RE: New 911 (992) GT3 caught testing

RE: New 911 (992) GT3 caught testing

Wednesday 3rd July 2019

992 Porsche 911 GT3 sports new aero | Update

A development car breakdown gives our snappers closer looks at a race-inspired spoiler and diffuser



Update: 03.07.2019

The next Porsche 911 GT3 looks set for a big boost in lateral performance thanks to the use of some extreme aerodynamic pieces, which have been photographed up close thanks to a development car breakdown at the Nurburgring. The partially-taped-up 992 is sporting a swan neck wing with enormous endplates, which sits above a rear diffuser featuring six prominent slats, split only by a pair of exhaust tailpipes.

You don’t need a degree in fluid dynamics to know this setup points to a big boost in downforce; the fact it looks properly racy is probably enough. But those who like the details will understand that placing the wing’s mounting points on top means there’s less drag on the underside – unlocking more downforce. Could the swan neck also enable active aero? There’s certainly enough cladding over it…


While that rear diffuser is considerably smaller than the item used by Porsche’s RSR Le Mans car, it’s quite a bit more substantial than the setup used on the 991 GT3. Coupled with the winglets located on the car’s floor – we know they’re there thanks to the sticker warning marshals of them (and probably their fragility) – this should give Porsche’s first GT-spec 992 a substantial aerodynamic advantage over the regular Carrera models. And they’ve already proven themselves very effective at hunkering down around corners.

This aerodynamic edge is vital, of course, because the GT3 has lost the advantage of a wider track width and, since it’s set to retain natural aspiration in an updated version of Stuttgart’s glorious 4.0-litre, the boosted regular cars will be closer still. Naturally, we’re expecting a small bump in power from the 4.0 flat-six, although not too much, as it already jumped to 510hp at 8,400rpm in the Speedster with a 250bar fuel pressure system, new injectors and individual throttle valves. It’s not exactly a unit that’s lacking in emotion, either.

But this is the Porsche GT department and time and time again its engineers have delivered more when we thought progress was nigh on impossible. So while we’ve still a good year to wait before the 992 GT3 arrives, consider us very, very excited.




Original story: 21.02.2019


There aren't many cars that get a chat going on PistonHeads quite like a 911 GT3. Whether it's the trouble with getting hold of one, the secondhand market or - should anyone dare - how utterly fabulous they are to drive, the conversation is never brief.

With engine fires, an automatic-only phase and the reappearance of a Touring model, the 991 provided plenty to talk about. Still kinda does, in fact, with the Speedster on the way. But that's all made to seem like yesterday's news with the emergence of these new 992 spy shots. Photographed testing in the Arctic Circle just this week, the next GT3 is expected as a 2020 model - which makes sense when you think about it, as the 991 GT3 arrived in 2013, or two years after the base Carrera.


With that arrival not all that far off in the grand scheme of things, there are a few clearly recognisable GT3 traits in this development mule. Note the twin central exhaust pipes, rear arches seemingly wider even than the already broad Carrera, a dramatic fixed rear spoiler and vented bonnet. The yellow calipers on this car would imply ceramic brakes, although the discs look like iron - those of greater knowledge, feel free to contribute now.

Given a hybrid 992 is not expected until at least the mid-life facelift, it would a surprise verging on shock to discover any petrol-electric tech on the GT3. As so much was invested in the 4.0-litre flat-six for the 991 facelift, it would seem logical for that engine to continue here. Furthermore, with the uptake of both the manual gearbox and Touring package higher than expected, we'd bet on those appearing in the GT3 range again. Given the 9,000rpm 991 first made its debut at Geneva in 2013, we'd bet on a debut in the same place next year. Plenty more to follow before then...




[Images: S. Baldauf/S.B. Medien]

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MIP1983

Original Poster:

196 posts

160 months

Thursday 21st February 2019
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I'm assuming that massively boxy arse is camouflage for something that doesn't look crap. (right?)

Krikkit

18,699 posts

136 months

Thursday 21st February 2019
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MIP1983 said:
I'm assuming that massively boxy arse is camouflage for something that doesn't look crap. (right?)
I suspect the rear bumper, front bumper and bonnet aren't finished yet, the rest I'd say looks production.

The wing is interesting - they've gone full motorsport style with a swan-neck mount.

hondansx

3,898 posts

180 months

Thursday 21st February 2019
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So. Many. Variants.

It's getting a bit tedious for me. I read somewhere that they made more 991.1 GT3s than all other GT3s before it added together. No idea if that's true, but if you look at the amount of GT cars available in the classifieds they're hardly rare.

Before the 991 GT3 came out, a paint to sample car was a true rarity, but now common on GT3s, GT4s and... well, any new Porsche.

The remarkable thing is I see the the 991.1 GT3 I sold a few years back is probably worth exactly the same now (if the mileage didn't increase, of course). Quite rightly, a rarer 997.2 GT3 appears to be worth more though - they're certainly priced that way anyway.

