RE: Skoda Superb Estate meets Jaguar XF Sportbrake

RE: Skoda Superb Estate meets Jaguar XF Sportbrake

Saturday 27th April 2019

Skoda Superb Estate meets Jaguar XF Sportbrake

You want a large, fast, all-wheel-drive wagon? So do we. But which one...



Skoda Superb Sportline Plus

Despite the Sportline Plus representing the very upper echelon of the Superb range, its duty in this test is to prove that less really is more. We've previous with the flagship Superb - 12 months of blissful vicarious ownership, no less - and at no point was there ever any need or desire for more performance, comfort, ability or space. Alright, apart from when the roof rack had to go on. Point being that the Superb substantially overdelivered on quite considerable promise - it's job here is to prove that even more emphatically against a more expensive, more prestigious adversary.

Seriously, though, what value can really be placed on a badge of greater heritage (and a gearbox of another ratio) when the Superb is so comprehensively capable? Drive it for a day, drive it for a week, drive it for year if you so wish, and conjure up something, anything, that it could realistically do better as a brand-new, sub-£40k, 155mph and totally enormous estate car. Because we're still searching. It's a shorter, narrower car than the deceptively ginormous Jag, a car that's moored as much as parked, yet has more space, plus it's cheaper and less powerful yet faster. Nic will bring up something fanciful about image and allure, no doubt, but there's precious little that's tangible for the XF to counter with.


Despite having lost a few hp to the withering effects of a petrol particulate filter - many thanks WLTP - the ubiquitous EA888 2.0-litre turbo endows the Superb with more than a fair turn of pace. Not simply in this comparison - where the weight advantage is in the hundreds, rather than the dozens of kilos, even with someone lighter than Nic driving - but also against costlier foes. A new Audi S6, with its fancy-schmancy diesel engine, will do 0-62mph in five point something seconds and 155mph. For, presumably, quite a lot of cash. No prizes for guessing what the Superb is capable of, and for the price of a 190hp, S Line Ultra A4 diesel.

Don't assume, either, that your swiftly scurried passengers must sacrifice anything in terms of space. If four adults require more room than this to travel, best book them on a cruise. The Superb is vast, a cavernous larder (not Lada) on four wheels that you can just keep throwing stuff in. Again, like the speed with which it will travel, there are simply very few eventualities, surely, in which more will need to be transported than the Superb can handle. Alright, so just the five seats will rule it out as a load-hauler for some, though fortunately that's exactly the same chair count as the Jaguar.


A flaw? There's an impression of money being spent to get the Jaguar up to dynamic snuff that slightly eludes the Skoda - but at no point is the Superb anything less than pleasant to steer or undone by the road surface. And you only need look at the biggest sellers in Jaguar's segment - where it consistently delivers some of the best-driving vehicles - to see how much value the buying public places on ride and handling. The Superb is better than good, making it easily more than enough for any prospective buyer.

That unpretentious yet consummate aura extends to Skoda's driving environment. There are no great surprises or delights, but everything you'd want done well, from smartphone integration to driving position, is without fault. Far better that than an attempt at an interior of great grandeur that the reality can't live up to - right Nic?. In fact, when all is said and done, this is perhaps the Superb Sportline's greatest draw - it's extremely hard to pick issue with, and actually very easy to lavish praise on as a result. That you don't really notice all that it's capable of until it's no longer there shows how easily and effectively it slips into whatever role is required of it, from motorway express to tip run wagon. Expectations are surpassed, assumptions confounded and a point realised - there's no need, and as importantly no desire, for anything much more than this Skoda as do-it-all estate. Whatever Nic thinks.
MB


SPECIFICATION - SKODA SUPERB SPORTLINE PLUS ESTATE
Engine:
1,984cc, 4-cyl turbocharged
Transmission: 7-speed dual-clutch, all-wheel drive
Power (hp): 272@5,600rpm
Torque (lb ft): 258@1,700rpm
0-62mph: 5.6sec
Top speed: 155mph
Weight: 1,651kg (EU, with driver)
MPG: 39.8 (NEDC)
CO2: 162g/km (NEDC
Price: £38,045


Jaguar XF Sportbrake R-Sport 300

Is there a more compelling rags to riches story in the last thirty years than Skoda? The Czech manufacturer spent much of the nineties dragging itself from the doldrums common to a formerly state-run carmaker. Lest we forget, at the time its output was a running joke west of the dismantled Berlin Wall, and about as desirable as an annual subscription to the Daily Worker. Now? Well, now we can park its best and most expensive non-SUV next to a Jaguar and credibly ponder which is working harder for its respective share of your hard-earned money.

That is concrete testimony not only to the power of Volkswagen cash, but also its prudent investment in Mladá Boleslav. Any visitor to Skoda's sprawling, storied factory (once the largest in Europe) or its similarly massive facility at Kvasiny will tell you that its Czech workforce defer to no-one - Germans included - in the physical business of building cars. This is why the current Superb feels like it has been nailed together so well: because the men and women doing the nailing really do give a sh*t.


