuel economy by up to 5% at some speeds and loads. Therefore you only have 95% of A+B+C going in so only 95% coming out as well.
Yes, "less going in" = "less coming out" is a bit of a basic truism.

martin12345 said:
It is also true to say that some of the stuff coming out can be genuinely nastier than other stuff.
And that's what the people whinging about the change of focus from CO2 to NOx fail to recognise.

martin12345 said:
C02 is likely to be contributing to climate change but certainly is not a problem for local health. However, NOx, particlutes and various un-burnt and partially burnt fuel compounds are really not very good for humans in relatively high concentrations that can happen in local areas in cities
<nods vehemently>

martin12345 said:
Disabling it is now an MOT failure (like deleting a DPF) so is not going to be an option going forwards
Depends on how it's disabled... Mr MOT's standard is for "components that are visible and identifiable" - "Emission control equipment fitted by the manufacturer: missing, obviously modified or obviously defective". A blanking plate behind the take-off, with a remap, is not going to fail that.

dmarkovina

639 posts

83 months

Tuesday 18th September 2018
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Never touched them on any of my stellar mileage BMWs and Saab - lpg driven.

Mound Dawg

1,915 posts

174 months

Wednesday 19th September 2018
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TooMany2cvs said:
What it doesn't mention is how long EGR's been about.
Yup, my 1974 Camaro had a primitive version operated by a vacuum pipe from the intake. A previous owner had disconnected and plugged it

Turbobanana

6,266 posts

201 months

Wednesday 19th September 2018
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TooMany2cvs said:
Turbobanana said:
TooMany2cvs said:
I've had it on a 1990 Saab 900T16...
I have one of these, albeit a 1991. Is it standard fit? How do I know if I've got it? Would love to remove it if I have. Car is pre-1992, so doesn't need a cat smile
Yep, standard. Look at the front of the engine, between bellhousing and distrib. Is there a pipe wrapped in a shiny metal spring, going from the exhaust manifold round to inlet, with a valve connected to one of the myriad of vac hoses? That's the EGR.

Removal just needs both ends bunging, and the now-spare vac blocking off at the plenum.
Thanks 2CVs - never knew that. I'll take a look at the weekend! beer

martin12345

603 posts

89 months

Wednesday 19th September 2018
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TooMany2cvs said:
Depends on how it's disabled... Mr MOT's standard is for "components that are visible and identifiable" - "Emission control equipment fitted by the manufacturer: missing, obviously modified or obviously defective". A blanking plate behind the take-off, with a remap, is not going to fail that.
This is "OK" (as in you may pass the MOT, although certainly you shouldn't) as long as the engine diagnostic light is not on due to the EMS diagnostic detecting a failure. So the "re-map" will need to include disabling the diagnostic. My understanding is that any car presented for MOT with the diagnostic light on (or the light disabled) is an automatic fail

This may indeed get you through an MOT because it is not "obviously modified" - however it will make you car more polluting (moral matter) and it may be illegal if you were ever caught (although I have to say I don't know what the offence is and the chances of being caught are indeed tiny if the blanking plate is well hidden)

TooMany2cvs

29,008 posts

126 months

Wednesday 19th September 2018
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martin12345 said:
My understanding is that any car presented for MOT with the diagnostic light on (or the light disabled) is an automatic fail
Any car post 2003 petrol, 2008 diesel. Before then, the EML isn't testable. If it has one. Which not all EGR-equipped vehicles do...