RE: Fiat Barchetta: Spotted

RE: Fiat Barchetta: Spotted

Sunday 21st April 2019

Fiat Barchetta: Spotted

Only the Italians could make a front-driven, left-hand drive drop-top this appealing...



The success of the ND has been fantastic for Mazda, but it's not the only MX-5 to be experiencing high demand at the moment. Values of the original pop-up headlight car have long been creeping up, and now prices of the softer-looking Mk2 are reflecting the desire for back-to-basics drop-tops of the MX-5 variety, too. With the Mk3 modern enough to provide practical usability in an affordable package, you've got a whole lineage of models now facing the effects of the same trend. A bit like a cut-price 911.

The same cannot really be said of the Fiat Barchetta. The 124 Spider is, admittedly, not linked to the Barchetta because it's linked to the old 124 Spider, obviously. But you might have expected the arrival of a new soft-top Fiat to trigger some impulse purchases of the marque's last one. Thing is, we all know what made the Barchetta such an unattractive proposition to sun-seeking sports car drivers. Front-wheel drive being one reason. Left-hand drive being the other.


Sales of the Barchetta in Britain were therefore low. In 2001, six years after its launch, there were only 1,400 Barchettas registered in Britain (according to HowManyLeft). Sure, the MX-5 had a big head start, but its near 40k UK examples in the same year tell the story fairly well. Mazda's sports car was a roaring success and, while its Punto underpinnings and lack of a RHD variant made it an unsurprising outcome, Fiat's Barchetta was, in Britain, not.

That's not to say it wasn't a fun machine to own. The original Punto was actually a pretty good car for its day, so the Barchetta's base gave it eager handling that worked well with Fiat's revvy engines. The naturally aspirated 1.7-litre was Fiat's first with variable valve timing and, with a peak of 130hp arriving at 6,300rpm, gave the one-tonne roadster the pace to hit 62mph in 8.9 seconds. Alright, so the driven axle was at the wrong end, but aside from its inability to embrace a clutch kick or two, the car felt as sprightly as you'd like.


It also looked the part, with much more style than the cuddlier Mk2 MX-5 and its rarity - which would have only served to enhance the appeal. You might think those traits alone would serve the Barchetta well in these times of resurging demand for simple, enjoyable cars that boast a certain old-school charm, but the car's left-hooker status has arguably prevented any noticeable increase in secondhand demand. Still, rarity is such that prices have not sunk to as deep a rock bottom as the equivalent Mazdas.

Today's 21-year-old Spotted has just 14,861 miles on the clock - well, technically it reads 23,916km - and looks to be in very good condition indeed, with a new soft-top recently fitted. Furthermore, having lived its life in Japan until 2017, metal bits said to be completely free of the orange stuff. It's on sale for £5,795, so is priced accordingly - that's as expensive as Barchettas get. But as far as we can tell, you're looking at one of the finest examples of Fiat's almost-forgotten drop-tops available in Britain. We dare you not to fall for its Italian charms.


SPECIFICATION - FIAT BARCHETTA

Engine: 1,747cc, four-cyl
Transmission: 5-speed manual, front-wheel drive
Power (hp): 130@6,300rpm
Torque (lb ft): 121@4,300rpm
MPG: 33.6
CO2: N/A
First registered: 2017 (imported from Japan)
Recorded mileage: 14,861
Price new: N/A
Price now: £5,795

See the original advert here.

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Nerdherder

Original Poster:

1,773 posts

97 months

Sunday 21st April 2019
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Really like these and one of the best steel wheel designs ever on this example.

lotuslover69

269 posts

143 months

Sunday 21st April 2019
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Always liked the looks, wonder how one would compare to the Lotus Elan M100

heisthegaffer

3,382 posts

198 months

Sunday 21st April 2019
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I think that's pretty good value for a beautiful little car from an ear which was probably Fiat's best.... The coupe, bravo/a, Punto and of course this. All really good cars.

ballans

790 posts

105 months

Sunday 21st April 2019
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If the mileage and condition check out I would say that is an absolute bargain. Probably getting quite tricky to find one in good shape as the body panels are made from very thin metal and very sensitive to rust and distortion. A mate leant on mine and bent it!
Mechanically they’re pretty robust but have the usual Italian flakey electrics. A well placed blow to the dashboard would usually fix mine though.
I had one in the same colour, spec and age as this one and I loved it. Despite the FWD the Punto chassis is a great starting point Plus the low weight and a fizzy high revving engine make it a fantastic drive.
Personal preference but I’d take one over an MX5 every time. Mrs B has an MX5 2.5 so I’ve experienced and driven both extensively.
The only thing I would watch out for on this one is the Variator. As the mileage is so low there is a good chance it hasn’t failed yet. Easy to tell if it has as it will sound like a diesel at idle. Fiat replaced them under a recall but that was 20 years ago so no idea how easy it would be to find a replacement now.

C.A.R.

3,967 posts

188 months

Sunday 21st April 2019
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I just can't see why someone would part with money for one of these when the MX5 exists. It doesn't have a redeeming feature over it!

My mate had a Punto of this era and it was woefully unreliable too, HGF, busted radiator, electric problems. Have people conveniently forgotten that? I would be worried about a car based on a Punto even if it was rwd!

Baldchap

7,578 posts

92 months

Sunday 21st April 2019
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I always liked the little boat but never drove one. Often wondered how these compare to the Cappuccino, which seemed more like its competitor than the MX-5.

