RE: Audi to rival Tesla with 590hp e-tron GT

RE: Audi to rival Tesla with 590hp e-tron GT

Wednesday 28th November

Audi to rival Tesla with 590hp e-tron GT

250-mile range concept is already said to be very close to forthcoming production reality



Remember the Audi R8 e-tron from Iron Man 3? Oh, how futuristic that seemed in 2013, with proper sports car performance and design, previewing an electric future with boundless torque and silent speed.

Well, it turns out Audi recalls the film very well, and the future is actually about 18 months away. That's because, not only will this e-tron GT make production in 2020 (and be way faster than that R8), but its maker also saw fit to use Robert Downey Jr to reveal the car in Downtown LA, a handful of miles from Hollywood. Make no mistake: the e-tron GT, indeed the whole e-tron programme, is a very, very big deal for Audi.

So what is it? Well, officially it's a "highly dynamic coupe with a low floor", boasting technology developed with Porsche plus design and character "packed full of unmistakable Audi DNA." It's 4.96m long, 1.96m wide and 1.38m tall, with a 2.9m wheelbase. That makes it a tiny bit shorter, 5cm wider and a little lower than an A7. From what can be surmised, it seems like the Porsche-developed technology will be in the platform and powertrain - both Taycan and e-tron GT are going to use the Premium Platform Electric architecture, with the Audi boasting 590hp from its twin electric motor setup, just 10hp behind the Porsche.


Audi reckons the e-tron GT will be capable of 0-62mph in 3.5 seconds, 0-124 in just over 12 and a limited top speed of 149mph. Iron Man's R8 from just five years ago apparently boasted 4.8 seconds to 62mph and 124mph flat out. Range for this car is over 250 miles by WLTP, and the 90kWh battery can be charged wirelessly or plugged in. Thanks to the car's 800-volt system, the latter can provide 200 miles of range in 20 minutes with the right charging infrastructure.

Range is also boosted (by up to 30 per cent, it's suggested) through recuperation, involving both the two electric motors and the electrohydraulically integrated brake system - meaning there's manual coasting recuperation, automatic coasting recuperation and brake recuperation. Only when a braking force of more than 0.3g is required (apparently only 10 per cent of all decelerations) are the ceramic rotors employed, the rest being taken care of by the electric motors. Interestingly it's claimed the e-tron GT's centre of gravity is lower than that of an R8, thanks to the flat design of the batteries.


With Audi keen at the (nearly) Hollywood reveal to stress how close this car is to production, it's understandable that the e-tron GT is perhaps not as dramatic as recent concepts like the PB18. Audi points to the model's sloping roofline, a cabin that tapers towards the rear and wheel arches that are "sculpted emphatically" around 22-inch wheels. The colour, in case you were wondering, is 'kinetic dust' - no joke. It's designed to be "practical without being 'technoid' standoffish" - whatever that mean. Anyway, it's a handsome show car in the flesh, albeit one that could probably be in production already - whether that says more about Audi's current design language or the slightly conservative styling of this concept, we wouldn't like to say.

Inside, the e-tron GT boasts a vegan interior, with synthetic leathers and materials used throughout. As you'd expect it's a lavish cabin, both in the pics and real life, minimalist yet luxurious as well. Furthermore, while it can't be seen here, there's 550 litres of carrying capacity - 100 litres at the front, 450 in the rear.

So there it is, your kinetic dust look at the future. Best get used to it, too: in addition to the e-tron SUV shown in September, the e-tron GT will eventually be joined by an e-tron Sportback as well - indeed Audi says there will be 12 all electric models by 2025, covering "every relevant market segment". This e-tron GT will reach volume production in 2020 - developed by Audi Sport, no less - and first deliveries are expected early in 2021. Wonder what Iron Man will be driving by then.











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RacerMike

Original Poster:

2,070 posts

147 months

Wednesday 28th November
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Hmm. Looks like a lightly reskinned Taycan. That roofline is pretty unmistakeably Porsche esque, but given it’s such an easy diversification, I can see why they’ve done it...

Chr1sch

2,465 posts

129 months

Wednesday 28th November
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Fair do’s i think that looks fantastic!

RobDickinson

24,207 posts

190 months

Wednesday 28th November
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The new Audi 'totally not a Porsche'.

Good to see though (and not surprising) it looks pretty decent, wonder how it will be priced compared to the porker.


Jimbo.