Will be interesting to see the demand for the new one. I personally think we'll see a decline in the amount of bitter posts from people unable to get slots, as I imagine those jumping on the GT3 bandwagon for depreciation-free motoring will be wondering when the bubble is going to burst.

s2000db

876 posts

108 months

Thursday 21st February 2019
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That wing is hideous... lol

DaveTheRave87

1,648 posts

44 months

Thursday 21st February 2019
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Love that wing cloud9

tuffer

8,633 posts

222 months

Thursday 21st February 2019
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That wing is hideous, I love it.

MX6

4,334 posts

168 months

Thursday 21st February 2019
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Although cleanly not the finished production ready product, it does look great in the black/black and dirty like that, I'm into the used and abused look. I also love a big silly wing, something of a guilty pleasure...

WCZ

7,657 posts

149 months

Thursday 21st February 2019
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hondansx said:
Will be interesting to see the demand for the new one. I personally think we'll see a decline in the amount of bitter posts from people unable to get slots, as I imagine those jumping on the GT3 bandwagon for depreciation-free motoring will be wondering when the bubble is going to burst.
should be fairly easy to get this new gt3 imo

Andy83n

101 posts

17 months

Thursday 21st February 2019
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Fairly easy to get one...£££ apart i suppose

big_rob_sydney

2,548 posts

149 months

Thursday 21st February 2019
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Yawn. Another model coming next week.

red997

1,273 posts

164 months

Thursday 21st February 2019
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I wouldn't call a 7 year run for the 991 GT3 exactly short....

From my experience, the GTs are nothing like the carreras to drive

redroadster

1,103 posts

187 months

Thursday 21st February 2019
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I'd have this over any competitor if only I could fit in seats too tight or no shoulder Room in them .

Gus265

202 posts

88 months

Thursday 21st February 2019
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Looks great to me. But can't get hold of one etc.

However, I have noticed that the bubble has burst a bit on the 991 GT3. Second hand 991.1 GT3s are around the £100k bracket and 991.1 GT3 RS starting about £150k. This is massively less than a year or so ago. 991.2 versions are still holding value.

I have heard there is some engine issue on the 991.1 GT3 though which might explain the drop. Is it only that version of car affected? I would have one in a shot but not if the engine is going to blow!

cmoose

48,123 posts

184 months

Thursday 21st February 2019
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hondansx said:
I read somewhere that they made more 991.1 GT3s than all other GT3s before it added together. No idea if that's true, but if you look at the amount of GT cars available in the classifieds they're hardly rare.
Last I looked, it was all 991.1 GT cars (ie not just the vanilla GT3) is more than all previous GT cars combined. Meanwhile, they've cranked out a whole load of 991.2 models...

An awful lot of low and no-mile 991 GT cars sitting in sheds / storage facilities, that's for sure.

Nerdherder

1,674 posts

52 months

Thursday 21st February 2019
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tuffer said:
That wing is hideous, I love it.
Best of both opinions. Agreed though.

P.s. ‘Arctic Testing’ <> ‘Spy Shots’. LOL

goforitman

11 posts

175 months

Thursday 21st February 2019
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Do not matter how good they are you cannot have one is my experiance

cmoose

48,123 posts

184 months

Thursday 21st February 2019
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Nerdherder said:
tuffer said:
That wing is hideous, I love it.
Best of both opinions. Agreed though.

P.s. ‘Arctic Testing’ <> ‘Spy Shots’. LOL
Pretty sure the wing has some boxy bits fitted over the supports to obscure what I think will be a more elegant final design...

isaldiri

7,020 posts

123 months

Thursday 21st February 2019
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goforitman said:
Do not matter how good they are you cannot have one is my experiance
well not really. it's just awfully hard to buy them at list here in the UK. not that difficult to get in europe or paying maybe £20-30k over list once the initial froth has died off....

Julian Thompson

1,501 posts

193 months

Thursday 21st February 2019
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I reckon:

New one comes out. It’ll be expensive. Britain won’t be in the best shape. Fair few people won’t have the minerals and they won’t be that hard to get as quite a few of the dealers usual calls will be “not for me this time”...

The car will be really good but another step less raw than the one they replaced with another layer of computerisation in there over and above what we had.

Prices will go much softer, many GT cars will reduce in value and actually get used a lot.

Later, as more and more assistance and electric power is added even the current crop of cars will he seen as last of the analogue cars (that term being open to interpretation) and the longer term future of all the GT cars will be safe with values of quality examples climbing again probably in about 10 years.

Obviously it’s a who knows but I know I really love my GT3 and I’ll do whatever I can to hang on to it. Interestingly I also don’t suffer from “must have the new one” disease with the car and I’m quite happy if my 2015 car is actually my last 911. Which, actually, is a nice place to be with it.

DPSFleet

192 posts

116 months

Thursday 21st February 2019
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Is it me or our all porsche models starting to look the same? GT cars are z bit irrelevant when new. I never manged to secure an order. Always had to buy secondhand. So on that basis I might take an interest in another 2 years time. I much prefer the smaller earlier cars too. My 89 911 is sooo tiny.