By playing the long game and by being commonsensical and diligent, Skoda's reputation turned a corner long ago - and did it so acutely well that casting aspersions on its badge is a non-starter; not after a decade of it turning granite-like in the minds of right-thinking people everywhere. Nevertheless, when all is said and done, attention to detail and value for money only get you so far in the car selling game (just ask Kia and Hyundai). The latest Superb wagon is an ideal carrier of the modern Skoda gene, no question: upstanding, dependable, practical and very easy to live with. But a genuine XF Sportbrake-beater? No. No way.

Remember what Jaguar was doing in those Favorit years? Winning Le Mans and then building the XJ220, that's what. Then it took Ford's money and, among other things, dashed it against a fabulous looking rock called the XK8. Then, even as it was being ushered out of the door like a stray dog, it managed to conceive and develop and bring to market the original XF. Which was immediately and obviously brilliant. And now, 12 years later, it's even better.

The salient details of the latest Sportbrake 300 R-Sport will probably be familiar: it's an XF estate with the 300hp 2.0-litre Ingenium engine from the F-Type, mated to the eight-speed ZF auto 'box and Jaguar's rear-bias all-wheel drive system. Is it quicker than the Superb? No. The XF is, as Matt cruelly points out, substantially heavier and feels it everywhere. But then the Jaguar is not a puffed up, elongated hatchback; its architecture is bespoke and primarily built to beat out the best executive saloon cars in the world. To do this it has a proper, grown-up chassis: double wishbones to the front with Jaguar's integral-link to the rear, backed by air springs in the Sportbrake. The difference? Night and day. Where the Skoda does a passable job of being a large family car come good, the XF is exceptional even by the standards of the class above.


Its oily synchronisation of vertical control, weight distribution and roll rate won't matter to everyone, sure. But it'll matter to you. Because Jaguar, for better or worse, shrink wraps everything else around its superlative driving experience; it knows no other way. So while you could argue the Superb is better laid out, easier to use, a little roomier and also more practical - its steering is a downed phone line compared to the XF's; its steel suspension a composure fumbler when things get even halfway fast or bumpy or both; and its engine, while admittedly quieter and somehow smoother with a DSG transmission, is still just a turbocharged four-pot with a large estate body to haul around.

If only it were possible to still spec the most expensive Sportbrake with a V6, the gap between the two would be undeniable. It is the lowly cylinder count which inhibits the quickest XF, much more so than it does the quickest Superb. The lesser talent of the latter makes 272hp seem just about right; the more sophisticated chassis of the XF feels like it could gleefully absorb the 600hp gifted to the Project 8. Lowering emissions though, is an external factor and unavoidable; the wonderful thing about the XF's dynamic aptitude is the extent to which it is internally driven by a firm which remembers winning Le Mans and building the XJ220 and still holds both events - and many more like it - dear to its heart. Jaguar would probably make more sales volume hay from a class-leading infotainment system, yet much of its effort is still focused on making on making 'luxury' mean lovely to drive. It's hard to put a dollar value on that kind of approach. Except in this case, where it's £10,595. And worth every penny.
NC


SPECIFICATION - JAGUAR XF SPORTBRAKE R-SPORT 300
Engine:
1,997cc, 4-cyl turbocharged
Transmission: 8-speed auto, all-wheel drive
Power (hp): 300@5,500rpm
Torque (lb ft): 295@1,500rpm
0-62mph: 6.0sec
Top speed: 155mph
Weight: 1,763kg (EU, with driver)
MPG: 31.0 (WLTP)
CO2: 175g/km (NEDC
Price: £48,640













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akadk

Original Poster:

1,499 posts

179 months

Saturday 27th April 2019
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The V6 twin turbo diesel XF S makes much more sense with 300PS/700Nm


Helicopter123

8,831 posts

156 months

Saturday 27th April 2019
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Both good cars but suspect most will want to be in a SUV at this price point when buying new meaning not many of these will ever see the road in the UK...

Hairymonster

1,428 posts

105 months

Saturday 27th April 2019
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I recently had a lift in an XF saloon - 2.0 diesel. I was looking forward to it as I'd never been in one before. I found it disappointing - low rent cabin, awful entertainment/satnav system, not much legroom front or rear - less than my Octavia, let alone the Superb.

I'd have the Superb every day over the Jag. I'd even have my Octavia over the Jag!

British Beef

2,213 posts

165 months

Saturday 27th April 2019
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Superb is ok if price starts with a 2.

At its current price point you are getting a big car but nothing special to look at or drive.

Jaguar would get my vote at this price point every day of the week. Earlier cars interior were a bit low class for price, but certainly better now.

Zumbruk

7,848 posts

260 months

Saturday 27th April 2019
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I *so* wanted an XFR-S Sportbrake, but they're like rocking horse poo (the last time I looked there was *one* on Auto Trader and it was a 700 mile round trip to go and look at it). What a pity this Jag has to make do with a 4 cylinder engine, no matter its power output. Oh, well. Can't have everything. Where would you keep it?

