RE: Mercedes-AMG Project One on test in Bedfordshire

RE: Mercedes-AMG Project One on test in Bedfordshire

Thursday 27th September 2018

Mercedes-AMG One name confirmed for hypercar

AMG's UK-built 1100hp hypercar will arrive next year



UPDATE - 27.09.18

Mercedes-AMG has confirmed that its upcoming Formula 1-engined hypercar, the one that’s so far been referred to as Project One, will be called the, erm, One. Hashtag anticlimax.

The German firm says One is the perfect name to illustrate the ambition of bringing “Formula 1 hybrid technology to the road”. Fair enough. Feel familiar? McLaren said something similar when it confirmed the name of the P1.

Mercedes has also confirmed that the AMG One, which was recently ‘spied’ testing at Millbrook (see below) by a photographer that may or may not have been hired by the brand, will feature a two-stage extendable rear wing as part of its active aerodynamic armoury.

The car, which uses a road-developed version of the F1 W06’s turbocharged V6 engine, will utilise a hybrid system more powerful than those in F1 to produce an anticipated 1100hp.

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ORIGINAL STORY - 20.08.18


Mercedes-AMG’s UK development team for the Project One has started testing its new baby out in the wild – well, the Millbrook Proving Ground in Bedfordshire – with the intention of readying the £2 million hypercar for customer deliveries in 2019. New images show a camouflaged mule being driven at Millbrook, which, although not out in public, feature surfaces and street furniture that simulate real-world conditions.

No doubt a major focus for engineers in these low-speed conditions will be the reliability and usability of the car’s extremely complicated powertrain. You’ll already know this but as a gentle memory rejig this powerplant combines the Mercedes F1 W06 turbocharged 1.6-litre V6 engine with a hybrid system offering more torque than the one in Lewis Hamilton’s F1 car. Combined output could total 1100hp, a healthy 150hp more than Lew’s racer.

The Project One will have to manage its highly strung heart in scenarios it was never originally designed for (like stop-start traffic) without the assistance of a team of laptop-wielding engineers. That’s easier said than done given the normal requirement for an F1 powertrain to be maintained on life support throughout a race weekend. That won’t be possible for a Project One being driven to the Abu Dhabi Mall in 40-degree heat.


The tests at Millbrook are part of a second phase of road testing, however, with a mule reportedly having first trodden tarmac earlier this year in Brixworth, Northamptonshire, where the car is being developed by AMG’s F1 boffins at its High Performance Powertrains centre. The F1 links extend further than the powerplant, of course, with the car’s carbon fibre monocoque also benefitting from the firm’s single-seater knowledge.

Beneath that slender bod will be adjustable coil-over suspension with push-rod spring struts, with stopping handled by carbon ceramic brakes. Like the Mercedes-AMG GT R, the Project One will get adjustable traction control with three modes, ranging from ‘maximum nanny’ to ‘you’re on your own, mate’.

Word is that once the car is ready for the road, AMG will set about getting the car ready for a new Nurburgring lap record attempt. Which is something to look forward to...




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Discussion

Paddy78

Original Poster:

208 posts

147 months

Thursday 20th September 2018
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Really looking forward to seeing this as it is developed further. It really makes you wonder how much further you can push road cars. Is it just me, or does anyone else see Lotus Exige from the front and rear shots? getmecoat

Maldini35

2,913 posts

189 months

Thursday 20th September 2018
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Paddy78 said:
Is it just me, or does anyone else see Lotus Exige from the front and rear shots? getmecoat
No I see it too




K2iss

110 posts

236 months

Thursday 20th September 2018
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Paddy78 said:
Really looking forward to seeing this as it is developed further. It really makes you wonder how much further you can push road cars. Is it just me, or does anyone else see Lotus Exige from the front and rear shots? getmecoat
Lotus Exige with formula 1 engine, what not to like!

E65Ross

35,118 posts

213 months

Thursday 20th September 2018
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Looking forward to seeing how good these are. Why the camo when it's already been unveiled?

C7 JFW

1,205 posts

220 months

Thursday 20th September 2018
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That looks like a Noble + A Lotus. Very interested to see how this drives on normal roads.

Ring times are lovely for pub talk, but how this drives across a regular road would be vastly more interesting.

Krikkit

26,550 posts

182 months

Thursday 20th September 2018
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Obviously as an outsider you'd need to pretty much buy Mercedes HPP, but I'd love to sit down with the F1 and P:1 engines next to each other and find out how much they've revised. I'd guess everything.

RacerMike

4,213 posts

212 months

Thursday 20th September 2018
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E65Ross said:
Looking forward to seeing how good these are. Why the camo when it's already been unveiled?
Standard practice to hide rapid prototyped body panels and ill fitting components.

WCZ

10,544 posts

195 months

Thursday 20th September 2018
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very excited about this and the valk, the 2 most amazing cars for a long time!

