RE: Lanzante to offer F1-engined Porsche 911s

RE: Lanzante to offer F1-engined Porsche 911s

Wednesday 10th October

Lanzante to offer F1-engined Porsche 911s

Cosworth is working on the TAG-Porsche turbo engines, which were originally used in McLaren's racers



You know how nobody ever said the 930 Porsche 911 Turbo was lacking in boost? Well, Lanzante is now building a 930 with possibly the boostiest engine ever produced: an F1 turbo motor from the mid-80s. Because it turns out that the 1.5 V6 TAG-Porsche engine PH saw in Cosworth’s engine room a couple of weeks ago is in fact headed to one of 11 customer 930s, each set to trade their original flat-sixes for the former McLaren single-seater motor, which – to remind our adolescent readers – hails from an era when cars could produce over 1,000hp in qualifying trim. These particular ones were used by Alain Prost and Niki Lauda.

Of course, the road-going F1-engined 930 model, which has been confirmed for production by Lanzante, will be detuned for reliability. But even a 750-800hp expected output sounds mental. Let us not forget that the original 930 Turbo was a handful in its factory-spec 330hp form. Ramp the boost up to F1 levels (can you believe they reportedly had more than five bar of boost before restrictions were implemented?) and you might think the original car’s tendency for snap oversteer would be multiplied tenfold. Mad.


But we’re very glad it’s happening. And that Lanzante is handling the project. If there’s a firm expert enough to make the most bonkers iteration of F1 engine work in an already bonkers road car, it’s Petersfield-based Lanzante. This company’s recent work includes the P1 LM, a road-going version of McLaren’s track-only P1 GTR. But it’s world renowned status comes from years of motorsport success, including that famous win at the 24 Hours of Le Mans with the original McLaren F1 GTR. So it knows how to make cars that drive and handle properly.

A demonstration of what’s to come was shown at the recent Rennsport Reunion at Laguna Seca, where the first F1-engined 930 displayed how Lanzante packaged the 1.5-litre V6 unit and its extensive cooling hardware under the whale tail spoiler-wearing engine cover. But no further details were released. More info is due out soon, however, so watch this space…


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sidesauce

Original Poster:

864 posts

154 months

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Now that's what I call a real Widowmaker...

Muzzer79

2,504 posts

123 months

Wednesday 10th October
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Now that is cool.

cool

Nanook

33,307 posts

123 months

Wednesday 10th October
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"Sweet car mister, what size is the engine?"

"1.5L"

laugh

ukaskew

4,425 posts

157 months

Wednesday 10th October
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How many of those engines are knocking around that they can just acquire 11 of them to install in 911s?!

Plate spinner

12,881 posts

136 months

Wednesday 10th October
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Wow!
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scottygib553

26 posts

31 months

Wednesday 10th October
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I can't wait to hear what these will sound like (prior to the sound of screeching tires and sound of metal hitting wall)

ReaperCushions

3,399 posts

120 months

Wednesday 10th October
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ukaskew said:
How many of those engines are knocking around that they can just acquire 11 of them to install in 911s?!
At least 11 I think, just a guess.

PAUL500

1,494 posts

182 months

Wednesday 10th October
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Ron Dennis had one of these built in period, at a guess he or Mansour still owns the stockpile of old engines and one of them is behind this venture as a way of re using them.

The initial show car is probably that original one.

Mezzanine

4,677 posts

155 months

Wednesday 10th October
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ukaskew said:
How many of those engines are knocking around that they can just acquire 11 of them to install in 911s?!
It is a long told urban myth that there were loads of these engines moth-balled in a warehouse somewhere. I think Ron Dennis had one installed in a 911 years ago.

Sure they were a cheap bulk buy for Lanzante smile

Gameface

5,912 posts

13 months

Wednesday 10th October
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10k rev counter...

redroadster

795 posts

168 months

Wednesday 10th October
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Old engine in an old car what can go possibly wrong ?

bloomen

1,855 posts

95 months

Wednesday 10th October
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I approve of the increasingly bonkers quest for 'special' restomods. I presume next will be something with Nigel Mansell's real moustache on the top of steering wheel staring back at you.

KrazyIvan

3,897 posts

111 months

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redroadster said:
Old engine in an old car what can go possibly wrong ?
Funny enough I was just thinking what an old Porsches needs is a lighter engine with more power and revshehe

RM

222 posts

33 months

Wednesday 10th October
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Coolest rev counter ever.

big_rob_sydney

2,167 posts

130 months

Wednesday 10th October
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If they can add some modern traction control, then I'm guessing the result will be spectacular.

Really looking forward to seeing how this goes, but to be honest, given the low production volumes (vapourware at this precise moment), I don't really give this much more than a passing glance of curiosity.

It would be good if these somehow made it into real production volumes though, and weren't subject to the vagaries of OPC pricing / mates rates.

bloomen

1,855 posts

95 months

Wednesday 10th October
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big_rob_sydney said:
If they can add some modern traction control, then I'm guessing the result will be spectacular.

Really looking forward to seeing how this goes, but to be honest, given the low production volumes (vapourware at this precise moment), I don't really give this much more than a passing glance of curiosity.

It would be good if these somehow made it into real production volumes though, and weren't subject to the vagaries of OPC pricing / mates rates.
They're using original engines from the 1980s. Once they're gone, they're gone. That's the most arousing detail.

roland82

216 posts

151 months

Wednesday 10th October
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Now I'm sure Lanzante know a thing or two more than me about cars but is this really sensible? How drivable can they make it? Will it end up being driven only at 5 tenths?

I love the craziness of it though.

JMF894

2,667 posts

91 months

Wednesday 10th October
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When I was 16 I had a ride in a 930 turbo. In the rain. I remember fish tailing up the road at 80+.

This will be the ultimate handful.

Bonkers!

CedricN

364 posts

81 months

Wednesday 10th October
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There are so much more sensible choisies to get the same hp for a fraction of the money.hence Im glad they to these madness builds, even though they sadly won't be driven much at all. I really do wonder where they found so many engines, and how parts supply will be for the customers smile

ralphrj

2,729 posts

127 months

Wednesday 10th October
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Mezzanine said:
It is a long told urban myth that there were loads of these engines moth-balled in a warehouse somewhere. I think Ron Dennis had one installed in a 911 years ago.


The TAG engined 911 is part of the collection of heritage assets owned by the F1 team and has been displayed before at the MTC.


I wonder if this explains the odd entry in the most recent accounts of McLaren Racing Limited (the F1 team).

Note 21 to the accounts on related party transactions discloses that in 2017 McLaren purchased £1,251,000 of goods or services from Cosworth Limited.

There is no explanation of why Cosworth was considered a related party but as no McLaren Group company owns a stake in Cosworth I can only assume that either one of the shareholders of McLaren owns some of Cosworth or there is a common Director.