RE: Hardcore Lexus RC-F GT due next year

RE: Hardcore Lexus RC-F GT due next year

Wednesday 31st October 2018

Hardcore Lexus RC-F GT due next year

Hands up who likes the sound of track-focused naturally aspirated V8 coupe?



Lexus is putting the finishing touches to a harder and more focused version of its RC-F coupe which looks set to arrive on roads next year. Caught here on camera during testing, the rear-wing-wielding V8 model, set to be named the RC-F GT, will straddle the gap between the regular car and the racing version, making it an indirect rival to the BMW M4 CS and similarly focused alternatives.

Lexus's RC-F GT has been a long time coming because the idea was first teased with a concept way back in 2016 at the Goodwood Festival of Speed. That one-off remains our best glimpse of what's to come; it was 360kg lighter than the standard car and retained the same naturally aspirated 5.0-litre V8 engine to send 477hp to the rear wheels through a tweaked eight-speed automatic gearbox.


No performance statistics were offered, but such a drastic weight loss in the 1765kg production model would surely shave at least half a second from the RC-F's already prompt 4.5-second 0-62mph time. The focus, though, is likely to be on maximising its dynamic performance. To ensure this, much of GT concept's adjustable suspension and geometry setup was taken from the racing model. Our spy pictures suggest the finished model will also receive new bodywork, including that rear wing, to suit.

Arriving as the new top model in a facelifted range, the RC-F GT and siblings are expected to be the last naturally-aspirated V8s to survive in this segment. All its rivals have reverted to forced induction, and it's likely that the model's successor will have to make use of some sort of efficiency boosting tech in order to keep up. This should, at least, make the instantaneous throttle response of the RC-F GT even more rewarding.




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Love JDM

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156 months

Wednesday 31st October 2018
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Such a lovely car - cannot wait to pick up a used prefacelift version.
I hope the prices will go down once this new facelift comes out.

Hopefully this version will be a bit less bloated and more lightweight - it'll be a much better car than the M4 with less weight and more power.




redroadster

1,738 posts

232 months

Wednesday 31st October 2018
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Great alternative to BMW and Audi coupes that alone is enough .

bluesierra

146 posts

96 months

Wednesday 31st October 2018
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A 360kg weight loss would be impressive, but would still leave it around 1400kgs - lighter than an M4, but still not exactly lightweight. And given the RCF is an auto, it'll be interesting to see how 'hardcore' they actually make it. Will it just end up as the car the RCF should originally have been in order to compete with M4/ M6, C63 etc?

Guvernator

13,156 posts

165 months

Wednesday 31st October 2018
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If they can really drop that much weight, 1400kgs is very impressive for a modern saloon, nothing else gets close does it? The M2 and M4 are both over 1600kgs, even the Alfa Giulia is over 1500kgs.

Better yet it has an N\A V8 and it will have the good old Lexus reliability plus decent customer service. If they made this in a manual, this could actually be the perfect performance saloon.

GranCab

2,902 posts

146 months

Wednesday 31st October 2018
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'cept it's a Coupe ...

hondansx

4,569 posts

225 months

Wednesday 31st October 2018
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bluesierra said:
A 360kg weight loss would be impressive, but would still leave it around 1400kgs - lighter than an M4, but still not exactly lightweight. And given the RCF is an auto, it'll be interesting to see how 'hardcore' they actually make it. Will it just end up as the car the RCF should originally have been in order to compete with M4/ M6, C63 etc?
I'd say 1400kg would be amazing given an M2 weighs 1600kg!

A cooking E46 coupe was over 1400kg. I think you may have unrealistic expectations.

Gameface

16,565 posts

77 months

Wednesday 31st October 2018
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Apply the same to the LC500 next please.

Love JDM

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Gameface said:
Apply the same to the LC500 next please.
There's an LCF due out next year - that will be a turbo V8 apparently.

Would be nice if they offered a lightweight LC500 though - possibly it will happen.

kambites

67,567 posts

221 months

Wednesday 31st October 2018
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hondansx said:
I'd say 1400kg would be amazing given an M2 weighs 1600kg!
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yes 1400kg would make it about the same weight as an Evora or Boxster and ~100kg lighter than a basic 911 Carrera. That'd be damned impressive for a big saloon-derived coupe with a V8 and an 8-speed automatic gearbox!

theplayingmantis

3,770 posts

82 months

Wednesday 31st October 2018
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i thought the RC was widely panned by the motoring press, well Harris and Clarkson...

i quite like the looks of them personally though

Love JDM

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theplayingmantis said:
i thought the RC was widely panned by the motoring press, well Harris and Clarkson...

i quite like the looks of them personally though
Yeah, they said 'its too heavy'.

Lexus obviously have listened.

Just like they listened when Jeremy asked for a smaller cheaper LFA - they developed the LC500.

theplayingmantis

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82 months

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Love JDM said:
theplayingmantis said:
i thought the RC was widely panned by the motoring press, well Harris and Clarkson...

i quite like the looks of them personally though
Yeah, they said 'its too heavy'.

