RE: Toyota plots WEC hypercar entrant

RE: Toyota plots WEC hypercar entrant

Monday 17th June 2019

Toyota plots WEC hypercar entrant | Update!

Gazoo Racing hints at what it will bring to the Valkyrie fight in 2020...



Ahead of the 24 Hours of Le Mans race, World Endurance Championship leader Toyota Gazoo Racing confirmed its intentions to race in the series’ all-new hypercar class when it’s introduced from September 2020. Following Aston Martin’s announcement that it’ll field a pair of racing Valkyries in the same class, Toyota says it will use a “hybrid-powered prototype based on the GR Super Sport road car”, which it teased last year with the heart of the TS050 LMP1 racer, for the future season.

Following the final LMP1-fronted championship, the present prototype racers will be swapped for road-based machines to create a class many have already labelled as a successor to the legendary GT1 category. It’ll almost certainly see a reduction in overall pace, but today’s P1 category hasn’t exactly been hot with competition since Porsche dropped out. The birth of a hypercar class will therefore not just give the WEC’s top category a much-needed revamp, it should also create a stage on which Toyota can finally beat other manufacturer-backed entrants at Le Mans. Something it should have done on that fateful day three years ago.

 

Toyota said track testing of its GR Super Sport-based racer will begin at the start of next year; although it released a video of its CEO Akio Toyoda driving the prototype over the weekend. Much appears similar to today’s TS050 – the wraparound windscreen and central fin look near identical, for example – but today’s Toyota clearly sports the tighter, more naturally athletic shape – no surprise given the vastly contrasted beginnings of a thoroughbred competition machine and race-adapted road car.

For now, though, the WEC, Toyota and many of us can hope to see more manufacturers announcing their entry into the hypercar category. With two significant brands already confirmed, you might imagine a few more will be tempted over; Christian von Koenigsegg has repeatedly hinted at an interest to join the class, although McLaren and Ferrari stopped going to WEC meetings last year, suggesting their focus will remain on Formula 1. Still, there’s nothing stopping a privateer developing their own versions of those brands’ hypercars. Rest assured we’re working on growing that EnduroKA budget…

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Antj

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1,047 posts

200 months

Friday 14th June 2019
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This class has Glykenhaus written all over it

Krikkit

26,527 posts

181 months

Friday 14th June 2019
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Antj said:
This class has Glykenhaus written all over it
That's the idea - Ferrari and Lamborghini both canned their GTE projects ready, we've already got Aston, I'd be amazed if we don't see Mercedes put something based on the project one in.

In fact Renault might have a crack as the F1 engine will be easy to modify to fit into these cars.

Felix79

121 posts

65 months

Friday 14th June 2019
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Krikkit said:
That's the idea - Ferrari and Lamborghini both canned their GTE projects ready, we've already got Aston, I'd be amazed if we don't see Mercedes put something based on the project one in.

In fact Renault might have a crack as the F1 engine will be easy to modify to fit into these cars.
Renault could develop the R.S 01 into the new category. Swap out the Nissan GTR engine and put their F1 engine in and you would have one hell of a beast on your hands.

That Toyota looks like it's just their LMP1 car, with a different body shell moulded on top.

Harry_523

355 posts

99 months

Friday 14th June 2019
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wonder if this has anything to do with that wide arch LFA mule seen at the ring recently idea

vz-r_dave

3,469 posts

218 months

Friday 14th June 2019
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Felix79 said:
Krikkit said:
That's the idea - Ferrari and Lamborghini both canned their GTE projects ready, we've already got Aston, I'd be amazed if we don't see Mercedes put something based on the project one in.

In fact Renault might have a crack as the F1 engine will be easy to modify to fit into these cars.
Renault could develop the R.S 01 into the new category. Swap out the Nissan GTR engine and put their F1 engine in and you would have one hell of a beast on your hands.

That Toyota looks like it's just their LMP1 car, with a different body shell moulded on top.
Its a fair bit different, there are other articles with pictures of the white one linked here. Its a fantastic looking thing tbh.

https://jalopnik.com/looks-like-toyota-just-brough...

GingerPixel

92 posts

146 months

Saturday 15th June 2019
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Krikkit said:
Antj said:
This class has Glykenhaus written all over it
That's the idea - Ferrari and Lamborghini both canned their GTE projects ready, we've already got Aston, I'd be amazed if we don't see Mercedes put something based on the project one in.

In fact Renault might have a crack as the F1 engine will be easy to modify to fit into these cars.
Lambo have never had a GTE car, and the 488 GTE will carry on until it's replaced by whatever replaces the 488.

Overall though, it's an exciting development for endurance racing but not without its issues. The rest of the field will all need slowing down considerably to match the hypercars. Glickenhaus and byKolles are already committed to building cars, and I'd really like to see koenigsegg have a crack.

DanielSan

18,793 posts

167 months

Saturday 15th June 2019
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Even if there's only a few made, it would be good to see Toyota do a few road cars. Go fully back to the 90's era GT1 style of racing.