Never you mind

1,507 posts

113 months

Thursday 20th September 2018
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Just seems insane to have a detuned F1 engine (well not really as this has more power but you know what I mean) in a road car looking the way it does. Couldn't imagine walking into to my local merc dealer and ordering one which gets me wondering what the procedure was for buying one.

andburg

7,297 posts

170 months

Thursday 20th September 2018
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what amazes me most here is the engine

F1 derived.....1000+bhp then electric on top

According to Auto und motor sport the F1 teams engines are nowhere near this even in qualifying modes

Ferrari - 790bhp
Merc - 780bhp
Renault spec C- 730bhp
Honda - 715bhp

https://www.auto-motor-und-sport.de/formel-1/f1-mo... (translation needed)


what is being done to make that extra power?
F1 is fuel flow restricted so adding fuel and revs is the obvious answer. Given this car should be a road car, no preheating required and capable of more miles the losses must be higher.

One hell of a power unit

redroadster

1,752 posts

233 months

Thursday 20th September 2018
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At 2 million pounds or do it's not on my list of buys but looks an eyeful

Twoshoe

856 posts

185 months

Thursday 20th September 2018
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Wot - no comment yet about it spending its life pootling around Knightsbridge?

LaurasOtherHalf

21,429 posts

197 months

Thursday 20th September 2018
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The car I’m most looking forward to.

Krikkit

26,550 posts

182 months

Thursday 20th September 2018
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andburg said:
what amazes me most here is the engine

F1 derived.....1000+bhp then electric on top

According to Auto und motor sport the F1 teams engines are nowhere near this even in qualifying modes

Ferrari - 790bhp
Merc - 780bhp
Renault spec C- 730bhp
Honda - 715bhp

https://www.auto-motor-und-sport.de/formel-1/f1-mo... (translation needed)


what is being done to make that extra power?
F1 is fuel flow restricted so adding fuel and revs is the obvious answer. Given this car should be a road car, no preheating required and capable of more miles the losses must be higher.

One hell of a power unit
MGU-K is currently limited to 160hp, the combustion engine produces up to 700hp in quali mode (using f1.com as a source).

Take out the fuel flow limit, allow complete engineering freedom, introduce a bigger battery, bigger motor etc etc it's an easy way to give it a really good slug more power.

TooMany2cvs

29,008 posts

127 months

Thursday 20th September 2018
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Twoshoe said:
Wot - no comment yet about it spending its life pootling around Knightsbridge?
The article itself said:
That won’t be possible for a Project One being driven to the Abu Dhabi Mall in 40-degree heat.

RacerMike

4,213 posts

212 months

Thursday 20th September 2018
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andburg said:
what amazes me most here is the engine

F1 derived.....1000+bhp then electric on top

According to Auto und motor sport the F1 teams engines are nowhere near this even in qualifying modes

Ferrari - 790bhp
Merc - 780bhp
Renault spec C- 730bhp
Honda - 715bhp

https://www.auto-motor-und-sport.de/formel-1/f1-mo... (translation needed)


what is being done to make that extra power?
F1 is fuel flow restricted so adding fuel and revs is the obvious answer. Given this car should be a road car, no preheating required and capable of more miles the losses must be higher.

One hell of a power unit
I think those figures are the engine only, without the ERS and KERS. This article ( https://maxf1.net/en/how-much-power-f1-engines-hav...) seems to suggest the following:

MANUFACTURER TOTAL POWER (V6+ERS) ONLY V6 GAP
Mercedes M08 949 HP 786 HP
Ferrari 062 934 HP 771 HP 15 HP
Renault R.E.17 907 HP 744 HP 42 HP
Honda RA617H 881 HP 718 HP 68 HP


So without fuel or KERS restrictions, 1000 plus would be easily conceivable for the Merc engine.

NJ72

183 posts

99 months

Thursday 20th September 2018
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Whilst I will never be able to afford something like this, I actually find it very interesting - the concept of taking a race engine and designing it for use on the road (albeit it's not likely to be doing 200,000 miles over the next decade) is a fascinating one.

to do it properly would demonstrate 100% why motorsport is a great development platform for road going technology.

OK, we're not all about to be pootling around in 1000hp monsters in a few years time, but the technology that makes an engine that powerful, also translates to making a smaller, lower powered unit more efficient, cleaner etc.

TheConverted

2,229 posts

155 months

Thursday 20th September 2018
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I get the concern about the reliability of the drive train. but your average project one owner will do less miles in a year than an F1 car does in race weekend.

TooMany2cvs

29,008 posts

127 months

Thursday 20th September 2018
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TheConverted said:
I get the concern about the reliability of the drive train. but your average project one owner will do less miles in a year than an F1 car does in race weekend.
You reckon an F1 car would work well if somebody just casually wanders over and presses the button, after it's been parked up since Silverstone 2017...?

thegreenhell

15,441 posts

220 months

Thursday 20th September 2018
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Do we really think this engine actually shares a single component with the F1 engine? It will be 100% new, designed for use in the road car, and simply share some key design features and characteristics with the F1 engine. If it really was a detuned F1 engine then Renault, Honda and Ferrari would be getting hold of them to strip down and analyse the design.