GetCarter

29,380 posts

279 months

Saturday 27th April 2019
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Needed a bigger car for a large dog and SUVs were not cutting it. Still needed 4x4 considering where I live. Drove Audi 6, BM 5, and Jag. No contest. Especially with a HUGE discount from JLR.

Can live with a 4 pot as the nearest fuel is a 40 mile round trip!

I highly recommend a test drive if you're in the market, the chassis is really, really good.



(OK it's not an R600... but my dog won't fit in one wink )

Water Fairy

5,504 posts

155 months

Saturday 27th April 2019
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As a lightly used buy under 30K I think the Superb would represent a fantastic buy personally. Couldn't stomach 38k on a new one personally. New I think the Skoda is expensive and makes the Jag look good value tbh.

Here:

https://www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/201...

MrGTI6

3,160 posts

130 months

Saturday 27th April 2019
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Water Fairy said:
I think the Skoda is expensive and makes the Jag look good value tbh.
Agreed, you'd think there would be a much larger difference between the two in terms of price. The Jag would be well worth the extra.

CDP

7,459 posts

254 months

Saturday 27th April 2019
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British Beef said:
Superb is ok if price starts with a 2.
This.

Don't bother with the high spec, lower range cars will be perfectly comfortable and all that money will be lost as soon as you trade in.

I'd pick the lower spec Jag over the top spec Skoda every day.

Trim is all very well but a good chassis is worth the extra.

I've just gone from a Mazda 6 to an A4 and while the Audi build, finish and interior are greatly superior the Mazda was a far better drive; chassis, steering and gear change in particular.

Actually even if it were a Skoda Superb with price beginning with a 2 I'd be more tempted by the Hiroshima built car, even if it's not as well made...



legless

1,692 posts

140 months

Saturday 27th April 2019
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Pistonheads said:
Despite the Sportline Plus representing the very upper echelon of the Superb range
But it's not though, is it?

The Laurin & Klement is top of the tree.

Nickbrapp

5,277 posts

130 months

Saturday 27th April 2019
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They really dropped the ball with the new XF, the last one was a looker but this one looks stupid especially from the rear, just square and rubbish. The superb is the better looking car, although we all know anyone not buying a SUV is going to buy a 5 series

AndyTR

517 posts

124 months

Saturday 27th April 2019
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Zumbruk said:
I *so* wanted an XFR-S Sportbrake, but they're like rocking horse poo (the last time I looked there was *one* on Auto Trader and it was a 700 mile round trip to go and look at it). What a pity this Jag has to make do with a 4 cylinder engine, no matter its power output. Oh, well. Can't have everything. Where would you keep it?
+1 - for the same money I'd have this https://www.pistonheads.com/classifieds/used-cars/...

LuS1fer

41,135 posts

245 months

Saturday 27th April 2019
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The Jag looks so much better and I do like that blue above.

Iamnotkloot

1,426 posts

147 months

Saturday 27th April 2019
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Somewhere looks just have to come into it and the Skoda is stone cold ugly. The Jag, on the other hand, is a lovely looking thing.
That’s gotta count a bit, hasn’t it?

stevemcs

8,665 posts

93 months

Saturday 27th April 2019
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38k on a Skoda .... no thanks.

CDP

7,459 posts

254 months

Saturday 27th April 2019
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Iamnotkloot said:
Somewhere looks just have to come into it and the Skoda is stone cold ugly. The Jag, on the other hand, is a lovely looking thing.
That’s gotta count a bit, hasn’t it?
I wouldn't describe the Skoda as ugly by any means, quite hansom in some ways. Just not worth 38K.

legless

1,692 posts

140 months

Saturday 27th April 2019
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I get a new VW Group car every 4 months on my car scheme. I tend to cover 6-8,000 miles in each car.

I've had pretty much all of the current range Golf-sized and higher, the only exceptions being the A8, Q8 and R8.

If I had to buy any of them with my own money, and even if they were all the same price, I'd buy a Superb L&K 272 estate. They're that good.

Sure, something like an A6 50TDI (I've got one at the moment) is more refined, has a slightly fancier interior and a nicer gearbox, but it's also smaller inside, has a worse level of kit and doesn't ride as comfortably. It's also over £10k more to buy and people don't let you out of junctions.


Tim16V

419 posts

182 months

Saturday 27th April 2019
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Nice gushing PH Skoda/VAG advert again - the car is apparently just about perfect!

Apart, of course, from the fact that it's absurdly expensive at £38k and boring - rather fundamental.

Wills2

22,819 posts

175 months

Saturday 27th April 2019
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The Jaguar just on its looks alone compared to the frumpy Skoda.


liner33

10,690 posts

202 months

Saturday 27th April 2019
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Having owned a Skoda Superb and a Jag XF , I would own another Superb , but never another Jag , but agree with the other £38k+ on a Skoda is too much imo but the days of high quality Jags are gone also so I dont think they are good value for money either