Nerdherder

1,773 posts

97 months

Saturday 15th June 2019
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EnduroKA EVO? laugh



Really hoping that this class will attract al the players already mentioned!

Nerdherder

1,773 posts

97 months

Saturday 15th June 2019
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Nerdherder said:
EnduroKA EVO? laugh



Really hoping that this class will attract the players already mentioned!

cidered77

1,626 posts

197 months

Monday 17th June 2019
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Certainly "looks" a lot closer to the 3:30 target lap time than the current very 3:15 lap-time looking TS050....

Which means they'll need to slow down LMP2, which is a bit of a shame; P2 are wonderful cars, great sounding, and driving standards even at much faster pace and silver grade drivers were fine. Wonder if its really beyond the wit of man to have more road-themed cars, lower costs, but not take a such backwards step in pace. Watching the current P1s blast through the Porsche curves I could (and have!) watch all night...

B17NNS

18,506 posts

247 months

Tuesday 18th June 2019
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Concept looks epic. What do we reckon they’ll base it on? 8 series convertible?

RuntyMuz

33 posts

161 months

Tuesday 18th June 2019
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Sadly, I don't see the point?

We'll start with some current 'hypercars' then within 2 years specialist build race cars that someone sticks a number plate on (picture a Porsche 919 evo with a price-tag on the windscreen and numberplate sticker) doesn't make than a hyper-road car.

I think GT3 cars are already as sensibly removed from reality (Senna vs 650GT3 @ Silverstone = -7secs) as practical, but they are still easily identifiable, which is why is as popular as it is.

The new category will result in the same GT1/prototype issues all over again... Minimal brand recognition from esoteric race car silhouettes.

Additionally, you can't base racing rules that include subjective goals ("aerodynamics cannot take precedence over aesthetics"), engineers are far too clever and will always push the boundary for what is possible.


Krikkit

26,527 posts

181 months

Tuesday 18th June 2019
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BoP will help them balance out the class, they didn't apply that to GT1 which was why it failed.

That's also why they're allowing both modified road and track cars and custom built prototypes.

The target lap of a minimum of 3:30 will probably be dragged up, but you're right that they'll need to slow LMP2 down slightly, they might just add a bit of ballast and have Gibson turn the engine down a smidge. The racing should still be close, but I hope they don't spoil it as you're right in how good it is.

GingerPixel said:
Lambo have never had a GTE car, and the 488 GTE will carry on until it's replaced by whatever replaces the 488.

Overall though, it's an exciting development for endurance racing but not without its issues. The rest of the field will all need slowing down considerably to match the hypercars. Glickenhaus and byKolles are already committed to building cars, and I'd really like to see koenigsegg have a crack.
Lambo had a Huracan GTE under development until mid last year, they already have a GT3, so they had a base to work with... I know they're not the same btw.

Edited by Krikkit on Tuesday 18th June 07:51

cidered77

1,626 posts

197 months

Tuesday 18th June 2019
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RuntyMuz said:
Sadly, I don't see the point?

We'll start with some current 'hypercars' then within 2 years specialist build race cars that someone sticks a number plate on (picture a Porsche 919 evo with a price-tag on the windscreen and numberplate sticker) doesn't make than a hyper-road car.

I think GT3 cars are already as sensibly removed from reality (Senna vs 650GT3 @ Silverstone = -7secs) as practical, but they are still easily identifiable, which is why is as popular as it is.

The new category will result in the same GT1/prototype issues all over again... Minimal brand recognition from esoteric race car silhouettes.

Additionally, you can't base racing rules that include subjective goals ("aerodynamics cannot take precedence over aesthetics"), engineers are far too clever and will always push the boundary for what is possible.
it's not GT1 - and these will not be road cars adapted, they will be specialist race cars from the start adapted to look like hypercars. In the same way as a DTM car or a GT500 Japanese GT car may look like an Audi/Nissan, etc - but it's just a silhouette shape.

The "point" is a noble one: get more manufacturers into Le Mans, and get the show going again. Toyota on their own isn't interesting. It's done through combination of more road "looking" cars so better for marketing, and ,much lower costs. Sadly the costs also partly managed through Balance of Performance, which is a shame for the top class. But needs must.

GT1 wasn't BoP'd, and had much more specific rules about them being road cars. Very different intent here.

My concern as said elsewhere is just on the speed of these things: they dont look LMP1-fast, and the target of 3:30 per lap has been mentioned. And that it would be a shame slowing down the 2nd class... else LMP2 as it stands would out-qualify them by 5 seconds!



bobo79

296 posts

149 months

Wednesday 19th June 2019
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Worth pointing out the 3:30 laptime is the target for the race, not qualifying (so ten seconds not 15 seconds slower). Plus they will be a bit quicker than the target (they always are) so I'd assume quali laps will be circa 3:22-3:24. Hardly a disaster. Take 50bhp off the LMP2 and GTEs and job done.