3,438 posts

125 months

Wednesday 28th November
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Goodnight Tesla...

velocgee

399 posts

82 months

Wednesday 28th November
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Damn, that looks good.
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Paddy_N_Murphy

22,955 posts

120 months

Wednesday 28th November
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Jimbo. said:
Goodnight Tesla...
Because Audi have the Supercharger network and support of owners too ?

RobDickinson

24,207 posts

190 months

Wednesday 28th November
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Paddy_N_Murphy said:
Jimbo. said:
Goodnight Tesla...
Because Audi have the Supercharger network and support of owners too ?
And a gigafactory hiding somewhere...

FerrousOxide

78 posts

81 months

Wednesday 28th November
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Looks lovely to me.

I've got to say, though, that hexagonal steering wheel looks like the next-gen version of a certain 'quartic' design (which everyone knows was so well received...)

Piginapoke

629 posts

121 months

Wednesday 28th November
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RobDickinson said:
Paddy_N_Murphy said:
Jimbo. said:
Goodnight Tesla...
Because Audi have the Supercharger network and support of owners too ?
And a gigafactory hiding somewhere...
If you are a Tesla shareholder, sell.

RobDickinson

24,207 posts

190 months

Wednesday 28th November
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  • These will sell, and sell well, they'll sell all they can make of them I'm sure.
Porsche was talking about tooling up for 20,000 a year, I'm not sure these will count in that total?

By 2020/21 there should be a good high power CCS network in Europe, I'm unconvinced there will be one by then in USA.

But this is really only catching up to the 2012 model S, it will be better dynamically and charge faster than a 2012 model S, but I expect the model S to be seriously refreshed by this time with 20-50% more battery etc. And Tesla sell 50-55,000 model S a year.

0a

20,301 posts

130 months

Wednesday 28th November
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Looks tiny in the back

abzmike

662 posts

42 months

Wednesday 28th November
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Somewhere underneath that lot is a good looking car trying to get out.

RobDickinson

24,207 posts

190 months

Wednesday 28th November
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0a said:
Looks tiny in the back
Guess that is the sexy sporty sloped roof line you cant have the rear seats any further back.

sidesauce

861 posts

154 months

Wednesday 28th November
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abzmike said:
Somewhere underneath that lot is a good looking car trying to get out.
Nah, nothing's trying to get out from underneath anything. That's a great design from Audi, far more interesting than most of their current offerings. Very good looking indeed.

RobDickinson

24,207 posts

190 months

Wednesday 28th November
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The front with the huge 'grill' looks too chunky and fat but the rest is ok, it just screams I'm a Porsche though.

ghost83

2,613 posts

126 months

Wednesday 28th November
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I like it BUT it will cost an absolute fortune I’m guessing

RobDickinson

24,207 posts

190 months

Wednesday 28th November
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ghost83 said:
I like it BUT it will cost an absolute fortune I’m guessing
Taycan supposedly priced Cayenne and Panamera, or up to $230,000 USD.

I assume this will be cheaper but still £100k up?

964Cup

616 posts

173 months

Wednesday 28th November
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250 mile range. What use is that? I wonder when they'll stop chasing "ludicrous" acceleration numbers and start giving us usable ranges. To come close to replacing our ICE car, we need a 400 mile range with no more than 30 mins refuelling time at the outside. Otherwise a routine 11 hour journey will become some kind of "dog walking on its hind legs" marathon odyssey.

There's a US SUV with a 180kwh battery coming. That makes much more sense to me, but the charging infrastructure to cope with it is years away.

Paddy_N_Murphy

22,955 posts

120 months

Wednesday 28th November
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964Cup said:
250 mile range. What use is that? I wonder when they'll stop chasing "ludicrous" acceleration numbers and start giving us usable ranges. To come close to replacing our ICE car, we need a 400 mile range with no more than 30 mins refuelling time at the outside. Otherwise a routine 11 hour journey will become some kind of "dog walking on its hind legs" marathon odyssey.

There's a US SUV with a 180kwh battery coming. That makes much more sense to me, but the charging infrastructure to cope with it is years away.
You make routine 11 hour journeys ?

RobDickinson

24,207 posts

190 months

Wednesday 28th November
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964Cup said:
250 mile range. What use is that? I wonder when they'll stop chasing "ludicrous" acceleration numbers and start giving us usable ranges. .
Power comes from having big batteries. its not an either or.

This will have the same 800v charging as the taycan and will charge pretty damned quickly. Probably to 80% in under half an hour.

They could double the battery size but you will have to pay for that and carry the extra weight and size for every single trip.