Pooh

3,692 posts

253 months

Sunday 21st April 2019
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C.A.R. said:
I just can't see why someone would part with money for one of these when the MX5 exists. It doesn't have a redeeming feature over it!
I have owned one and I test drove an MX5 before buying the Barchetta.
The Barchetta was more fun more of the time, it had a far better engine,was faster, better looking and felt much more responsive than the comparatively inert MX5, which seemed bland in comparison.
The MX5 I drove was a mk2, 1.8, 6 speed.
My car was totally reliable.


Edited by Pooh on Sunday 21st April 10:55

cramorra

1,665 posts

235 months

Sunday 21st April 2019
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Wanted one as a youngster so much couldn’t afford...
There was a rumored run out edition with the great sounding 5 cyl. From the coupe....
So much want...

ballans

790 posts

105 months

Sunday 21st April 2019
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C.A.R. said:
I just can't see why someone would part with money for one of these when the MX5 exists. It doesn't have a redeeming feature over it!

My mate had a Punto of this era and it was woefully unreliable too, HGF, busted radiator, electric problems. Have people conveniently forgotten that? I would be worried about a car based on a Punto even if it was rwd!
If RHD and RWD are a priority then you’re probably right and the MX5 is the smart choice especially at the extreme end of driving . But as POOH said the Barchetta is more fun more of the time. I also found the engine in the Barchetta much better and far more interesting when revved out.
Roomy interior and good (but marmite) styling eventually swung it for me.

I haven’t had one for 15 years but at the time I found mine to be very reliable. This was mostly the case from the owner community as well so fared much better than your average fiat.



carinaman

21,274 posts

172 months

Sunday 21st April 2019
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I'm relieved the red one with the 2 litre Twin Spark conversion by Autolusso has disappeared from eBay. I think it had had the RHD conversion on it too.

BricktopST205

895 posts

134 months

Sunday 21st April 2019
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0-60 in 8.9 seconds and 130BHP. Honestly have no idea why you would have one of these over an MK2 MX5 sport let alone an MK3 MR2. I would more than likely entertain an MGF Trophy above one as well.

Hell though it is Italian and has flair though right? There is a reason these sold in such few numbers.

samoht

5,689 posts

146 months

Sunday 21st April 2019
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Baldchap said:
I always liked the little boat but never drove one. Often wondered how these compare to the Cappuccino, which seemed more like its competitor than the MX-5.
Cappuccino is smaller, being limited to the Japanese kei class length and width limits - narrow cabin and very flat sides to maximise space. 660cc turbo triple driving the rear wheels.

If anything, the Daihatsu Copen, being FF and being sold here with a larger NA engine, would seem slightly more comparable with the Barchetta.

Pooh

3,692 posts

253 months

Sunday 21st April 2019
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BricktopST205 said:
0-60 in 8.9 seconds and 130BHP. Honestly have no idea why you would have one of these over an MK2 MX5 sport.
That is the car I test drove before buying the Barchetta, as I said above the Barchetta was more fun more of the time and had a vastly better engine.
The 0 to 60 for the MX5 you mention is 8.6 seconds, so hardly a big difference but the Barchetta seemed faster on the road.
Maybe if you had driven both cars you would have a better understanding of why some people prefer the Barchetta despite the limitations of it being left hand drive, if Fiat had made a RHD version it would have sold vastly better.

soad

32,877 posts

176 months

Sunday 21st April 2019
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Would rather go for a Fiat Coupe, in a Turbo guise. After all, there's no such thing as too much power. wink

JustinF

6,795 posts

203 months

Sunday 21st April 2019
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If only they'd given it the 5 pot 2.0

Pooh

3,692 posts

253 months

Sunday 21st April 2019
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JustinF said:
If only they'd given it the 5 pot 2.0
That would have been interesting but I do wonder if the extra weight in the nose would have upset the handling.

BVB

1,100 posts

153 months

Sunday 21st April 2019
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Aged very well. I'd take the Barchetta over an MX5 of the era.

gforceg

3,524 posts

179 months

Sunday 21st April 2019
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Is LHD really that much of a problem for people? Especially in a car which should be driven with the top down all the time (wouldn't most people have one as a second car these days?). Is insurance particularly steep on LHD cars here?

I'd certainly consider one but maybe not at the top of the market.

Pooh

3,692 posts

253 months

Sunday 21st April 2019
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gforceg said:
Is LHD really that much of a problem for people? Especially in a car which should be driven with the top down all the time (wouldn't most people have one as a second car these days?). Is insurance particularly steep on LHD cars here?

I'd certainly consider one but maybe not at the top of the market.
I didn’t find LHD a problem most of the time but it was a pain trying to overtake large vehicles like buses and lorries on country roads.
Insurance on the Barchetta is quite steep but that is partly because the bodywork is expensive to repair properly, the bodywork was hand built and there are not many separate panels. For example, both front wings and the area in front of the bonnet are made in a single piece from individual panels joined together with no panel gaps.

SloppyClock

144 posts

96 months

Sunday 21st April 2019
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Slightly biased as I own one, but I've found the B to be the better pick of the bunch. A very characterful engine, and I think because of its wheel base length and positioning of seats quite far back from the front tyres means it being FWD doesn't seem to matter. It's still very agile and tbh is bloody good fun when pushing it just for the fact that you're being pulled along rather than pushed.

The interior is a much more enjoyable place to be than the mx5, F or MR2 it competes against in my opinion.

Insurance is cheap - £140 per year and being LHD is a challenge at times, namely when overtaking lorries or slow moving traffic, but if anything you just need to plan the overtake more which doesn't bother me.