Lexus obviously have listened.

Just like they listened when Jeremy asked for a smaller cheaper LFA - they developed the LC500.
Ah ok...helps if I read article properly!

As soon as they bring out a nice blue in the LC I’m getting one whatever man maths it takes! The previous limited was a lovely shade but long ago sold out. Current limited is crap yellow but they haven’t rotated a lighter blue back into the ‘normal’ palette yet.

Sadly an LC F would be unjustifiable for me!

Mintbird

559 posts

101 months

Wednesday 31st October 2018
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jesus people hoping for 360 kg shed weight....lucky to hit 100 kg! wake up its 2018

Olivera

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239 months

Wednesday 31st October 2018
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Mintbird said:
jesus people hoping for 360 kg shed weight....lucky to hit 100 kg! wake up its 2018
Yup absolutely no chance of a 360kg drop in weight, even 100kg sounds optimistic.

gigglebug

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122 months

Wednesday 31st October 2018
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Are there any detailed details as to how the concept lost so much weight? If there is I'm sure some of the more knowledgeable folks on here would have a rough idea as to which aspects of the concept would be likely to transfer over to the production version.

I can't imagine that the level of loss achieved by the concept could be replicated without either losing items that would be deemed necessary for a production version or implementing techniques and materials that would overstep the limits of what would be permissable to keep it affordable. Unless they don't mind it being non profitable as the LFA was?

How much did the M3 GTS lose, around 75Kg?

Edited by gigglebug on Wednesday 31st October 19:55

DamnKraut

458 posts

99 months

Wednesday 31st October 2018
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Olivera said:
Mintbird said:
jesus people hoping for 360 kg shed weight....lucky to hit 100 kg! wake up its 2018
Yup absolutely no chance of a 360kg drop in weight, even 100kg sounds optimistic.
+1

If they shed that amount of weight how weight inefficient would the original design then have been? It’s a big car, so wouldn’t expect any figure below 1600kg.

TeaVR

1,226 posts

227 months

Wednesday 31st October 2018
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In many respects, the motoring press don't have an easy job. Assessment of vehicles within confined time restraints - a tough task.

Chris Harris makes me laugh. JC makes me laugh. They both disliked the RC-F, but loved the GS-F. I've driven GS-Fs and own an RC-F. If you like the one you like the other. You'd be hard pushed to separate the differences from behind the wheel.

Biggest issue with the RC-F was Lexus' mis-marketing. The RC-F was not meant for the track - it's more of a GT car. In the the hands of the average driver it's a much easier car to drive than an M4. Much more forgiving and less spiky.

Helicopter123

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156 months

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hondansx said:
bluesierra said:
A 360kg weight loss would be impressive, but would still leave it around 1400kgs - lighter than an M4, but still not exactly lightweight. And given the RCF is an auto, it'll be interesting to see how 'hardcore' they actually make it. Will it just end up as the car the RCF should originally have been in order to compete with M4/ M6, C63 etc?
I'd say 1400kg would be amazing given an M2 weighs 1600kg!

A cooking E46 coupe was over 1400kg. I think you may have unrealistic expectations.
That would be an amazing low weight for a car in this class.

MrwReckless

123 posts

119 months

Wednesday 31st October 2018
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gigglebug said:
Are there any detailed details as to how the concept lost so much weight? If there is I'm sure some of the more knowledgeable folks on here would have a rough idea as to which aspects of the concept would be likely to transfer over to the production version.

I can't imagine that the level of loss achieved by the concept could be replicated without either losing items that would be deemed necessary for a production version or implementing techniques and materials that would overstep the limits of what would be permissable to keep it affordable. Unless they don't mind it being non profitable as the LFA was?

How much did the M3 GTS lose, around 75Kg?

Edited by gigglebug on Wednesday 31st October 19:55
I have a bit of a soft spot for the underdog or car that stands out, and I think Lexus have dared to be different with the RC-F both in styling (arguably traditionally Japanese) and contemporary powertrain (big NA V8 with an auto).

That being said, I think the weight loss for the concept (or whatever) was because it was basically a racecar, so, as you rightfully say, I really doubt a GT production version would be anywhere near the 300 kg weight loss. Just look at what other manufacturers achieve with carbon this and that at a price tag that is difficult to swallow (looking at you M3/4 CS) there is IMO no way Lexus could hope to achieve something similar.

I think the RC-F would be lucky to loose 75kgs without an exponential price increase. But here's to hoping Lexus can market this better to suit the Gt moniker and get some weight off, a minor facelift inside and out and give the outgoing NA V8 a nice final hoorah!

Regards

jjr1

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260 months

Wednesday 31st October 2018
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My daily car is an M4 Competition pack and if Lexus could even make a car similar to the above I would swap in a heartbeat.

The one thing that lets down the BMW is the terrible noise of the engine and although I love the pop, pop of the exhaust, even I admit it is all a little childish. I had the old Lexus ISF and that car not only was bullet proof it sounded like a proper sporty car.

If the car above ever existed at a competitive price I will buy one new!